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Vote planned on new Hudson Yards tower

By Sally Goldenberg and Dana Rubinstein
Jul. 10, 2014


The New York City Industrial Development Agency is poised to vote later this month on construction of a new tower within the vast Hudson Yards development project that would grant the property owner $170 million in tax breaks in exchange for multi-million-dollar contribution to expanding the Number 7 train and making other infrastucture improvements, city documents show.

Included in the project's official cost/benefit analysis prepared by the I.D.A. is a caveat that Tishman Speyer receive $170 million in property tax breaks over 25 years in exchange for a "payment in lieu of taxes." That means a commitment the company give "hundreds of millions" to the Hudson Yards Infrastructure Corp., according to a spokeswoman for the New York City Economic Development Corp. The I.D.A. is an arm of the E.D.C.

I was sure this was approved, but hadn't seen the actual approval until documents were released.

There was also testimony that development would begin "within a year". We shall see.



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I was sure this was approved, but hadn't seen the actual approval until documents were released.

There was also testimony that development would begin "within a year". We shall see.
is that the starts of the 1800ft hudson spire ??

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is that the starts of the 1800ft hudson spire ??
Yes, that's exactly what it says. Only it won't be built for another 10 years, so you can relax.
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NYC buildings with mega price tags
It’s not just 1 WTC — a look at other buildings with construction costs in the billions





From left: Related’s Stephen Ross, 30 Hudson Yards, 10 Hudson Yards and Tishman Speyer’s Rob Speyer


October 01, 2014
By Adam Pincus


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It’s no shock to hear that 1 World Trade Center, the centerpiece of the famed Lower Manhattan development site, has a construction price tag of $3.8 billion dollars.

But that world-famous tower is not the only New York City building that developers are forking over that much money to construct.

“New York developers are long on Manhattan and long on New York City,” said David Pfeffer, a co-chair of the construction practice at the Manhattan-based law firm Tarter Krinsky & Drogin. “They feel this is the place they can invest in these massively expensive buildings and get long-term returns on their investments.”

This month, The Real Deal looked at three other planned and under-construction towers — all located in the Hudson Yards area — which have $1 billion-plus price tags, according to paperwork that the development companies filed to obtain tax breaks with the New York City Industrial Development Agency, which is tasked with spurring economic development in the five boroughs.

The developers at those projects are apparently confident enough in the market to take the gamble and move ahead — that is once they have an anchor tenant.

Scott Singer, president of the financial advisory firm Singer & Bassuk, characterized the prevailing optimism: “It is the willingness to stake your reputation and financial well-being and relationships on a bet as to what market conditions will be years out in the future,” he said.


Developer: Related Companies
Address: 30 Hudson Yards (351 10th Avenue) and Shops at Hudson Yards
Buildings size/type: 2.7 million square feet (office), 1.1 million square feet (retail)
Total cost of project: $4.1 billion



Related is set to spend a massive $4.1 billion on the 84-story office tower dubbed 30 Hudson Yards and an adjacent retail complex called Shops at Hudson Yards.

The company made headlines last month when it confirmed that the high-end department store Neiman Marcus will anchor the 1.1 million-square-foot mall with its debut 250,000-square-foot outpost in New York City. No tenants have been announced yet for the 2.7 million-square-foot office tower, which has an address of 351 10th Avenue.

Jacking up the price of the two towers is the cost of the land ($193 million) and the platform ($721 million) that needs to be built over the famed rail yards. The joint price tag for both of those line items comes to $913 million, tax-abatement documents showed.

“If you look at Hudson Yards, you almost can’t compare anything to it because of the cost of the platforms,” said Jeffrey Schotz, an executive vice president at developer SJP Properties, which developed the 1.1 million-square-foot office building 11 Times Square.

The rest of the $4.1 billion price tag was made up of roughly $2.2 billion in hard costs — for things like constructing the building and installing mechanical systems — and $1.1 billion in soft costs for financing and leasing the office space.


According to the Related’s tax filing, it funded 34 percent of the project with equity, 27 percent through debt, 24 percent from future tenants pitching in for construction costs, and 14 percent from mezzanine financing.

Related, which is headed by Stephen Ross and Jeff Blau, did not respond to requests for comment.



