Halifax Retail

[Keith P.]

Originally Posted by someone123

I've got to say... I am old enough to clearly remember Zellers and it is not up there on my retail wish list.

Most of their stores were mediocre at best, but I quite liked their large (and newest for the region) store in Bayers Lake, which after the Target debacle now is a Canadian Tire. It had the space to offer their full assortment in an accessible manner and displayed their offerings well. They were a tiny cut above Walmart in terms of quality of goods and prices were generally competitive.

Interesting to me is that not only was the Target experiment there a total failure as was the entire chain's ill-advised excursion into Canada, but the subsequent takeover of that site by Canadian Tire resulted in an overly large store that is difficult to shop because of the sprawling size. It has the same problem as their Dartmouth Crossing store but worse. I tend to avoid both.

[q12]

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Not sure where this will be located.

[gohaligo]

Originally Posted by connect2source

Would make a lot of sense. HSC is a much stronger mall but perhaps it would be better to redevelop the old Eaton's into more flagship sized retail similar to the Zara, H&M and Apple parts of the mall.

Would be a great space for the likes of modern furniture retailers like EQ3, Crate & Barrel and CB2. I still think Simons would be a great fit too.

I drove by HSC this week and there seems to be some construction activity going on on the lower level and main floor exterior doors of the old Sears store. Didn't check the Mall 3nd floor entrance for signs construction.
It's a little late for Toys R Us this season especially with the squeeze on toy supply.
Might be the long rumoured Home Sense/Marshals.
I think The Bay would want to be back in Halifax in a more "downtown" location than in a suburban mall that they have no ownership in and no real reason to stay. I seem to recall that HBC had a position in Cambridge Properties before it became Ivanhoe Cambridge. HBC's value now is in their real estate holdings. On the HSC side I think they are over taking risks on Department Stores ala Eaton's and Sears.
I did have a lookie inside and it looks pretty gutted. I don't think that HSC would be doing anything there if they didn't have a tenant or tenants.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by gohaligo

I think The Bay would want to be back in Halifax in a more "downtown" location than in a suburban mall that they have no ownership in and no real reason to stay.

Mic Mac Mall is "suburban"?

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Mic Mac Mall is "suburban"?

Yes, even HSC is somewhat suburban if you ask me. It's just barely on the peninsula.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Yes, even HSC is somewhat suburban if you ask me. It's just barely on the peninsula.

I don't think that's even remotely true. It perhaps could have been said that HSC was marginally "suburban" when it was built - in the early 60s. Not today, and not Mic Mac Mall either.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

I don't think that's even remotely true. It perhaps could have been said that HSC was marginally "suburban" when it was built - in the early 60s. Not today, and not Mic Mac Mall either.

Well, they aren't downtown malls either. Scotia Square was a downtown mall. The others, not so much.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Well, they aren't downtown malls either. Scotia Square was a downtown mall. The others, not so much.

"Downtown" (or not) has nothing to do with it. The suggestion was that they were "suburban" - different discussion entirely.

[Drybrain]

I think the landscape and built environment surrounding both HSC and especially Mic Mac is pretty suburban, though both are within the regional centre. Maybe we need to distinguish between inner suburbs (like Clayton Park, say) versus the farther-flung ones (Sackville, Enfield, etc.) You hear this distinction a lot in Toronto, where Etobicoke or Scarborough are considered “inner” suburbs despite being part of the city of Toronto. But they’re clearly different from, for example, Whitby.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

I think the landscape and built environment surrounding both HSC and especially Mic Mac is pretty suburban, though both are within the regional centre. Maybe we need to distinguish between inner suburbs (like Clayton Park, say) versus the farther-flung ones (Sackville, Enfield, etc.) You hear this distinction a lot in Toronto, where Etobicoke or Scarborough are considered “inner” suburbs despite being part of the city of Toronto. But they’re clearly different from, for example, Whitby.

However we want to parse it, I don't think there's any doubt that the areas around HSC and Mic Mac Mall are definitely "urban", going by the plain English meaning of the word.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

However we want to parse it, I don't think there's any doubt that the areas around HSC and Mic Mac Mall are definitely "urban", going by the plain English meaning of the word.

I can acquiesce to the concept of HSC being in an urban (non downtown) area of the city.

When I was living in Halifax (1980s), the area around HSC was definitely an older inner ring suburb. This affects my perception of the area. The area however has certainly urbanized in the last 30 years or so.

I will not budge on Mic Mac though. This is still a suburban mall to my mind, especially given it's location and relationship to the adjacent Circumferential Highway.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I will not budge on Mic Mac though. This is still a suburban mall to my mind, especially given it's location and relationship to the adjacent Circumferential Highway.

Whether you "budge" is not my point. You're perfectly free to take whatever position you like, and I'm not trying to change your mind.

I'm just stating as matter of simple fact that Mic Mac Mall is in an urban area, and has been from the time it was built.

Perhaps you and I just don't agree on what the word "urban" means, but I think that resort to any dictionary would probably resolve that.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Whether you "budge" is not my point. You're perfectly free to take whatever position you like, and I'm not trying to change your mind.

I'm just stating as matter of simple fact that Mic Mac Mall is in an urban area, and has been from the time it was built.

Perhaps you and I just don't agree on what the word "urban" means, but I think that resort to any dictionary would probably resolve that.

I think you could make a case for either. It does have more of suburban feel being right along the highway and not a lot of density right around it. However, there is a lot of built up density not to far away and becoming more dense all the time.

HSC has a more urban feel having quite a lot of density right around it and becoming much more dense over the past few years.

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

I think you could make a case for either. It does have more of suburban feel being right along the highway and not a lot of density right around it. However, there is a lot of built up density not to far away and becoming more dense all the time.

HSC has a more urban feel having quite a lot of density right around it and becoming much more dense over the past few years.

Whether an area is urban is a matter of fact, not feel.

To put it another way, an area may be urban without having an urban "feel".

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Whether an area is urban is a matter of fact, not feel.

To put it another way, an area may be urban without having an urban "feel".

Well then Mic Mac Mall is suburban!

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

Well then Mic Mac Mall is suburban!

Not by any conventional definition of the word, it isn't.

[OldDartmouthMark]

By the way this conversation is going, it won't be long until downtown Dartmouth is deemed "suburban"...

Great discussion, guys!

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

Not by any conventional definition of the word, it isn't.

It's definitely what you would call inner suburban!

[Saul Goode]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

It's definitely what you would call inner suburban!

You guys really are complicating this unnecessarily. It's simple English, for crying out loud. By definition Mic Mac Mall is urban. So is HSC.

Would you try to characterize Point Pleasant Park as "rural" just because of its bucolic character? Of course not. That would be ridiculous. It's urban because of where it is, not because of what it's like.

Seriously...

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Saul Goode

You guys really are complicating this unnecessarily. It's simple English, for crying out loud. By definition Mic Mac Mall is urban. So is HSC.

Would you try to characterize Point Pleasant Park as "rural" just because of its bucolic character? Of course not. That would be ridiculous. It's urban because of where it is, not because of what it's like.

Seriously...

Whatever you think bud...