PHILADELPHIA | Lowrise/General Developments Thread

[Redddog]

Originally Posted by reparcsyks

Please lord, don't let that be the final signage.

haha. That looks pretty final to me.

[mcgrath618]

They said they intended on restoring the original Boyd's neon, so that's something.

[PHLtoNYC]

Originally Posted by DudeGuy

No. The construction you're seeing is work being done on the Atheneaum next door. As far as I know the Dilworth House project is dead in the water due to the out of control civic association.

What?! I thought it was a done deal, like permits issued and all.
Not sure if PhillyYimby is accurate...

https://phillyyimby.com/2021/10/perm...iety-hill.html

[iheartphilly]

^
Well, his article was published about 1 year ago now. So, plans may of evolved and this project is no longer active. Not sure if anyone has more current info to say otherwise.

[Busy Bee]

Such a great photo from when it was Sam Eric

[Gatorade_Jim]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Such a great photo from when it was Sam Eric

Is that a rendering or am I going crazy?

[steve_phl]

My guess is it’s temporary. This article has the renderings they presented to the neighborhood groups.

https://billypenn.com/2022/01/31/ban...ting-barstool/

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

I didn't see this shared yet... I guess this plan keeps with the sea of strip malls and parking in that area.

Proposed shopping center to bring Shake Shack, Raising Cane's and Lidl to South Philadelphia

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...ing-canes.html

Under plans filed with the city, a 6.2-acre property at 16 Snyder Ave. will be razed and replaced with six detached structures for retail tenants including Lidl, Shake Shack, Raising Cane's Chicken Fingers, Advanced Auto Parts and Chase Bank.

I submitted some clarifications which the writer incorporated into the PBJ article. In addition to the nearby shopping strips and big boxen stores mentioned in the article, there’s also Snyder Plaza directly across Swanson St from the site.

Previously on Sat, Oct 1:

Originally Posted by TempleGuy1000

Lidl, Raising Cane’s Chicken, Shake Shack, + More to Replace Industrial Plant in South Philly

Originally Posted by Jayfar

I scooped him by several hours (I posted at 6:23AM), but Kyle McShane included a helpful numbered key in his post matching the slated tenants to their respective buildings in the plan.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Phil...9799150642048/

…and of course I always include a direct link to the relevant zoning permit with plans: http://s3.amazonaws.com/eclipse-docs...022-009142.pdf

…and a link to GroJLart’s excellent historical piece on Inolex from 2019: https://www.ocfrealty.com/naked-phil...emical-complex

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

They said they intended on restoring the original Boyd's neon, so that's something.

Did you hear something new in that regard? Neon restoration on the marquee was in the plans approved by the Philadelphia Historical Commission long before Bankroll entered the picture, however language in the Memorandum of Agreement between Center City Residents’ Association, Pearl Properties and Bankroll specifically precludes neon and places other restrictions on exterior lighting.

(g) Signs and Lighting.

(i) Tenant agrees that it will not install or use any spotlights that will be visible from neighboring properties.

(ii) Tenant agrees not to install, or seek to install, any lights that are directed into the windows of any neighboring properties.

(iii) Tenant agrees not to install, or seek to install, any neon, strobing, crawling, moving, or animated lighting on the marquee or façade of the building.

(iv) Tenant agrees that all signs installed on the marquee and façade of the building shall be internally illuminated and shall use ambient light sensors to automatically reduce the intensity of the illumination during periods of darkness. 5 (v) Tenant agrees that the intensity of the luminance of any signs installed on the marquis and façade of the building shall not exceed a maximum of 7,500 nits and shall not exceed 0.3 foot candles of light above the ambient light levels.

https://files.constantcontact.com/d3...e1d09e74ac.pdf

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by Jayfar

Did you hear something new in that regard? Neon restoration on the marquee was in the plans approved by the Philadelphia Historical Commission long before Bankroll entered the picture, however language in the Memorandum of Agreement between Center City Residents’ Association, Pearl Properties and Bankroll specifically precludes neon and places other restrictions on exterior lighting.

(g) Signs and Lighting.

(i) Tenant agrees that it will not install or use any spotlights that will be visible from neighboring properties.

(ii) Tenant agrees not to install, or seek to install, any lights that are directed into the windows of any neighboring properties.

(iii) Tenant agrees not to install, or seek to install, any neon, strobing, crawling, moving, or animated lighting on the marquee or façade of the building.

