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Thanks for those posts. I agree with those points as they are extremely valid, articulate, and irrefutable. We definitely should plan the future with an awareness of technological innovation and the likely progression of population and environmental changes. The "fuel" that runs New York hasn't changed since the area was first settled in. I think that some people protest against the same progression and risk that has defined New York for them, or in other words, are protesting (NIMBYism) for an idea that couldn't have existed without the progression and risk involved with being aware of the future (Example: Empire State Building). Quite ironic, really.
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The problem with the NIMBYs is that they aren't for historic preservation, they're just reflexively against any and all change.

This development site is a perfect example. The nicest looking building on the site, by far, is 29 W.57 Street, but the NIMBYs were all fixated on the Rizzoli bookstore site. Rizzoli totally remodeled that building in the 80's, so you're basically asking that a 1980's building be protected, which is absurd.

Then they conflated protection of a building with protection of a business, which makes no sense whatsoever.

In any case, while there is often some loss of historic fabric when you build a new building, it's necessary for NYC to thrive and grow. I just hope that whatever is built is spectacular and worthy of the prime site. Given the location, I'm sure our standards are high (top architect, supertall, and landmark-quality design).
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The problem with the NIMBYs is that they aren't for historic preservation, they're just reflexively against any and all change.

That's true as well. Take for instance a building like the Tower Verre. As much of a future icon/landmark that tower will be, the NIMBYs fought with all their might against it. The building could have been half the original height, but because it had to go through the city's ULURP process, they sought to stop it, and made enough noise that we ultimately saw a head chop (though Burden insists the top needed more work).

That's not to say there aren't treasures in New York that should be saved, but instinctively insisting everything that gets demolished is worth saving just because is just another cover for NIMBYism.

And then there is this crowd, who somehow think multi-million dollar penthouses in the sky are a bad thing for the city. I find this article laughable and insulting.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/13/ny...here.html?_r=0

Rizzoli Bookstore May Be Better Off Elsewhere

APRIL 11, 2014
By GINIA BELLAFANTE



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On Wednesday afternoon, two days before its scheduled closing, Rizzoli Bookstore was crowded with the sort of people who, never especially populous in Midtown Manhattan, appear even more like icicles in the desert: gray-haired women with Mohawks or turbans, students, men with indifferent facial grooming, older citizens. Some of them did not know that the building, which has housed the bookstore on West 57th Street for the past 29 years, was slated to be demolished, along with two adjoining buildings. When they were told by a salesperson they expressed the requisite shock and lament.

Rizzoli is above all a beautiful place to shop for very rarefied things, but the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission has deemed the building, over 100 years old, inadequately significant to keep in perpetuity. This has prompted outrage in various forms. A petition asking the commission to reverse its decision bears more than 16,000 signatures. In early April, the Manhattan borough president, Gale Brewer, led a rally outside the store demanding that the entire landmarks process undergo reform. “We must avoid more Rizzoli-like ambushes on our history,” she proclaimed.

Another demonstration by members of the local community board was planned for the morning of the store’s closing to decry the broader encroachments of rapid superluxury development along 57th Street.

The most visible legacy of the Bloomberg era surely will be the slender, glass and steel residential towers now going up 70, 80 and 90 stories over this reach of Midtown. In all likelihood it is one of these buildings that will eventually stand in Rizzoli’s place, a building intended to lure the wealthiest internationalists, who will rotate in and out of the city from Singapore, São Paulo, Mumbai, never staying long enough to pay local income taxes and turning the area, essentially, into the world’s costliest time-share.

Ironically, One57, perhaps the most audacious of these projects, lists Rizzoli on its website as among the area’s attractions, alongside the restaurants Daniel and Petrossian and the jewelers Bulgari and Van Cleef & Arpels.

The story of Rizzoli’s exit from Midtown is obviously not the narrative of a mom-and-pop operation shut down by corporatized mass-market interests. Although it would have been unthinkable in the 1990s, we mourn now even the diminished presence of Barnes & Noble in the city, to the extent that it signals the displacement of a cultural elite (a term itself so benighted) at the hands of an aggressively colonizing plutocracy. Among the books being sold at a 40 percent discount at Rizzoli on Wednesday was a mammoth compendium devoted to the work of the Italian architect and designer Gio Ponti. A decade ago, a familiarity with his work might have bestowed on one a certain status. Today it seems to matter little knowing who Gio Ponti was unless you can afford a $35,000 Gio Ponti chandelier. Cash is the only currency.

