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Originally Posted by Marshal
Why do people, from time to time, love to parade their stupidity and bigotry in front of everyone. What do they get out of it, besides getting that hefty emotional release that comes with getting the pit of one's being laid bare?
Political correctness cuts both ways. It seems to give cover for white supremacists to label social movements as 'fads,' lynching and police murder as things to be 'offended' by, and to be outraged over paint thrown on a statue instead of the death of even a single person.
Sorry Klazu: you should have come out of the closet sooner. You and wifee looked so nice on your little outings. I was a little put off by your self-impressed records of cars and condos, but everyone needs their ego. But, lately? Well, your photos aren't worth your sheer idiocy: "Our society is regressing so fast." What a load of shit.
And Scryer, well your 'amen' to the above 'preacher' is hardly unexpected. Pile on, uneducated (degrees don't count) stupid people.
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This was all expected coming from the sheepy left... Do you have a checklist with you when you write these kinds of posts these days?
1. Parrot whatever the mainstream media is feeding you. CHECK.
2. Accuse "X" of racism for having a different view than what's being pushed by the mainstream media even though you never met them in real life? CHECK.
3. Express SJW outrage instead of opening a dialogue and a clear set of actions for change? CHECK.
4. Encourage the destruction of historical public property paid for by the tax-payers? CHECK.
5. Push a view with a narrative that it can't be challenged because otherwise you are labeled some sort of societal scourge? CHECK.
6. Focus on the problem and hurling insults; not develop a vision for a meaningful inclusive future? CHECK.
The Canada that
I know would learn from America's mistakes and become preemptive in working to improve conditions in social issues like police brutality and systemic racism. Where does the destruction of our history come into play when trying to better our society? Do you not understand that by destroying history and re-writing it to fit a certain narrative that we can no longer learn from the past? Do you not understand that the significance of statues, art, etc, as it stands in that period of time serves as a totem for a perspective that was being expressed at that time; and that if we erase that perspective then it can be repeated? History repeats itself if it is not learned and the blatant destruction of historical sites makes the rioters no better than the
ISIS/ISIL destruction and vandalism of various ancient historical sites around the world.
Now I know what you're going to say,
"you support Nazi memorabilia, duurr.." (and I would almost let you fall for that trap so that you can feel the steely guillotine of my reply to that bigoted comment) but I am not talking about protecting Nazi memorabilia rather I am talking about protecting a relevant part of Vancouver's history that shouldn't be forgotten or re-written. The colonization of Canada is as much a part of the history of the Native American tribes as it is a part of the history of the settlers.
Instead of encouraging violence and the destruction of property over an
American series of outrages, why don't you start at home by pushing for some of the following solutions/addressing the following Canadian social issues:
1. Hold the Liberal government accountable for not being able to make good on its promises to bring clean drinking water to native reserves in CANADA since 2014.
Autumn Peltier spoke to the goddamn UN about the state of native reserves in Canada. You'll tear down statues and historic landmarks for police brutality in America
(where it honestly is NOT near as bad as it is here) but you don't have any room in your heart for outrage for the many native communities that go WITHOUT drinking water?! These reserves have been scraping by for DECADES without a basic. Human. Right. Want to talk about systemic racism - let's start there!
2. Hold all levels of government accountable for the massive amount of missing indigenous girls and women in Canada. In 2019 the
National Inquiry on Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and girls found that the acts of violence constituted itself to be a
genocide - and yet you AREN'T outraged over that issue?
3. Push for further support and investments in our more northern communities and indigenous reserves. Northern communities are continually cut off from the southern population. We can start with better road access and improved healthcare facilities that have state-of-the-art medical equipment. The lack of access and economic investments to the north is indeed a form of systemic racism. There is also quite a bit of underreported violence that goes on up north.