(iv) Tenant agrees that all signs installed on the marquee and façade of the building shall be internally illuminated and shall use ambient light sensors to automatically reduce the intensity of the illumination during periods of darkness. 5 (v) Tenant agrees that the intensity of the luminance of any signs installed on the marquis and façade of the building shall not exceed a maximum of 7,500 nits and shall not exceed 0.3 foot candles of light above the ambient light levels.

https://files.constantcontact.com/d3...e1d09e74ac.pdf

You’re so on top of all of this stuff. I wish I knew how you did it.

I swear I remember seeing a CDR submission where they proposed restoring the original Boyd’s neon, but apparently that was either dropped or killed.

[Gatorade_Jim]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

You’re so on top of all of this stuff. I wish I knew how you did it.

I swear I remember seeing a CDR submission where they proposed restoring the original Boyd’s neon, but apparently that was either dropped or killed.

That’s so stupid. The original neon sign would look so cool. That really makes me mad.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by mcgrath618

You’re so on top of all of this stuff. I wish I knew how you did it.

I swear I remember seeing a CDR submission where they proposed restoring the original Boyd’s neon, but apparently that was either dropped or killed.

Actually been meaning to ask: Are CDRs archived somewhere? If not, WTF?

[Jayfar]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Actually been meaning to ask: Are CDRs archived somewhere? If not, WTF?

As far as I can see they’re not. When I’ve posted links to CDR submissions, the links have always broken at some later date. They do have the videos of the Zoom meetings archived, going back to 2020.

https://www.phila.gov/departments/ph...blic-meetings/

[DeltaNerd]

Originally Posted by Gatorade_Jim

That’s so stupid. The original neon sign would look so cool. That really makes me mad.

Why are nimbys so petty. Neon would add to these wonderful buildings. These people have way too much power

[TempleGuy1000]

Originally Posted by Jayfar

Did you hear something new in that regard? Neon restoration on the marquee was in the plans approved by the Philadelphia Historical Commission long before Bankroll entered the picture, however language in the Memorandum of Agreement between Center City Residents’ Association, Pearl Properties and Bankroll specifically precludes neon and places other restrictions on exterior lighting.

(g) Signs and Lighting.

(i) Tenant agrees that it will not install or use any spotlights that will be visible from neighboring properties.

(ii) Tenant agrees not to install, or seek to install, any lights that are directed into the windows of any neighboring properties.

(iii) Tenant agrees not to install, or seek to install, any neon, strobing, crawling, moving, or animated lighting on the marquee or façade of the building.

(iv) Tenant agrees that all signs installed on the marquee and façade of the building shall be internally illuminated and shall use ambient light sensors to automatically reduce the intensity of the illumination during periods of darkness. 5 (v) Tenant agrees that the intensity of the luminance of any signs installed on the marquis and façade of the building shall not exceed a maximum of 7,500 nits and shall not exceed 0.3 foot candles of light above the ambient light levels.

https://files.constantcontact.com/d3...e1d09e74ac.pdf

So reading the words closely, the original rendering would still be permissible?

[Busy Bee]

Originally Posted by DeltaNerd

Why are nimbys so petty. Neon would add to these wonderful buildings. These people have way too much power

Signage regulation in most American cities, including suburbia, is way too restrictive. Much of it is "city beautiful" types that have always associated large bold and flashly signage as unsightly while totally diaregarding that such signage in many cases adds energy and excitement to the streetscape and was ubiquitous until probably the 1970s when these types of signage codes were strenghtened.

[PHLtoNYC]

Looks like the townhouses at 15th & Pine are underway.

https://imgur.com/WSBa32k

* I can never get the stupid pictures to show up, but the link shows it.

[Raja]

Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

Looks like the townhouses at 15th & Pine are underway.

https://imgur.com/WSBa32k

* I can never get the stupid pictures to show up, but the link shows it.

This reminds me, I don't know whatever happened to a certain formerly very active poster who I won't name for privacy reasons, but his condo building has been finished for a few months now and it looks super sharp from the street.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...7696267_zpid/?

[mcgrath618]

Originally Posted by Raja

This reminds me, I don't know whatever happened to a certain formerly very active poster who I won't name for privacy reasons, but his condo building has been finished for a few months now and it looks super sharp from the street.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...7696267_zpid/?

1487 lived there???

/s

[PHLtoNYC]

Not much info, but the Market-Frankford line is of particular concern in the plan...

SEPTA's new security plan makes tackling homelessness a major priority

https://www.bizjournals.com/philadel...Pos=4#cxrecs_s