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Old Posted Apr 12, 2019, 2:07 AM
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Hospitals await funding details; planning for new Civic, treatment centre get budget nods

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: April 11, 2019


The Ottawa Hospital’s planned Civic super hospital and CHEO’s new integrated treatment centre both got nods in the Ford government’s first budget Thursday.

The two hospitals will receive money for planning and engineering work as part of $17 billion the province says it will spend over the next decade modernizing and building new hospitals.

The Ottawa Hospital welcomed the funding: “The new campus will serve our community and beyond for generations to come, and we will continue to engage our partners in the community throughout the planning process,” said a hospital spokesperson.

Ontario’s Progressive Conservative government characterized its budget as one that protects health care at a time when the provincial health system is being restructured to tackle hallway medicine and other issues. But critics say it will leave hospitals struggling to cope with overcrowding and growing demands.

Overall hospital spending will go up by $384 million — which is a two-per-cent increase over last year. The Ontario Hospital Association was asking for 3.4 per cent to meet increasing needs.

It is still unclear, though, what individual hospital budgets will look like as they struggle to deal with overcrowded emergency departments and continue to treat patients in hallways. Those details will be available in coming days.

Ontario Hospital Association president Anthony Dale said the hospital funding “will help maintain access to services as the fundamental changes needed to transform Ontario’s health system are put in place.”

Hospital overcrowding, he said, “is the direct result of poor planning and inadequate capacity in other important areas of Ontario’s health system. We look forward to working with the government and health provider partners to bring about the changes that are so clearly needed.”

Thursday’s budget featured a free dental program for low-income seniors, which was being welcomed by many advocates for the elderly, although Ottawa Centre NDP MPP Joel Harden noted that it is only available to individuals with incomes below $19,300, far less than a similar program in Alberta. There, seniors earning less than $33,000 receive free dental care.

“This piecemeal approach is going to help too few,” said Harden.

Still, the focus on seniors was embraced by Lisa Levin, chief executive of Advantage Ontario, which represents not-for-profit long-term care homes, seniors housing and community organizations.

“We saw a renewed commitment to a number of things that will support seniors.”

She welcomed $267 million in funding for home and community care, including nursing and personal support as well as transportation and meals. That will help many seniors remain in supported housing and keep them out of long-term care homes, she said.

Access to meals and transportation, she said, “are simple things that really help people stay at home.’

The province will also create 15,000 new long-term care beds over the next five years and upgrade 15,000 older beds at long-term care homes to meet the needs of patients with complex health conditions.

The budget also featured a focus on alcohol with loosened rules around its consumption and sale, including allowing alcohol to be served at 9 a.m., permitting municipalities to allow people to drink in parks and public areas and allowing happy hour specials to be advertised.

Meanwhile, the government will make significant changes and cuts to public health units, some of which have been at odds with the government over supervised consumption sites and have made alcohol a focus of public health campaigns. The province says it will reduce the current 35 health units to 10 and modernize the public health laboratory system. It is not clear whether that will result in layoffs, but the budget refers to improving “back office efficiency.”

The province will also invest $3.8 billion in mental health, addictions and housing supports over the next decade.

The budget, coming at a time when health-care delivery is in a state of change in Ontario, is very much a holding budget. The province recently passed legislation doing away with the Local Integrated Health Network (LHIN) system and folding 20 previous health agencies into one super agency headed by a single board.

It has begun planning for a primary care system that will be delivered by integrated health teams.

By the time the Ford government delivers its next budget, health care could look very different in the province.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...et-budget-nods
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Good to see that our major healthcare related projects continue to advance. These two projects, the Orleans Health Hub and Stage 2 are the most important infrastructure improvements needed in Ottawa. As long as those survive the next 4 years, I'll be satisfied for the most part.
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It's been a while since anything new was posted on this one. Does anybody know where this process stands?
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It's been a while since anything new was posted on this one. Does anybody know where this process stands?
Frankly I'd be surprised if the Ford government does anything more than the most minimal planning in the blessedly short time they have left in power. They are certainly not eager to move on spending money on anything besides increasing their own salaries.
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Frankly I'd be surprised if the Ford government does anything more than the most minimal planning in the blessedly short time they have left in power. They are certainly not eager to move on spending money on anything besides increasing their own salaries.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they aren't even yet at the two-year mark of a four-year "fixed" term, let alone the five-year constitutional limit.
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They do fully acknowledge this is probably 5 years to design and another 5 years to built.

This isn't a simple building project.
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They do fully acknowledge this is probably 5 years to design and another 5 years to built.

This isn't a simple building project.
I feel like for the last 10 years they've been saying this thing will be built in 10 years.

Say we start the clock when a final site was chosen (after those 10 years of back-and-forth). That was 4 years ago. Does that mean the new hospital will ope in 6? Doubtful.

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Watching the presentation from 2018. Architect is HDR from Omaha, Nebreska who also designed the Orleans Health Hub.

Here's there Health Care portfolio:

https://www.hdrinc.com/portfolio?mar...=&location=All

Architect's presentation starts at around 27 minutes.

https://www.facebook.com/OttawaHospi...type=2&theater
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Here's a Vancouver parallel to the Civic Hospital relocation; St. Paul's Hospital on the downtown peninsula. They didn't have the same debate on location; the site next to the Pacific Central Station at False Creek was acquired in 2008. Planning is much further along than the Civic, which is expected considering the site was chosen 8 years prior to ours. The current hospital was sold for $1B this week.

https://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum...d.php?t=145575

I wonder how much the old Civic could fetch. Considering the location, with the Experimental Farm that will never be developed across the street, Carling that could become a streetcar route and the sheer size of the land, I would expect $100 million+.
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Groundbreaking for the new St. Paul's is expected this year, based on a DailyHive article from November 2019.