Rizzoli is owned by an Italian media conglomerate, which plans to relocate the store in Manhattan. The Rizzoli company was founded in the early 20th century by Angelo Rizzoli, who was orphaned at a young age and went on to make a fortune as a printer, publisher and producer of the sort of postwar Italian films shown in the sort of movie houses that have also vanished from New York. Like the oligarchs of the 21st century he had his vision set on the city’s most glamorous real estate and in accordance, the first Rizzoli store here opened at 712 Fifth Avenue in the 1960s.

Wherever the new Rizzoli lands it will be karmically better off away from the global epicenter of $90 million penthouses, renderings of which seldom seem to include a single bookshelf or any indications of a settled life. (When I visited Rizzoli I was moved to buy a book, “New York Interior Design 1935-1985: Masters of Modernism,” in part to be reminded of what luxury really is, or was — layered surfaces, found objects, rich textures — rather than the acquisition of city views so imperial they’re meant to convince you the world belongs exclusively to you.) Rizzoli should be in a place where actual New Yorkers live and shop and read.

Nine years ago another fixture on West 57th, the Ritz Thrift Shop, a purveyor of used furs, also had to move. The owners set themselves up in the garment district where one of them, Jeffrey Geters, told me recently they’ve attracted a more serious shopper who, making the trip to a store nine floors up , arrives with a sense of purpose.

“When I was on 57th Street, people walked in and said, ‘How much is the sofa?’ ‘How much is the rug?’ They thought we sold everything because the word ‘thrift’ was in the name of the store,” Mr. Geters told me.

Had the store remained, no one would be coming in now looking for a bargain.


Meanwhile, somebody tell these idiots that once the air rights are gone, there will be no more towers.



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Locals Demand Protections for 57th Street on Rizzoli Bookstore's Last Day



State Sen. Liz Krueger at the Rizzoli Bookstore on its last day on West 57th Street.


By Mathew Katz
April 11, 2014


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As deal-hunting customers streamed in and out of the Rizzoli Bookstore on its last day, neighborhood activists and politicians said they fear its closure could lead to a "canyon of glass and steel towers" along 57th Street.

Preservationists and politicians failed in their efforts to protect the bookstore's historic building at 31 W. 57th St., which will likely be demolished. Opponents worry the building's owners, the Lefrak Family and the Vornado Realty Trust, will replace it with a tower that will cast a long shadow over Central Park.


"These buildings will be demolished to make way for glass and steel towers," said Community Board 5 Landmarks Committee Chairwoman Layla Law-Gisiko at a Friday morning rally outside the bookstore organized by the board. "CB5 is very much in favor of development, but development has to be curated."

The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission decided the building did not qualify for protection last month, and on Thursday LPC rejected another application to landmark just the building's interior since it was renovated when the bookstore moved into the former piano showroom in 1985.

"Our review concluded that because there are few remaining elements from the piano showroom era, particularly in comparison with other intact interior landmark spaces like the Steinway Piano showroom on West 57th Street, the site no longer retains the integrity of its original design, and the ca. 1985 redesign of the space does not rise to the level of an interior designation," the commission said in a statement Thursday.

On Friday morning, Community Board 5 members, joined by state Sen. Liz Krueger, called for reforms to the landmarking process and zoning changes that would protect other buildings along 57th Street, including the neighboring Chickering Building, which is also owned by Lefrak and Vornado and likely faces demolition, and the Cavalry Baptist Church.

"There won't be anything left to love if we don't stop this kind of development," Krueger said. "It's a sad day because we've already lost this one."

LeFrak and Vornado have said they plan to demolish the Rizzoli Bookstore building but they have not disclosed their plans for the site.

The store was buzzing Friday morning with buyers hoping to scoop up books at 40 percent off. The bookstore is known for hard-to-find, oversized art and fashion tomes. The owners have said they will reopen at a yet-to-be-disclosed location.

