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Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 12:38 AM
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Metrolinx is a little peculiar in that its mandate doesn't include projects in Ottawa and K-W and yet the money's coming from the same place...weird.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 4:26 AM
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Metrolinx is a little peculiar in that its mandate doesn't include projects in Ottawa and K-W and yet the money's coming from the same place...weird.
I think most of the Ottawa and KW money is coming from the feds not the province.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 1:30 PM
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^Even weirder...for all kinds of reasons.

Ottawa would likely have a functional LRT line now if the Feds (Baird as I recall) hadn't stepped in. I can't remember what year that was...'06 or '07 perhaps?
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 3:05 AM
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I think most of the Ottawa and KW money is coming from the feds not the province.
In Waterloo Region, when the cost estimate was lower it was going to be 2/3 provincial, 1/3 federal funding. The final cost estimates of $818m splits into $300m that the province was willing to give, $265m federal (up to 1/3), and the remaining $253m are currently coming from Waterloo Region's tax base.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 6:23 AM
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^While that's a big chunk of change, it'll be well worth it.

Hamilton, on the other hand, will never make that deal. It's all or nothing.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 12:55 PM
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We're all going to pay for it. Watch for a Metrolinx tax rolling out soon. All those under Metrolinx's domain will have the option to go for the tax. Which will ensure a lively debate at council.
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^Elective taxation...interesting.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 3:56 PM
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We're all going to pay for it. Watch for a Metrolinx tax rolling out soon. All those under Metrolinx's domain will have the option to go for the tax. Which will ensure a lively debate at council.
I can't see many municipalities in the GTHA willing to add a special tax for LRT or any other form of public transit. It would be political suicide especially in this city.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2013, 7:19 PM
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Hamilton will also benefit from frequent GO service and electrification on the Lakeshore West line which are Metrolinx projects. Many Hamiltonians work and move within the GTA and need transportation options. Not all will keep their heads in the sand about the need for funding. Council is also elected to run the city, and at times they must stop grandstanding and make proper decisions.
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I think the city will jump for this. They get to approve someone else's tax. I think our council is pretty happy to spend but they're maxed out on property taxes, so any other sources will be welcome. That's not to say there won't be outrage from the traffic-loving masses.
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http://www.thespec.com/opinion/colum...till-a-big-fan

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He stands by his remarks that Hamilton won’t have to raise property taxes or create new taxes to help pay for the $800-million project.

But Murray says he should have been clearer that doesn’t mean the province intends to write a cheque for 100 per cent of the cost.

‘What we will be doing is we will be bringing some new solutions, some revenue tools for municipalities, including Hamilton, so that the only option that they will have (won’t) be to reach into their treasury or have to raise their taxes.”
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Murray argues there’s nothing more Canadian than return on investment financing for building infrastructure.

“I always said the best return on investment strategy in Canadian history was our national railway. If John A. Macdonald had not built the railway across bald prairie through some very steep mountains to a relatively small town on the Pacific coast, we wouldn’t have a country.

“Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay — all of the cities and all of that economy is essentially part of the return on investment for this small, bankrupt colonial government deciding to build a railway across a really huge country.”

Hamilton may not be able to count on special treatment, but Murray sure seems to be in its court.

He’s effusive about Hamilton’s potential and his catalogue of the city’s strengths — geographic location, harbour, airport, historic downtown, rail and highway connections, world-class university, stellar college — sound like a carbon copy of city manager Chris Murray’s LRT pitch to council

Minister Murray points out that after stepping down as mayor of Winnipeg, he told a journalist that the next political job he most wanted was to be mayor of Hamilton.

He’s not planning on running against Mayor Bob Bratina. “But I’m hoping that Hamilton will see me as a champion,” he said. “Hamilton has often been the overlooked city in Ontario and I’m hoping I can help change that.”
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Murray backtracks on LRT comments — but he’s still a big fan
(Hamilton Spectator, Andrew Dreschel, Mar 12 2013)

Transportation Minister Glen Murray is apologizing for comments about funding Hamilton’s LRT system that landed him in hot water.

Whether you call it controlling damage or clarifying, Murray is taking full responsibility for suggesting Hamilton won’t be expected to make a capital contribution for its proposed LRT system.

He stands by his remarks that Hamilton won’t have to raise property taxes or create new taxes to help pay for the $800-million project.

But Murray says he should have been clearer that doesn’t mean the province intends to write a cheque for 100 per cent of the cost.

‘What we will be doing is we will be bringing some new solutions, some revenue tools for municipalities, including Hamilton, so that the only option that they will have (won’t) be to reach into their treasury or have to raise their taxes.”

Murray’s comments to The Spectator last week raised concerns in Kitchener-Waterloo and Mississauga — which are wrestling with funding their own transit projects — that the province intends to give Hamilton special treatment.

Murray says that’s not the case and he should have made it clearer that city will be expected to help fund some of its project.

On the surface, that’s bad news for Hamilton, which, citing its lack of fiscal capacity compared to other Greater Toronto Hamilton Area municipalities, is unabashedly asking for special consideration.

But in a telephone interview, Murray said though the province intends to treat all municipalities “fairly and equitably,’ it doesn’t mean it will take a “cookie cutter” approach.

He says the province recognizes Hamilton’s unique challenges and will offer some new fiscal tools and strategic partnerships being developed by Metrolinx, the provincial transit planning agency.

“Some of those may be tools that the province puts together and we’ll take responsibility for raising the revenue. Some of them will be new tools that will allow Hamilton to raise some new revenue from different sources.”

Murray says the tools might include return on investment financing, which basically uses the revenue generated by capital spending on infrastructure projects to help pay for the projects.

Though out-of-towners may have feared Murray’s original comments indicated Hamilton was getting a free transit ride, Hamilton suspected there would be strings attached.

Lloyd Ferguson speculated the province might be looking at using new LRT-related tax assessment growth to fund the project. Murray acknowledges that is a potential option. He says it wouldn’t pay for 100 per cent of the cost, but it would pay for a significant part and then once the line was paid for the taxes would fully stay with Hamilton.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 12:45 AM
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Glen Murray's a good man. He helped turn Winnipeg around - can you imagine what he'd do as mayor of Hamilton? Dare to dream...
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 12:54 AM
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If Bratina won't be a strong advocate for LRT Glen Murray will step in.

It's refreshing to have a Transport Minister not just focused on roads and highways.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 9:31 PM
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We are fortunate Glen Murray got the post for transportation minister. I'm liking this new Liberal government already. Also considering Andrea Horwath's recent manouvering, I would vote Liberal if there was an election coming up.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2013, 11:06 AM
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Ditto. I used to vote NDP in provincial elections because I thought it was the 'best thing' for Hamilton. Those days are long over.
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I think most of the Ottawa and KW money is coming from the feds not the province.
The biggest portion of Ottawa's LRT costs are coming from Ottawa itself.

City of Ottawa - $900,000,000
Province - $600,000,000
Federal - $600,000,000
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2013, 5:47 AM
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The biggest portion of Ottawa's LRT costs are coming from Ottawa itself.

City of Ottawa - $900,000,000
Province - $600,000,000
Federal - $600,000,000
If they ever get it built. Has their council approved it yet. The battle there makes anything in Hamilton look relatively tame.
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If they ever get it built. Has their council approved it yet. The battle there makes anything in Hamilton look relatively tame.
Yes contracts are signed, subcontractors are signed, work has already began. Tunnel digging later this year.
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2013, 1:30 AM
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Between the city, the province, the feds, the NCC...sweet Jesus! It's a miracle anything ever gets done in Ottawa. Congrats!
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