A good example of government neglect that comes to mind is that in Churchill MB the provincial government neglected a railroad there which is now defunct. Because there isn't a road built to Churchill, you can only get there by boat or plane. I bring this example up because MB's bad judgement
reflects upon the country as a whole from the outside looking in.
4. Hold PM Trudeau accountable for wearing black face. If he had any sense of honour or solvency, he would have stepped down and allowed his Deputy Prime Minister to finish his term.
I'm not sure if this is politically possible but when you've lost count as to how many times you wore black face in your life then you gotta do something better than apologize to a couple of black kids on TV. IJS it's embarrassing to desire to live in a place where you are valued for your merit (rather than the colour of your skin) when you have JT putting a banana down his pants more than once and then can't remember how many times he has done it. It's DISGUSTING that there isn't public outrage for that!
5. Push for Police transparency. Body-cams on EVERY officer with the footage being uploaded on a public website operated independently from the police. The media will have a hard time trying to spin a story when the full arrest is uploaded in an accessible place.
Whether accessibility to the footage is a breach of privacy is another issue for another post.
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Originally Posted by MonctonRad
The police have a very tough job to perform, and we should respect their efforts in maintaining a civil society, but the police should not be the first line responder to situations where criminality is not the first intent. For the mentally ill, the vulnerable, the panhandlers, vagrants and the homeless, there should be a rapid response social work team instead, who could work with police back-up in potentially threatening or hostile situations. This would be far more appropriate, and would save lives.
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I stole this from the racism thread but I definitely think that it could be worth a try? It's at least a solution being put forth to better enforce law and order with a social task force of some kind.
You can continue discussion on this aspect here. I'm just copying it over here since it could be a really great idea if executed well.
The current destruction and rampant vandalism is barbaric without reason because none of these
Canadian issues are getting solved or even getting pushed. A lot of this violence comes from people piggy-backing off of the horrific events that has happened in the states. The mainstream media just repeats that these riots are being held in solidarity with what has happened in the States - which I understand but what I don't understand is that
our systemic racism issues aren't being addressed during ANY of this outrage.
Is there a problem with police brutality? Yes. But not to the American extent (any extent is bad really). But no one is fighting for a real solution for Canada's police brutality. Defunding the police is asinine because if you defund the police then you are directly funding vigilante justice.
And trust me: you would rather want to see a badge than to have to stare into the cold black iron eyes of a shotgun. But I digress... My point is that the blind outrage is trumping any intellectual discussion where solutions can be legitimately tabled.
Will destroying statues and landmarks make things better? No. Especially when we have bigger racial issues to iron out. If anything, why not build statues right beside George Vancouver and Lord Stanley to balance perspectives? It would be much more educational that way, pleasant for EVERYONE, and a step in the right direction for further reconciliation. Last I checked those guys weren't Hitler or Stalin... and the fucking Steam Clock was anything but a dictator!
So that you don't get it twisted...
People have a right to protest and I support peaceful protests.
What I don't support is meaningless violence - which this is: I have yet to see any specific Canadian issues being at the forefront of these attacks (nevermind benefitting from them) like I described above. There was also no natural build up to the violent Canadian outrage either; as soon as things were set off in the states, Canada pretty much started getting violent in blind-solidarity without valuing Canadian issues over American issues.
And lastly I do understand that there is a difference between rioters and protestors. I have clearly seen examples of
both during these disturbing times.
I normally don't participate in these bullshit vapid political discussions over obvious observations but hey, this was good to just get out of my system. I've probably been quoted on this but I thought I would re-word that part of my post since I honestly don't plan to come back to this thread: I don't typically visit this forum for political discussions, I visit it on the merit that it is quite informative with city development topics that I prefer to stick to. Me "gracing" this thread with my appearance was a rare one and probably one of the last times I'll do it until after November 2020.
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I think this is a carry-over of the Politically-Correct-White-Guilt-Trip-Chic Syndrome. It is fashionable (and therefore desirable to be seen that way by their peers) right now.
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