"When I was a kid, I'd come in here every weekend and look at the art books," said Miles Ladin, 45, who attended the rally and wanted to take one last look at Rizzoli before it closed. "These books aren't really at Barnes & Noble — we're really losing something."
Somebody tell that last moron that the store is moving, not falling off the face of the earth.
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It’s Leaving 57th Street, but Rizzoli Bookstore Vows Sequel





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At Rizzoli, a spokeswoman for the building’s owners said the bookstore had known for three years that the lease would expire.
The spokeswoman, who represents the LeFrak real estate family and Vornado Realty Trust, did not say what would replace Rizzoli
but said that “current plans do not call for a condominium on the site.”

The owners recently told Rizzoli that it was going to tear down the bookstore’s building, as well as two adjoining buildings.

A spokeswoman for Rizzoli, Pam Sommers, promised that the store would relocate. “We don’t have a property,” she said, “but we are
actively looking, and we are definitely reopening.” She said the field had been narrowed to “several interesting properties,” but added,
“We are not in a position yet to say where the short list is, because, you know, these things are in New York.”


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Dubai on 57th street!!! Welcome to hell!!! Think of the children!!! Central park will be ruined! Developers are going to sacrifice humans to satan in return for additional air rights!!!
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Demolition freeze may cover 80% of the city
Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer's bid to protect buildings over age 50 frightens developers, construction unions and housing activists



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A politician's proposal to protect the thousands of older buildings in New York that face demolition each year has triggered a backlash not just among powerful developers, but also among construction unions and advocates for affordable housing who fear the measure could drastically curb residential construction in the city.

The storm began on April 4 at a protest outside the stately, likely-to-be-razed Rizzoli bookstore on West 57th Street, when Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer pledged to do more to prevent such losses in the future. She offered to introduce a bill that would require a 30-day review by the Landmarks Preservation Commission of any demolition permit filed for a building over 50 years old. The measure would apply to nearly 80% of the city's structures and 91% of those in Manhattan, according to city data.

"We'll see what we end up with—it's possible we could go older than 50 years," Ms. Brewer allowed in a follow-up email responding to a question from Crain's. She said she has invited the Real Estate Board of New York and the Landmarks Conservancy to sit down with her and discuss the proposal, which is still being written.

Even extending the threshold age to 80 years, however, would still mean that the law would cover more than half the buildings in the city—and going back a century would still put more than half of Manhattan's properties in the group to be reviewed.

Aging structures

Number of buildings constructed before 1965, and percentage of total buildings

New York City
654,420 (80%)

Manhattan
37,157 (91%)

Brooklyn
233,828 (88%)

Queens
272,020 (87%)

Bronx
66,190 (79%)

Staten Island
45,225 (40%)


Automatically bringing that many buildings under the purview of Landmarks, which would have the power to halt construction, has members of the development community—including Richard Anderson, president of the New York Building Congress—worried. He notes many buildings with zero historical significance would be brought into the fold, potentially slowing down one of the city's key economic engines—construction.

"Generally, replacement buildings are an improvement, but if an existing structure should be considered a landmark, we have a process for that," Mr. Anderson said. "To put everything under a blanket review—I don't see the basis to do that."

Nonetheless, with a new, progressive administration in office in the city, Mr. Anderson and others are taking the proposal seriously. In part, that is because Ms. Brewer is a savvy and active politician with a track record of focusing on housing and tenant issues. In fact, in 2004, when Ms. Brewer represented the Upper West Side in the City Council, she signed on to a similar piece of legislation that made its way through several hearings but didn't pass. Among the outspoken opponents of that measure was Landmarks itself, which cited sheer logistics.

...A source in the City Council predicted that because of its sheer breadth, Ms. Brewer's proposal would be unlikely to gain traction, but noted it highlights the frustration felt on both sides of the debate about the way the landmarking process in New York plays out. In fact, part of her proposal aims to fix a common complaint about the commission: the lack of a standardized time frame for case hearings.
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My gosh, I new NYC had a lot of old buildings but never really thought about til I saw these numbers.
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My gosh, I new NYC had a lot of old buildings but never really thought about til I saw these numbers.
It's a city of old buildings, heavily developed.
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Rizzoli Bookstore makes its final sales and gets boarded up as the farewell party still goes on inside.

