Joyce-Collingwood Station review

jlousa · #1 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 3:30 AM**

As some of you are familiar, (A couple members have even attended the open houses which is a nice change) the city has been working on changes to the area immediately around Joyce station. With the amount of comments on here over the years about the lack of density around Vancouver's stations... This is your chance to let the city know what you think. Doing so will go a long way to paving what will eventually happen around other stations (ie 29th and Nanaimo) Take a couple of minutes to look over the latest presentation boards and then take the questionnaire to share your thoughts with the city.

Background (1-7)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/joyce-...background.pdf

Options (8-14)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/joyce-...14-options.pdf

Transportation (15-18)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/joyce-...sportation.pdf

Amenities (19)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/joyce-...-amenities.pdf

Process (20)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/joyce-...20-process.pdf

Questionnaire
https://www.talkvancouver.com/R.aspx...&as=O6tS8Tk6fi

Jebby · #2 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 5:37 AM**

Option 3 gets my vote.

officedweller · #3 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 9:49 AM**

Uhhh.... So Downtown Vancouver is a "Regional Town Centre"?!?

GeeCee · #4 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 4:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by officedweller

Uhhh.... So Downtown Vancouver is a "Regional Town Centre"?!?

Yes. It's one of the Town Centres defined in the Livable Region Strategic Plan. It doesn't matter if it's in a city (as I believe they all are, by now) or town or village.

logicbomb · #5 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 5:11 PM**

Already seeing plans for numerous "anti-gentrification" protests from those in the neighborhood. The irony here is that the neighborhood had "working-class" roots and residents where the beneficiaries of rezoning and development circa 1995. Bring on the new Collingwood!

twoNeurons · #6 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 5:21 PM**

This looks like it could be a fantastic area to buy a condo to rent out in eventually. Single bus to UBC. A few minutes from downtown. Great views atop the hill. Easy access to Central Park and Metrotown. Good road connections to Boundary, Richmond, Hwy #1.

Prometheus · #7 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 6:06 PM**

The home owners should be the ones leading a crusade for the greatest possible increase in density, since they stand to make millions from an ambitious rezoning.

osirisboy · #8 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 6:51 PM**

Yeah it's funny how the home owners are against high densities since they will benefit the most. Although I'm sure the ones against are the most vocal. Pretty selfish of them.

Vin · #9 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 6:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Prometheus

The home owners should be the ones leading a crusade for the greatest possible increase in density, since they stand to make millions from an ambitious rezoning.

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Yeah it's funny how the home owners are against high densities since they will benefit the most. Although I'm sure the ones against are the most vocal. Pretty selfish of them.

There could be many tenants renting around that area fearing eviction. You know, the rich folks that own many properties, especially around major transit routes, do not necessarily need to be close to transit corridors. The vocal ones against high density developments are probably long-time lower-income tenants.

SFUVancouver · #10 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 7:33 PM**

Thanks for the link to the City's public consultation process. I've made my opinion known and voiced support for Option 3.

officedweller · #11 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 7:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by GeeCee

Yes. It's one of the Town Centres defined in the Livable Region Strategic Plan. It doesn't matter if it's in a city (as I believe they all are, by now) or town or village.

There's a hierarchy - and "Regional Town Centre" isn't accurate for downtown - it's the "Metropolitan Core".
Sounds like the CoV isn't acknowledging its role in the region.

It's also out of date as the terminology has changed under the Regional Growth Strategy (versus the former LRSP).

Map from the LRSP:

http://www.metrovancouver.org/services/regional-planning/PlanningPublications/LRSP.pdf#search="LRSP"

Here's the map from the Regional Growth Strategy.
You'll note that "Regional Town Centre" is now "Regional City Centre", while "Municipal Town Centre" remains the same.

http://www.metrovancouver.org/servic...yGVRDBoard.pdf

logan5 · #12 Posted **Oct 30, 2015, 10:46 PM**

Did I miss something? Options 2 and 3 looked identical for the sub-areas.

Vonny · #13 Posted **Oct 31, 2015, 8:34 AM**

Notice there is a 3d model of the proposed Joyce "precinct" rezoning on the 3dwarehouse.sketchup.com site. You can directly download the .kmz file into GoogleEarth) from which you can generate some views such as below

An aerial view:

A view from the Kingsway#Tyne Safeway:

A view from Patterson station area (from the top of to be built high rise in this area, or Willingdon#Kingsway...suddenly WC central Park doesn't look that big

or closer from the top of the Wall centre Central Park
(the floor plate of the new towers could be bigger if the 5050 Joyce application set a precedent)

quobobo · #14 Posted **Oct 31, 2015, 10:17 AM**

Thanks jlousa! I submitted my feedback in favour of option 3.

Nice to see that they'll be calming or closing Vanness west of the station. I didn't have an opinion on closing the lanes off Joyce just north of the station.

casper · #15 Posted **Nov 1, 2015, 4:59 PM**

Once they get this done. The next step would be to look at Rupert and rezone that street 4-5 story.

osirisboy · #16 Posted **Nov 1, 2015, 6:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by casper

Once they get this done. The next step would be to look at Rupert and rezone that street 4-5 story.

They need to start to respone so many areas in this city. The city is so concerned about creating more housing ie tearing down the viaducts. How about instead trying to get rid of all these sfh

bardak · #17 Posted **Nov 1, 2015, 6:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

They need to start to respone so many areas in this city. The city is so concerned about creating more housing ie tearing down the viaducts. How about instead trying to get rid of all these sfh

Unfortunately people in the sfh vote more than anyone else.

quobobo · #18 Posted **Nov 1, 2015, 8:23 PM**

^I think there's some hope on that front, though. Only 18% of Vancouverites live in single-family homes, and that percentage is probably dropping:

Those numbers aren't net of demolitions, but they are fairly suggestive.

osirisboy · #19 Posted **Nov 1, 2015, 8:59 PM**

Interesting chart. Thx! Although the number of sfh being built aren't declining at all? It's higher than it was 10 years ago? I guess includes tearing down old houses and building two in its place etc

LeftCoaster · #20 Posted **Nov 18, 2015, 10:34 PM**

I took the survey and pushed for option 3, for the obvious reason of it providing the most density around a main line transit station.

In the final comments I as well added that the "transition zones" should be increased to more than just 2 blocks from the station, as having SFH a 2 minute walk from a transit station, as even option 3 proposes, is just ridiculous.