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Old Posted Jan 27, 2014, 6:18 PM
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2014, 6:19 PM
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Can we, for once, tout something besides the weather and our outdoor environment? Frankly, if this place was more business friendly then we wouldn't have to use the weather as a constant crutch. To be honest, Southern California has winter weather that's just as good, if not better, than Phoenix's, but you never hear business leaders there constantly raving about the fact that business travelers can go without a jacket. I wish the conversation on how to attract conventioneers and business in general would go beyond sunshine and flip flops. This is the nation's sixth largest city, not Club Med. We REALLY need to start getting serious.
If we don't talk about mostly great weather, what are we going to say? We have a great, functional State government? No. We have an accepting immigration policy? No. We pay competitive wages like other cities our size? No. We have generations-old families that support the arts organizations like they do in other cities? No.

We is what we is. For companies to move their headquarters here, they are looking at quality of life issues for the families of the executives and that's why for the most part we don't have many corporate headquarters here. If they want to move a call center here, all they give a fuck about is how cheap it is to pay people and how to avoid high corporate taxes.

Put two and two together and you get your answer. On the flip-side: It's fucking beautiful out today.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2014, 6:35 PM
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Luring in businesses is the job of an entirely different entity (GPEC, ACA) than the one responsible for bringing in consumers (AOT). And, if you read my post, I said that only 1 month was spent on ads that mentioned the weather, focused only in Chicago.

Trust me, it's obvious highlighting the weather is merely a supporting reason for why to come here.

For the person in San Diego who hasn't seen an ad, while it is a national advertising campaign (for one of the first times in several years due to budgets) there are still distinct target markets where the majority of the money is spent and SD may not be at the top and is probably receiving fiewer impressions than a Chicago.

AZ's tourism ad spend is a far cry from those of casinos.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2014, 9:32 PM
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Luring in businesses is the job of an entirely different entity (GPEC, ACA) than the one responsible for bringing in consumers (AOT). And, if you read my post, I said that only 1 month was spent on ads that mentioned the weather, focused only in Chicago.

Trust me, it's obvious highlighting the weather is merely a supporting reason for why to come here.

For the person in San Diego who hasn't seen an ad, while it is a national advertising campaign (for one of the first times in several years due to budgets) there are still distinct target markets where the majority of the money is spent and SD may not be at the top and is probably receiving fiewer impressions than a Chicago.

AZ's tourism ad spend is a far cry from those of casinos.
Not that I want Arizona to be anything like Texas, but that state does a great job touting their business climate and is doing a great job at luring new industry to relocate. Look at Austins growth, which they can now claim as a tourist destination even though a decade ago it never was. And even Dallas. Just an example of two red states with two red governments but one doing an amazing job touting itself and another that doesn't seem to care much.
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2014, 11:27 PM
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Not that I want Arizona to be anything like Texas, but that state does a great job touting their business climate and is doing a great job at luring new industry to relocate. Look at Austins growth, which they can now claim as a tourist destination even though a decade ago it never was. And even Dallas. Just an example of two red states with two red governments but one doing an amazing job touting itself and another that doesn't seem to care much.
March 24th. Big news on that day about a major step forward in regard to what you're touching on. That's all I can say for now.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2014, 12:04 AM
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I have more faith in the recent privatization of the Arizona Commerce Authority...they have already done some good work to lure some big companies in the short time they've been active. Again showing how utilizing the private sector instead of relying on the Government's shortcomings....
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2014, 1:40 AM
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If we don't talk about mostly great weather, what are we going to say? We have a great, functional State government? No. We have an accepting immigration policy? No. We pay competitive wages like other cities our size? No. We have generations-old families that support the arts organizations like they do in other cities? No.

We is what we is. For companies to move their headquarters here, they are looking at quality of life issues for the families of the executives and that's why for the most part we don't have many corporate headquarters here. If they want to move a call center here, all they give a fuck about is how cheap it is to pay people and how to avoid high corporate taxes.

Put two and two together and you get your answer. On the flip-side: It's fucking beautiful out today.
Our "low tax, more business" politicians should be thinking about developing additional assets that we can tout. I am just saying that it's tiring to hear everyone all the time tout the weather as if that's enough to maintain Phoenix as a competitive location for conventions, new white collar businesses, and an increasingly educated workforce. Yes, it's 70 degrees here in January, but it's 70 in LA, it's 70 in Miami, it'll be 70 in Houston and Dallas in a couple days.... What do we have over those cities that can be used to lure more industry? We are sorely lacking and it shows in our skyline and the fact that the need for this proposed hotel is being questioned.