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Please take a moment and watch that video starting at 2:50. Witness Al Smith describe the necessity of progress in reference to demolish the Waldorf Astoria in order to build the Empire State Building. Preserve the most beautiful but do not let the past prevent the future! Fascinating!
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...do not let the past prevent the future! Fascinating!
That's it.
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The storm began on April 4 at a protest outside the stately, likely-to-be-razed Rizzoli bookstore on West 57th Street, when Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer pledged to do more to prevent such losses in the future. She offered to introduce a bill that would require a 30-day review by the Landmarks Preservation Commission of any demolition permit filed for a building over 50 years old. The measure would apply to nearly 80% of the city's structures and 91% of those in Manhattan, according to city data.
Oh good lord. You mean to tell me that there'd be 30-day landmark review for anything that was built in that Golden Age of architecture - the early 1960s? And within a decade, you'd be talking about landmarking stuff from the mid-70s...
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What, no more protesters?

I think they will probably hold back on revealing any plans for the site until sometime next year. Vornado needs to kick off 220 CPS.
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No demo permits filed yet, but it's likely only a matter of time...


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The Tyranny of the Glass Boxes


By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
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One57, the luxury condominium skyscraper under development just south of Central Park, lists several neighborhood attractions on its website. Among them is the Rizzoli Bookstore, which for decades operated out of a roughly 100-year-old neo-French Classical townhouse at 31 West 57th Street.

But One57’s residents will never have the pleasure of admiring the building, because it’s slated for demolition. Rizzoli’s last day was April 11. Instead of a Diocletian window, pedestrians strolling by are now confronted with a construction shed.

This loss reflects serious shortcomings in New York City’s system for protecting culturally important sites. When the Vornado Realty Trust and the LeFrak Organization announced plans to raze 31 West 57 along with two adjacent properties a few months ago, activists petitioned the city’s Landmarks Preservation Commission to give the building landmark status. Community Board 5 had already voted unanimously for landmark designation in 2007. State Senator Liz Krueger; the Manhattan borough president, Gale Brewer; and the New York Landmarks Conservancy supported the measure as well. The commission said no.

The verdict is galling, as is the process that led to it. The commission never responded to the community board’s initial request and never held a public hearing. What’s worse is that this is not unusual. Commissioners are appointed by the mayor and, under Michael Bloomberg, were perceived as overly deferential to developers. In 2008, Judge Marilyn Shafer of the New York State Supreme Court ruled that the commission habitually acted in an “arbitrary and capricious” manner and ordered it to conduct business in a more timely fashion. An appellate court later reversed the decision because it found no harm to the petitioners, removing the commission’s legal incentive to change its ways.

Ms. Brewer has been trying to reform the landmark process for years. Earlier this month, she suggested requiring a 30-day landmark review of any building over 50 years old that was slated for demolition.

That seems impractical given that the commission is a small agency and that most of the city’s buildings were constructed before 1965. But she also offered two modest, eminently reasonable proposals: the commission should study remaining buildings on West 57th Street and “identify and landmark those that represent the best of their eras”; and “follow transparent and consistent time frames” in responding to future requests.

West 57th Street is the epicenter of the luxury glass-box boom, in which the lovely old buildings that give New York character are being replaced by bland monoliths. Given that the commission is often all that stands between a neighborhood icon and a wrecking ball, it needs, at the very least, to work on its response time.

This is completely ridiculous of course. No one ever mentions that these developments, and the buying up of air rights along the stretch means that smaller, older building will remain un-redeveloped.
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This is completely ridiculous of course. No one ever mentions that these developments, and the buying up of air rights along the stretch means that smaller, older building will remain un-redeveloped.

Does that really matter if the best of them get wiped out?

The monolithic uninspiring architecture replacing gems all around the city doesn't help either. It doesn't take an architecture enthusiast to recognize beauty vs bland in architecture.
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Does that really matter if the best of them get wiped out?

The monolithic uninspiring architecture replacing gems all around the city doesn't help either. It doesn't take an architecture enthusiast to recognize beauty vs bland in architecture.
Architects themselves seem to have the most trouble with this concept...

The thing is, the NIMBYs' greatest weapon is the poor quality of so much contemporary architecture. If so many developers weren't putting up "bland glass boxes" - if, though I know it is hard to imagine it, contemporary designs were actually better than many of the buildings they were replacing - then there wouldn't be such a sense of loss when these old buildings went.