Developer: Tishman Speyer
Address: 509 West 34th Street
Building size/type: 2.55 million square feet (office and retail)
Total cost of project: $3.29 billion



The massive tower that developer Tishman Speyer has planned for Hudson Yards will be one of the most expensive office buildings ever built in Manhattan.

The 2.55 million-square-foot building planned for the block bounded by 34th and 35th streets and 10th Avenue and Hudson Boulevard East is slated to cost $3.29 billion — or about $1,289 per buildable square foot.

Construction is expected to start in the third quarter of 2015 and to be completed in four years.

The hard costs for the project — which include things like demolishing the existing buildings on the site and constructing the exterior shell — are estimated at $1.4 billion, according to Tishman Speyer’s IDA filing.

The soft costs, meanwhile, are pegged at about $1.1 billion. Among other things, that includes $356 million in loan interest charges and $200 million in commissions and additional leasing costs to rent the building, which does not yet have any signed tenants. Add in the cost of the land (which includes multiple parcels purchased at different times), and the total cost of the project comes to nearly $3.3 billion. (Tishman Speyer pegged the land at $768 million in its tax filing.)

“The scale of these buildings is massive,” said Pfeffer, referring to both Tishman Speyer’s project and Related’s 30 Hudson Yards.

While Tishman Speyer declined to comment, real estate insiders told TRD most developers would expect a building to throw off an annual return of about 6 percent of the total construction cost once it is fully occupied. That would imply revenue of about $200 million per year — assuming office rents of about $90 per square foot.

The building, which is expected to open in 2019, is slated to be one of the largest in the city, although at only 61 stories, it will be shorter than the planned towers at Related’s neighboring Hudson Yards site.

Tishman Speyer, which is headed by the father-and-son duo of Jerry and Rob Speyer, is financing half of the building with its own equity and the other half with debt, according to the tax-cut filing.

The 50-50 split is not unusual for an office tower, Singer said. “Office development has historically been the most difficult to finance,” he said. “It is not surprising to see a high amount of equity expected to be required.”

He noted, however, that developers typically wait to start construction until they have an anchor tenant signed on.


Developer: Related Companies
Address: 10 Hudson Yards (380 11th Avenue)
Building size/type: 1.2 million square feet (office and retail)
Total cost of project: $1.25 billion



Related’s smaller project in Hudson Yards — 10 Hudson Yards at 380 11th Avenue — will still cost a pretty penny. The total price tag on the building is $1.25 billion, according to the company’s IDA filing.

Construction of the building, which will be home to the corporate offices of the handbag company Coach, and will also have a ground-floor Fairway Market, is underway. (The groundbreaking took place in December 2012 after Coach became the first anchor tenant to sign on at the larger Hudson Yards site.)

While the overall price of constructing the building may not be as high as Tishman Speyer’s 509 West 34th Street or Related’s other Hudson Yards towers, the cost is not that much lower on a price-per-square-foot basis.

Indeed, the all-in per-square-foot cost for building the project is $1,000, compared with $1,289 per foot for the Tishman Speyer project, for example.

The building’s $1.25 billion total breaks down like this: $640 million in hard costs, $317 million in soft costs and $289 million for land.

The buildings, mechanical systems and finishes will be high-end, according to Schotz. “You’re talking about marble in the bathrooms, and lobbies with stone finishes,” he said.



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City construction costs break $1,000 per foot barrier





October 01, 2014
By Adam Pincus


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The skyrocketing price of land has been on the lips of every developer and investment sales broker in New York City for the last few years.

But less talked about is the fact that the cost of actually constructing a building is breaking price records as well.

.....the price for concrete work, which includes the cost of labor, is projected to hit $92 per foot this year, up from $75 in 2011. Other cost jumps are even more dramatic, such as electrical, which rose by 45 percent, to $45 per foot, according to a comparison of two condo projects IVI analyzed, one from 2011, and one from 2014.

Yet the biggest thorn in the side of builders when it comes to hard costs is the sharp rise in insurance premiums, which have roughly doubled over the past five years to as much as 10 percent or more of the average project’s budget.

.....a host of materials like steel remain below peak pricing, in part because of the decline in demand from China, where the economy, and therefore development, is slowing down.

Insurance issues

Insurance is one of the largest line items in the construction field. And in New York, it’s even pricier than it is elsewhere because of a state law that creates strict liability for property owners and contractors, said Louis Coletti, CEO of the Building Trades Employers’ Association, which represents 1,700 unionized contractors throughout the city.