The new Civic is far larger than the new St. Paul's (548 beds vs 800-900).

Here are some renderings and site plans for comparison with what we've seen here so far. Vancouver's facility was designed by IBI Group (Ottawa projects include downtown subway stations and 400 Albert).









https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/new-...r-city-council

If we do build the elliptical shaped facility as per the concept, the new Civic could very well be one of the most interesting modern hospitals in the country from a design perspective. Quite literally out of the box thinking compared to most (if not all) new facilities. The new St. Paul's is a fine looking hospital, but nothing spectacular. Same with Humber River and Vaughn. The new CHUM in Montreal is absolutely horrid.

In the 2018 presentation, the architect mentioned the in-patient wing, the ambulatory wing (out-patient), education and research facilities, but that was the extent of it. He talked about Carling Station for its potential, but it was "outside of the scope".

I sincerely hope that the City and the Ottawa Hospital can work together to integrate Carling Station within the hospital, with entrances on both sides of Carling. Build the facility over the tracks and create an underground station for the health care workers and patients, not to mention the thousands who live and work in the area. The station could very well be within the top 10 busiest on the system when the hospital opens.

Like St. Paul's, we should consider building a facility for private medical offices (GPs, Dynacare, imaging, dentist, pharmacy, physio...), a hotel for the families of patients who travel from outside the city, some retail along Carling. Maybe stop short of residential.
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Lessons from pandemic will help shape new Ottawa Civic Hospital

Elizabeth Payne, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Sep 03, 2020 • Last Updated 11 minutes ago • 2 minute read


Lessons learned during the COVID-19 pandemic will help shape the new Civic hospital, The Ottawa Hospital’s new President and CEO Cameron Love said Thursday.

There were already plans to include only single rooms and wider hallways for better infection control in the new hospital to replace the nearly century-old Civic, but Love said the pandemic has made it clear that hospital design can help with other challenges. Those include how to safely bring people in and out of buildings during a pandemic and being able to group patients with infectious diseases together, among others.

Love said hospital officials are also doing research across the globe to learn from other hospitals dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.

The intent is “to make sure we know all the new design standards on how we manage whatever the next future infectious disease is,” he said.

“The new facility will bring the highest level of safety in emergency and pandemic planning, of health system partnership and leadership.”

The current Civic hospital, which the new hospital will replace, was built in the wake of the deadly 1918 flu epidemic using design standards of the day learned through infectious disease experience.

Construction is set to begin on the new hospital in 2024 and be completed some time in 2027, said Love. The public should get to see what the hospital will look like early next year after key design work is done, he said.

Love was among speakers Thursday at the signing of an agreement between The Ottawa Hospital and the Unionized Building and Construction Trades Council of Eastern Ontario for construction of the new hospital on Carling Avenue adjacent to Dow’s Lake.

The agreement includes a commitment by the building trades that there will be no work stoppages during construction. The charter signed by the hospital and trade unions also proposes a collaboration to build a daycare at the existing hospital to accommodate families of workers. That is part of the agreement to build a more diverse building and construction trades workforce. Both sides also commit to train and replace the 20 per cent of the workforce expected to retire during the next 10 years.

The price tag for the hospital is expected to be above $2 billion, although a final figure will not be available until more planning work is complete.

The project will be provincially funded, but the community will be responsible for a local share of around 10 per cent of the cost, depending on various factors. Some communities in Ontario have issued a municipal levy to help raise that money.

Love said it is too soon to say how the issue will be approached in Ottawa, but the hospital is talking to the city.

“We have had a number of discussions with the city on multiple options and over the course of the next quarter we are going to have to determine what the best approach is for that financing strategy.”

The hospital is currently at Stage 2 in the Ministry of Health’s capital planning process, during which key details including hospital programming, square footage, design, financial planning and site requirements are worked out.

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Construction is set to begin on the new hospital in 2024 and be completed some time in 2027, said Love. The public should get to see what the hospital will look like early next year after key design work is done, he said.
That's the most specific timeline we've seen so far. Refreshing!

Little off topic, but Gatineau's new 170 bed hospital promised by the CAQ within 5 year of the 2018 election will NOT be built by 2023. No shit Sherlock! And it will probably be a 170 bed expansion to an existing hospital, not a new hospital.

I'm in no way frustrated with the CAQ. Good on them for finally paying attention to Gatineau. The 5 year timeline was never realistic. I'm confident they'll be able to present a more concrete plan before the next election.
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That's the most specific timeline we've seen so far. Refreshing!

From what I've heard from someone ITK, the new Ottawa hospital campus will have more height than sprawl but I'll hold my breath until the actual plans are released.
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Glad to see single rooms are going to be the new normal.
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From what I've heard from someone ITK, the new Ottawa hospital campus will have more height than sprawl but I'll hold my breath until the actual plans are released.
Assuming they stick with the February 2018 concept, we should see the tall, compact design your acquaintance is speaking of. Plenty of open/green-space preserved around the hospital buildings.


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Assuming they stick with the February 2018 concept, we should see the tall, compact design your acquaintance is speaking of. Plenty of open/green-space preserved around the hospital buildings.


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The hospital project is a great opportunity to double the Trillium Line tracks and move the station to the hospital property.
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The hospital project is a great opportunity to double the Trillium Line tracks and move the station to the hospital property.
I certainly hope so. Double tracking the remaining stretch from just north of Beech to the Dow's Lake tunnel and shifting Carling station to under Carling in order to have entrances on both sides of the road (and far more coverage from the elements) would go a long way to improving user experience.
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