We don't have to be what we are. We shouldn't be complacent. There's just an unsettling level of complacency and smugness with the status quo that a city and state that is trying to developing an identity shouldn't have. Places should be trying to constantly evolve. Too many people here just resign themselves and say, "well at least you don't have to shovel sunshine." We need to move beyond that mentality. Yes, it's beautiful today. It was beautiful yesterday and the day before that and the week before that. It will be beautiful tomorrow, the day after that, and it'll probably be gorgeous a week from now. But what do we have to offer beyond that? What goals are we even working toward using as future assets? I don't really see any.

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Not that I want Arizona to be anything like Texas, but that state does a great job touting their business climate and is doing a great job at luring new industry to relocate. Look at Austins growth, which they can now claim as a tourist destination even though a decade ago it never was. And even Dallas. Just an example of two red states with two red governments but one doing an amazing job touting itself and another that doesn't seem to care much.
Exactly. Texas has a reputation of being a solid red state, full of social and fiscal conservatism, but unlike Arizona, they have something to show for it. They are constantly blasting forward like a tank to strengthen and grow their economy. There is no lethargy, no complacency, and they are certainly not constantly shouting how much better the weather is than in Chicago or New York in a desperate hope to attract employers. If you look at the projects that are in the works for Austin, Houston, Dallas, and even San Antonio, you will see that they are constantly moving forward and innovating. Arizona, meanwhile, is just floating in the middle of a pool, every now and then sinking underneath the surface, hurriedly trying to regain the momentum of just floating aimlessly. It's just sad.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2014, 3:57 AM
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March 24th. Big news on that day about a major step forward in regard to what you're touching on. That's all I can say for now.
Oh such a tease! haha And I do hope you mean here, and not something cool in Austin or Texas.
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Has anyone seen this rendering of Luhrs Marriott...or the lower half of it anyway? I went through all 18 pages of this thread and did not see it posted anywhere...or maybe my work has blocked it.

Here it is anyway just in case. Sorry if it is posted elswhere.

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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 1:03 AM
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Has anyone seen this rendering of Luhrs Marriott...or the lower half of it anyway? I went through all 18 pages of this thread and did not see it posted anywhere...or maybe my work has blocked it.

Here it is anyway just in case. Sorry if it is posted elswhere.

Similar to the one posted on Squash the Industrial Congress Building

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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 3:59 PM
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Wow. I'd say identical with the exception of the facade of the first 4 floors and the color of the remaining levels.

Nice
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 4:33 PM
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Oh such a tease! haha And I do hope you mean here, and not something cool in Austin or Texas.
Wild guess but is it Tesla battery factory or is it someone's corporate headquarters?
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 4:34 PM
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I like the "new" (darker) version better. That stacked stone is starting to look horrible on suburban strip malls, it's the last thing that I would think would look good on a modern building in downtown phoenix.

The new one has some cool lines that remind me of some "1930s-1950s modern". The main corner column is pretty cool along with the overhang and how it's attached to the building - kind of old-school style. And I like the arrangement and shape of the windows much better in the new one. I'd still prefer trying to keep the facade of the existing Luhr's Central Building, but on it's own, I kind of like the look of this.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 8:34 PM
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HooverDam - - -HOW BIG OF A SURPRISE ARE YOU TALKING???? Bigger than a breadbox?
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 9:17 PM
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Much better! The earlier brick rendering looked like it belonged on Mill Ave.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2014, 10:59 PM
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HooverDam - - -HOW BIG OF A SURPRISE ARE YOU TALKING???? Bigger than a breadbox?
not a HQ or manufacturing plant. This is theoretically much bigger than that. However, the public announcement is likely being pushed back
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Bigger than those?!?!?!?!!!!! WOW! Is whatever this is, a done deal?

any hints or will that ruin Christmas?
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2014, 3:18 AM
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not a HQ or manufacturing plant. This is theoretically much bigger than that. However, the public announcement is likely being pushed back
By bigger, do you mean taller?
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2014, 1:05 PM
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that's where I was headed....
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2014, 3:25 PM
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It's not a done deal, no. And get physical buildings out of your head, it's nothing like that. Think more...long term massive overhaul of our regions economy, it's more ethereal than a building.
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