....For example, at Tishman Speyer’s planned $3.2 billion tower at 509 West 34th Street in the Hudson Yards area, insurance costs are $155 million, or about 9 percent of the $1.8 billion in hard costs, according to the company’s filing for a city tax exemption.

Meanwhile, at one recent outer-borough residential apartment project with a budget of roughly $400 million, the insurance costs are about $28 million, or 7 percent of the total, according to the developer, who did not want to be named.

Labor losses

Labor costs have also been on the rise recently.

“The reason building costs more is contractors are finally at the saturation point, where they are so busy that they can charge [developers] more,” LePatner said.

Materials matters

New York, of course, doesn’t operate in a vacuum. It’s part of the global economy. So the economic tumult in China, and the development slowdown that’s gone along with it, has had an impact on construction costs here.

At the moment, the drop in demand from developers in China is good news for New York developers when it comes to pricing on some key materials.

.....Typically the most expensive line items are concrete superstructure, windows, electric systems, drywall, carpentry and plumbing.

Prices for cement and concrete, which surged about 40 percent over the past decade, however, are nearly flat over the last year. Still, concrete remains a huge line item for developers at about 10 percent to 15 percent of a construction budget for a concrete shell building.

What’s ahead

Developers and contractors know cyclical spikes in demand for construction don’t come without spikes in costs, said Plaza Construction CEO Richard Wood.

“There has been a tremendous escalation of demand,” which is driving the higher costs, Wood said.

At the same time, the strong demand is helping to rebuild New York’s construction industry, which thinned out after the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.

In addition, the astronomical price of land is partly responsible for higher construction costs, as developers need to distinguish their projects and recoup their investments, Barone said.

“The problem is that as the costs go up, there are fewer options for what can be done with the parcel. If you are paying [a huge amount] for land, it does not pencil out as a rental. It has to be luxury. But it can’t be luxury, it has to be super-luxury,” Barone said.
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So is it still possible that this will be in the 1800' to 2000' range or is this just a 1000 footer?
     
     
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So is it still possible that this will be in the 1800' to 2000' range or is this just a 1000 footer?
For 509 West 34th Street:

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I think you might be thinking of the Hudson Spire.
     
     
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The building, which is expected to open in 2019, is slated to be one of the largest in the city, although at only 61 stories, it will be shorter than the planned towers at Related’s neighboring Hudson Yards site.
Yes, 61 office floors. That's 61 actual floors, not the number these office towers actually use (30 Hudson is hardly 92 floors). But we don't really know what the height is based on that. I highly doubt it would be a 2,000 ft tower (that would be ridiculous).


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They're very big buildings sandwiching another very big building (50 Hudson Yards).
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Lets hope for the best. This cluster reminds me of the Shenzhen development superblocks. Areas such as this are common in China, where as, several large skyscraper surround a small area; all of great height. This will catch a large portion of the public off guard. We here keep track of stuff like this, but the common folk probably has no idea. Even something like 432 Park Ave, started surprising people when it got very tall, and the media started talking about it.

Also, lets keep in the mind the surrounding developments around HY. We have this superblock, but there will also be several skyscrapers flanking the south, and north of the HY, with the center being the tallest.
     
     
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some news about this tower ??
please i need the updates , can someone informed me
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thank you for this answer , now i would like to know what the updates about the height of that tower ?
is that possible to get a 2000 ft tower ?
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So is it still possible that this will be in the 1800' to 2000' range or is this just a 1000 footer?

That's enough spamming for one page, thank you. I cannot take any of this seriously.
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By Lois Weiss
December 23, 2014


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Renowned artist and collector Hunt Slonem is moving from one pioneering location to another.

This time he will be moving his antiques, flea-market finds, tropical birds, art studio and offices to a sun-filled 30,623 square feet in Sunset Park.

He will be moving from the entire third floor of 22,500 square feet at 509 W. 34th St. in Hudson Yards, which is now a development site.

Tishman Speyer Properties purchased the Hudson Yards building, which will be torn down in 2015 to make way for a gigantic super-tall 2.55 million-square-foot building with an estimated cost of $3.29 billion.
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That's very interesting. 2.55 million sq. ft. is quite a lot.
     
     
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^ Well, I'm quite curious as to how this will turn out. They have the square-footage and the money. My guess is 1,400ft roof + 200ft spire = 1,600ft total. Could be a very nice supertall, but still not a signature tower [would need more height fot that].
At least it should be taller than the current tallest HY tower (30 HY).