Having said that, however, 57th street is kind of a curious example. 432 Park is awful, but I don't think One57 is a bland glass box, and the Steinway building looks fantastic. Much will be determined by how this site and Nordstrom turn out.
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Architects themselves seem to have the most trouble with this concept...

The thing is, the NIMBYs' greatest weapon is the poor quality of so much contemporary architecture. If so many developers weren't putting up "bland glass boxes" - if, though I know it is hard to imagine it, contemporary designs were actually better than many of the buildings they were replacing - then there wouldn't be such a sense of loss when these old buildings went.

Having said that, however, 57th street is kind of a curious example. 432 Park is awful, but I don't think One57 is a bland glass box, and the Steinway building looks fantastic. Much will be determined by how this site and Nordstrom turn out.
The twin towers were generally considered to be bland boxes, but I defy you to find a single New Yorker who didn't cherish them as part of the cities culture and identity, even before 9/11. If memory serves me correct, the ESB and Chrysler building were quite polarizing too, when they first debuted. Today they're some of the most celebrated buildings in the world (culturally and aesthetically).

432 Park will be one of those polarizing towers, no doubt. In some ways it adheres to more traditional design (it's a simple box) yet in others, it's quite unique (the massive windows, the exposed white concrete). I wouldn't call it awful - there is plenty of unquestionably awful architecture in the city so lets reserve such strong language for the bottom scraping towers of the 50's and 60's or anything penned by Gene Kauffman. While I don't think 432 will receive the warm welcome 111w 57th is almost guaranteed to get, 432 will become a major part of the cities identity. Go to Park Ave and take a look at how imposing it is on the skyline as it stands currently, then remember it has another 500 feet to rise. Love it or hate it, it will be thoroughly New York City when it's completed.

I think people forget just how dreadful many buildings in the city really are. Take a stroll by 425 Park, the architectural diarrhea set to be rebuilt next year. That is a terrible building. Go a few blocks south on Madison and take in the Double Tree hotel - it is a bleeping disaster. Walk by any one of the thousands of Robert Moses era housing developments; take note of their excrement-brown brick work and bargain basement facades. People complain about the quality of new buildings and while I agree that many could be better, they could also be far, far worse. More often than not, the old, cheap looking apartment complex or commercial building that gets torn down is replaced by something that most would agree is nicer, or at the very least, exudes a higher quality feel. Frankly, we should feel blessed that the general effort and quality that goes into designs today isn't like what went into buildings during the last boom (50's to 70's).
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The twin towers were generally considered to be bland boxes, but I defy you to find a single New Yorker who didn't cherish them as part of the cities culture and identity, even before 9/11. If memory serves me correct, the ESB and Chrysler building were quite polarizing too, when they first debuted. Today they're some of the most celebrated buildings in the world (culturally and aesthetically).

432 Park will be one of those polarizing towers, no doubt. In some ways it adheres to more traditional design (it's a simple box) yet in others, it's quite unique (the massive windows, the exposed white concrete). I wouldn't call it awful - there is plenty of unquestionably awful architecture in the city so lets reserve such strong language for the bottom scraping towers of the 50's and 60's or anything penned by Gene Kauffman. While I don't think 432 will receive the warm welcome 111w 57th is almost guaranteed to get, 432 will become a major part of the cities identity. Go to Park Ave and take a look at how imposing it is on the skyline as it stands currently, then remember it has another 500 feet to rise. Love it or hate it, it will be thoroughly New York City when it's completed.

I think people forget just how dreadful many buildings in the city really are. Take a stroll by 425 Park, the architectural diarrhea set to be rebuilt next year. That is a terrible building. Go a few blocks south on Madison and take in the Double Tree hotel - it is a bleeping disaster. Walk by any one of the thousands of Robert Moses era housing developments; take note of their excrement-brown brick work and bargain basement facades. People complain about the quality of new buildings and while I agree that many could be better, they could also be far, far worse. More often than not, the old, cheap looking apartment complex or commercial building that gets torn down is replaced by something that most would agree is nicer, or at the very least, exudes a higher quality feel. Frankly, we should feel blessed that the general effort and quality that goes into designs today isn't like what went into buildings during the last boom (50's to 70's).
We would all feel blessed if it was the 50s-70s era buildings being replaced instead of pre-War gems. I'm not satisfied with an attitude towards architecture of "it could be worse".
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