Climate change predicted to transform Vancouver into San Diego, but at a heavy cost

[Vin]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

The first page of this thread is a real read, how people are downplaying forest fires and even stating forest fires weren't big enough back then. I wonder how they feel now, if forest fires should be even bigger than they are now.

I think many will keep denying it just to continue with their lavish lifestyles. There will always be the deniers around who refuse to acknowledge the impact of climate change until they are physically burnt or lose loved ones. Such is human nature.

[jollyburger]

What a load of BS. Metro-One's opinion seems pretty balanced if that's what you are referring to.

[Black Star]

Originally Posted by CanSpice

The first page of this thread is a real read, how people are downplaying forest fires and even stating forest fires weren't big enough back then. I wonder how they feel now, if forest fires should be even bigger than they are now.

650 forest fires this year in Alberta....500 were caused by humans. Look it up.

[mcj]

Originally Posted by Black Star

650 forest fires this year in Alberta....500 were caused by humans. Look it up.

Why don't you provide a source?

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Black Star

650 forest fires this year in Alberta....500 were caused by humans. Look it up.

Maybe it's always been that way but more careless actions are turning into real forest fires due to climate change.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by mcj

Why don't you provide a source?

That person has no concern whatsoever for whether or not he is speaking the truth. You might as well waste your time arguing with a wall.

People like that need to be completely ignored while the rest of us act like adults and make the changes necessary.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Black Star

650 forest fires this year in Alberta....500 were caused by humans. Look it up.

Danielle, is that you?

(I can see why you're thinking of creating an Alberta Police Force; "Alberta RCMP attributed lightning and other 'naturally occurring sources' as the cause for most of Alberta's fires this year.")

Alberta Wildfire estimated 1,400,021 hectares have burned during the 2023 wildfire season, beating the previous record of 1,357,000 hectares burned in 1981. So far this year there have been 973 wildfires in Alberta. It's still August.

[djmk]

Originally Posted by Black Star

650 forest fires this year in Alberta....500 were caused by humans. Look it up.

in BC there are currently 370 active fires of which 316 is from lightening, 19 cased by people and 35 by unknown.

so, at least 86% (or more) is caused by natural causes.

https://wildfiresituation.nrs.gov.bc...rentStatistics

ALberta is not 77% but rather about 54% human caused.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/dashboar...b0cf8b636defa3

Human caused can be anything from downed power lines, trains, smokers and campsites.

also, these "human caused fires" have always occurred. This is not a new thing

[seamusmcduff]

But dont you know, there were no people in 1981 so it's completely different!! The sharp increase in fires has nothing to do with climate change and everyone is just getting more careless! You know, doing careless things like dropping cigarette butts out of windows. Surely these types of activities have increased exponentially in 40 yrs.

It's not like things could possibly be hotter and drier, making it even easier for people to start forest fires, or anything like that.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

San Diego doesn't have intense rain events, sounds like they're mixing up their predictions.

That aged well since 2017. Here's 2019. Last year was Hurricane Kay. This weekend's forecast isn't much better, with Hurricane Hilary bearing down.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by whatnext

San Diego doesn't have intense rain events, sounds like they're mixing up their predictions.

Originally Posted by Changing City

That aged well since 2017. Here's 2019. Last year was Hurricane Kay. This weekend's forecast isn't much better, with Hurricane Hilary bearing down.

It's true (and interestingly uncharacteristic) that San Diego is having major rain events in high summer> Normally it's dry, with possible high clouds and maybe even a flash from the desert SW Cortes monsoon.
However, harking back to the thread title about becoming climatically parallel to SD, this is an impossibility. First San Diego is at Lat 33N, over 15 degrees further south than Vancouver at 49N. More intense sunlight all year, hotter surface temps. Secondly, SD does not experience cold winter outflow wind events that Vancouver does. In Vancouver,such winds bring biting cold and the possibility of snow and black ice. Winter easterly winds in San Diego are Santa Ana winds that bring heat and dust. / So, although Vancouver's climate is already showing signs of heating up, with hotter summer days and nights, longer Indian Summers, and sometimes warmer spring weather, it will never attain the consistent warmth, sunshine hours, and erratic but infrequent rain events that San Diego does annually. / Perhaps a slight tweaking of the thread title is valid. Thank you.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

That aged well since 2017. Here's 2019. Last year was Hurricane Kay. This weekend's forecast isn't much better, with Hurricane Hilary bearing down.