Btw I'd disregard the low floor count for now (just take a look at 1 Vanderbilt and 30 HY...). I'm sure it will change in due time.
     
     
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That's very interesting. 2.55 million sq. ft. is quite a lot.
Fraction more than 4 WTC but a million less than 1 WTC. 30 HY is planned for what ... 2.6 million square feet?
     
     
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Fraction more than 4 WTC but a million less than 1 WTC. 30 HY is planned for what ... 2.6 million square feet?

This is actually closer to 3 msf if you include total size, but that doesn't really tell you anything. 1 Vanderbilt, planned to be one of the tallest in the city, will have only about 1.6 - 1.8 msf of space.
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If I'm not mistaken this site is pretty small though, meaning the building can't be fat, perhaps leading to a 400 meter tower
     
     
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If I'm not mistaken this site is pretty small though, meaning the building can't be fat, perhaps leading to a 400 meter tower
They're all pretty decent sites, meaning it comes down to design, which we know nothing of at this point, other than it'll be tall.
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http://www.jiaminginvestment.com/node/144?language=en

JIAMING & TISHMAN SPEYER PARTNERSHIP IN MANHATTAN OFFICE DEVELOPMENT





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JIAMING signed a partnership agreement with well-known U.S.-based global real estate developer Tishman Speyer on 23 July 2014. Both parties will co-invest in the 509 West 34th Street Development Site in the Hudson Yards district of Manhattan. The total investment in the entire project is projected to be approximately USD3.2Bn, approximately equal to RMB19.6Bn.

The 509 West 34th Street Development Site is situated in the Hudson Yards district with a site area of 6,266sqm (67,451 square feet) and a plot ratio of 33.0. A 265,000sqm (2.85 million square foot) office tower is planned for delivery beginning in Q4 2019.

The 509 West 34th Street Development is the 2nd largest development in the western Hudson Yards district by development area. The site’s large footprint provides flexibility to design a highly efficient building that offers tenants large, open floor plates as well as sweeping views of Midtown Manhattan and the Hudson River. Additionally, the site will offer build-to-suit opportunities to a diverse group of companies, attracting branded tenants in the pre-leasing market.

...The success story between JIAMING and Tishman Speyer on the 509 West 34th Street Development Site will facilitate the ongoing development of the district. We also expect to make a substantial return upon stable operations. JIAMING believes that the partnership with Tishman Speyer will help kick off its overseas investment strategy. They look forward to cooperating with Tishman Speyer in different projects in the future.
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Elevator Firm Takes Long Island City Space

TEI Group Inc. looked everywhere in Manhattan for an office space to relocate its headquarters. It found the perfect space in Long Island City, Queens.

The company, which builds, repairs and maintains elevators, signed a 12-year lease for almost 23,000 square feet at a former Macy’s warehouse building called the Factory.

Owners Atlas Capital Group LLC and Square Mile Capital Management LLC, which bought the building in January 2014, plan to invest $20 million over three years to upgrade the common areas, restore the facade, replace windows and make other improvements to the 1926 building.

The building location is convenient from mass-transit hubs such as the Port Authority Bus Terminal, Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal, said Mark Gregorio, TEI president. Residential developments have transformed the former industrial neighborhood, which has more shops and foot traffic, he said. The company must vacate its offices at 509 W. 34th St. because the building is on a site where Tishman Speyer is planning to build an office tower.
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$3.2 billion is a large commitment and to be done in 2019. I wonder what their going to build on the site? There has to be more information coming out on this pretty soon.
     
     
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Tishman Speyer is buying a $300M Hudson Yards development site

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The owner of Rockefeller Center, the Chrysler Building and other trophy real estate in midtown is betting that the center of Manhattan will shift to the far West Side.

Tishman Speyer is buying a large development site across the street from the Javits Center for more than $300 million, say several sources familiar with the deal. The land, between West 36th and West 37th streets on 11th Avenue, can accommodate at least a 640,000-square-feet mixed-use property, including a residential or hotel development. Tishman Speyer is purchasing the site from the Imperatore family, which has owned it for several years.

Sources speculated that Tishman Speyer could acquire additional air rights in the district that would allow it to build bigger, expanding the square footage to at least 1.7 million square feet.

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