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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
If it wasn't a fire, it would've been something else, just like the Burrard Molson. We can save the small-scale industries, but many of the factories and foundries and mills are eventually going to leave or be pushed out.
Most likely, yes - what I'm saying is that two blocks =/= useless. It's enough for something Port Moody's size, and the town can always grow out as demand requires it to.
Yes with the rail spur. Unless Pacific Coast has been sharing all this time?
I was not aware that high density had to be right beside a SkyTrain (I trust that I don't need to drag any redevelopment into that particular point?), nor that Marine Gateway is "connected" to the station. Either the 800m SkyTrain catchment radius applies, or it does not.
The North Shore munis and Ioco are making the best of a bad situation, but Port Moody is in it for the money? ... I don't follow.
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...Molson shut down, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be anything else to take its place...at least if Concord didn't snatch it up. Same case with Flavelle.
With CANRON, the city owned the land. And there wasn't a industrial land crisis yet. And it's
False Creek. And then the Olympics came along, and that sealed its fate.
1. They can just
build a rail spur.
2. The industrial being built in areas like Campbell Heights don't have rail spurs either.
And no, the reason it's a money grab is multifold:
1. Port Moody NIMBYs care about their city becoming 'Metrotownified' more than anything. Flavelle isn't even supported much in Port Moody.
For instance, from a NIMBY article against the expansion of Moody Center:
https://metrovanwatch.wordpress.com/...ntre-bulletin/
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50% support for the “Oceanfront District” (currently Mill and Timber)
51% support for Moody Centre transit-oriented development
54% support for Inlet Centre transit-oriented development
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Supposedly from the Public Consultations when the Evergreen came in. Unfortunately, the links to the sources are dead due to age.
Logically therefore, the logical solution would be to
spread out density over the Moody Center corridor, like the Cambie Corridor plan did. But no, let's
fufill their fears instead for a 'waterfront district' that was only allowed once we asked multiple times to get Metro Van to change the zoning.
That are population doesn't want, and would be pissed about development no matter
where it is.
It's Fraser Mills, close to Skytrain. The North Shore munis (at
least 2 of them) actually
care about maintaining both industrial lands and densifying where it actually makes the most sense, rather than simply the easiest.
Ioco is actually Port Moody, and the current plan is to put a couple of SFHs on part of the property, with
no improvement in road infrastructure.(and this is a place where you
definitely need to put the horse before the cart!)
My point with those places is that industrial land is developed on the RGS... (and should be) if either:
1. It's a town center (this is really only sometimes though)- due to town centers requiring "mass" that may not be able to be provided on just residential and commercial lots- especially Brentwood and Richmond.
2. It's
right next to a Skytrain station- as in right across the street or touching. (Braid-Amazon, Saputo, Brewery District, Marine Drive)- Scott Road is the closest to being far from its Skytrain station, but the furthest
that FTDA goes is 500m out- for Flavelle, it's a km. And part of the reason for its existence seems to be the proposed Surrey Stadium.
Flavelle is the odd one out, isn't even part of an FTDA (not that important in reality, but still) and only happened because Port Moody council kept demanding it happen. So metro Van eventually folded.
Not even TOL was as aggressive with Carvolth. They gave up and are building it out like the Flats instead.