Wow, it is almost like the climate changes.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

It's true (and interestingly uncharacteristic) that San Diego is having major rain events in high summer> Normally it's dry, with possible high clouds and maybe even a flash from the desert SW Cortes monsoon.
However, harking back to the thread title about becoming climatically parallel to SD, this is an impossibility. First San Diego is at Lat 33N, over 15 degrees further south than Vancouver at 49N. More intense sunlight all year, hotter surface temps. Secondly, SD does not experience cold winter outflow wind events that Vancouver does. In Vancouver,such winds bring biting cold and the possibility of snow and black ice. Winter easterly winds in San Diego are Santa Ana winds that bring heat and dust. / So, although Vancouver's climate is already showing signs of heating up, with hotter summer days and nights, longer Indian Summers, and sometimes warmer spring weather, it will never attain the consistent warmth, sunshine hours, and erratic but infrequent rain events that San Diego does annually. / Perhaps a slight tweaking of the thread title is valid. Thank you.

You made similar points when the thread was launched. The thread title was from the Vancouver Sun article title, but it was pointed out then that (being a headline) it over simplified what the report actually says. "The Metro Vancouver study predicts that day-time high summer temperatures in the region will increase 3.7 C by the 2050s and 6 C by the 2080s. Indian summers are virtually guaranteed to linger into fall.”

So we're still 30 years too soon to know how accurate the report might be. But we are already seeing that the current weather patterns, here, and in San Diego, seem to be different from the recent past.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Wow, it is almost like the climate changes.

Is changing. You seemed to be somewhat dismissive of that concept with your previous comment, "San Diego doesn't have intense rain events", so I guess that's progress.

[mezzanine]

coming up to 7 years since the start of this thread

Sparse snowpack levels across B.C. raise fears of severe drought this year
Snow levels in province's mountains are 39% below normal, according to new data



David P. Ball · CBC News · Posted: Feb 08, 2024



Drought across British Columbia could worsen this year, experts and leaders are warning, as concern grows over a low snowpack in the mountains.

Snow levels are 39 per cent below normal, according to a B.C. River Forecast Centre report released Thursday — significantly worse than this time last year, when levels were 19 per cent below normal.

Snowpack levels remain below the median for every river basin in the province, with four in every five automated weather stations reporting levels in the bottom 20 per cent of all years since they started collecting data.

The snowpack is especially sparse across the South Coast, ranging from 30 per cent of normal on Vancouver Island to 47 per cent in the Lower Fraser region.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...rmal-1.7109143

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by whatnext

San Diego doesn't have intense rain events, sounds like they're mixing up their predictions.

Ageing well as a comment. Things seem to have changed since 2017. "Emergency declared in San Diego as wettest January day on record brings widespread flooding. The mayor declared a state of emergency as nearly 3 inches of rain Monday left standing water around multiple locations."

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by mezzanine

coming up to 7 years since the start of this thread

The world just experienced its hottest January on record, continuing a run of exceptional heat fueled by climate change, the European Union’s Copernicus Climate Change Service (C3S) said on Thursday.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Ageing well as a comment. Things seem to have changed since 2017. "Emergency declared in San Diego as wettest January day on record brings widespread flooding. The mayor declared a state of emergency as nearly 3 inches of rain Monday left standing water around multiple locations."

I guess we should change this thread to Climate change predicted to transform San Diego into Vancouver, but at a heavy cost

[Migrant_Coconut]

Both predictions are coming true; we're gearing up for another heat wave this summer.

[chowhou]

Quick climate reminder that San Diego (arid almost desert) more or less is 1800km south of us (wet rainforest).

San Diego is about 1800km north of Puerto Vallarta (tropical savanna) which gets very intense rains.

If we expect the changing climate to shift existing climate regions northwards, we'd absolutely expect San Diego to start having seasonal floods. Sucks for them.