NEW YORK | 15 Penn Plaza (Hotel Penn) | 1,200 FT / 388 M | 61 FLOORS - Page 88

JMKeynes · #**1741** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 4:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

First of all, you quoted my post in your previous response. Check post #1739.

Second, you are blind if you think only New York is capable of building high-quality towers. I mean, New York City isn't even building the towers, individual developers are doing so. And many of the same developers - SOM, Studio Gang, RAMSA, and many others - are active in other cities in the United State and around the world. My original post didn't even compare NYC to other cities in the US. You shifted the conversation and conveniently failed to consider that many other cities around the world are also building high-quality skyscrapers. You're being myopic if you think NYC towers are on some plane of existence above everyone else. There are many towers being proposed in NYC, like 15 Penn (bringing it back to this discussion) that are atrocious in their design. There is no elegance in this, nothing other than brutal height and mass. For every 1 Vanderbilt, there are half a dozen Gene Kaufman designs in this city. Cherry picking only the cream of crop doesn't really help your argument. It's ok to look at something and just accept that it isn't the best. Hopefully, something nicer and more refined will be built next to it.

Are you taking a rhetoric class at SUNY Stonybrook? You take this a bit seriously. Relax, dude.

mrnyc · #**1742** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 5:10 PM**

i hope to wake up tomorrow morning to see that penn15 will rise.

tee hee hee

UpwithOlives · #**1743** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 5:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by BuildThemTaller

I mean, New York City isn't even building the towers, individual developers are doing so. And many of the same developers - SOM, Studio Gang, RAMSA, .

SOM, Studio Gang, RAMSA are architectural firms, not developers. Developers hire them to design their buildings/projects.

TonyNYC · #**1744** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 5:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by mrnyc

i hope to wake up tomorrow morning to see that penn15 will rise.

tee hee hee

I hope to wake up tomorrow morning to see that Penn15 Will NOT rise!

BuildThemTaller · #**1745** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 6:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by UpwithOlives

SOM, Studio Gang, RAMSA are architectural firms, not developers. Developers hire them to design their buildings/projects.

Poor choice of word on my part. Those are architecture firms. Related, Tischman Speyer, et al, are developers and active in other cities in the US as well.

NYguy · #**1746** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 6:30 PM**

People, this isn’t a thread about architectural trends around the world. It’s a thread for 15 Penn, or Penn 15 if you like it that way. Post accordingly. You can have your architectural debate elsewhere.

SkyHigher · #**1747** Posted **Jan 11, 2022, 9:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee

What's that expression about something being in the eye of the beholder?

Beauty is in the eye of the value engineering?

NYguy · #**1748** Posted **Jan 23, 2022, 10:45 PM**

Permit for elevator use during demo...

Some crane info as well...

chris08876 · #**1749** Posted **Jan 24, 2022, 3:37 AM**

Looks like Google Maps is seeing the future.

Already using the marketing name.

Business Center!

I do want to know though what the guy was thinking when he wrote "train station with helpful staff" and "very clean and amazing workers". Just on a philosophical note. Ain't nothing helpful or clean about Penn Station. It's the opposite! Clean is when there are only two vomit stains heading to track 5... not 3... but two!

gttx · #**1750** Posted **Jan 24, 2022, 1:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

...or Penn 15 if you like it that way.

gttx · #**1751** Posted **Jan 24, 2022, 1:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by UpwithOlives

SOM, Studio Gang, RAMSA are architectural firms, not developers. Developers hire them to design their buildings/projects.

Can confirm. We do not make developer money.

NYguy · #**1752** Posted **Jan 24, 2022, 4:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by chris08876

Looks like Google Maps is seeing the future.

Already using the marketing name.

Business Center!

I noticed Vornado has also been putting up Penn District signs on development sites.

mrnyc · #**1753** Posted **Jan 24, 2022, 6:13 PM**

^ yes can confirm i saw that too -- and also i have seen the demo crew carting stuff out of the hotel.

Lincolnlover2005 · #**1754** Posted **Jan 25, 2022, 5:33 PM**

Wow! That Penn15 is huge! It’s so big, long, and thick! I bet when it’s completed the owners will be throbbing with excitement! Building this is going to be long and hard, but in the end, it’ll climax with a burst of creativity!

JMKeynes · #**1755** Posted **Jan 25, 2022, 10:26 PM**

The version that tapers at the top is still what Vornado's website shows.

NYguy · #**1756** Posted **Jan 26, 2022, 4:47 AM**

^ That’s what it is currently.

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Originally Posted by mrnyc

^ yes can confirm i saw that too -- and also i have seen the demo crew carting stuff out of the hotel.

Yeah, they’ve been doing the pre-demo stuff. We’ll start to see visible demo taking shape this year.

JMKeynes · #**1757** Posted **Jan 26, 2022, 11:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

^ That’s what it is currently.

Yeah, they’ve been doing the pre-demo stuff. We’ll start to see visible demo taking shape this year.

I thought that some people were saying that there’s a new version that doesn’t taper.

NYguy · #**1758** Posted **Jan 31, 2022, 4:58 PM**

^ Just go with what’s official.

https://untappedcities.com/2022/01/3...-pennsylvania/

AT NYC’S HOTEL PENNSYLVANIA, INTERIOR DEMOLITION HAS BEGUN

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New York is about to lose the historic Hotel Pennsylvania. Demolition of the 103-year-old Beaux-Arts structure designed by McKim, Mead & White began last week in earnest. Dump trucks and garbage compactors stand by on 32nd and 33rd Streets as a constant stream of crushed metal, glass, and cinder blocks are hauled away by construction workers. While the exterior of the building and the physical structure itself likely won’t be demolished for another couple of weeks, the current interior demolition work goes far beyond the removal of mattresses and furniture that occurred last November.

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The demolition of the Hotel Pennsylvania is part of Governor Kathy Hochul’s Pennsylvania Station Area Civic and Land Use Improvement Project. This plan entails razing all buildings in a three-block area surrounding Penn Station and replacing them with glass office towers akin to that of Hudson Yards. The project is being spearheaded by the Empire State Development Corporation, which held the second of two public hearings on its plans last Thursday. Over 450 people attended and 259 spoke during the public comment period, with 85% of those who spoke opposing the project. Many advocated for a reorientation of the Governor’s project away from real estate development and toward modernizing Penn Station along the lines of ReThinkNYC’s proposal. Instead of more glossy high rises, many commented that Penn Station should be brought out of Madison Square Garden’s basement, have its platforms widened, and be converted into a European-style through-running station.

Again with the misinformation. Anyone who can do minimal research would know the hotel has long been planned for demolition by Vornado. It has nothing to do with the governor’s plan.

Busy Bee · #**1759** Posted **Jan 31, 2022, 5:21 PM**

^Even more disappointing considering Untapped Cities should know better.

gttx · #**1760** Posted **Jan 31, 2022, 5:42 PM**

"This plan entails razing all buildings in a three-block area surrounding Penn Station..."

What? Was this article written by an algorithm or an intern?