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Old Posted Oct 11, 2015, 11:25 PM
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Asthma Vapineze /St Vibiana relics

The sign looks quite cheerful in color:

justabovesunset


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Speaking of mysteries, where'd St Vibiana go? Her reliquary above the altar, containing her wax-encased, silk-dressed bones doesn't appear in the shot above. Where were the relics stored after this remodel, before they were transferred (and entombed) at the new cathedral?

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I think I found the answer to that. See here

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mausoleum, no location given.


Kevin McCollister, http://jimsonweed.blogspot.com/2009_04_01_archive.html



No location, No problem.....this commentator gave away the location.


https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...5192033&bpli=1

I found it especially interesting what he had to say about the four large statues.

tovanger2, I recall your excellent research on Hollywood Forever. Do you know what "courtyard" this commentator is talking about?
And was it really planned to go behind the mausoleum?
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Court of the Apostles, Hollywood Forever

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tovanger2, Do you know what "courtyard" this commentator is talking about?
And was it really planned to go behind the mausoleum?

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Yes, it's said that the Court of the Apostles was to be behind Cathedral Mausoleum, but I've never seen a drawing. I don't know if this was in addition to or instead of the massive addition once planned for Cathedral Mausoleum. A couple of sites say this was to be a memorial for Valentino. I don't know about that, just that Valentino's burial was supposed to be temporary, until something grander could be pulled together.

Allen Ellenberger has a good post here about the various plans that never panned out in that corner of Hollywood Forever, but doesn't elaborate on the Court of the Apostles.

One can see the empty area behind Cathedral Mausoleum below:

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A C.C. Pierce aerial (looking south) is below. Santa Monica Blvd runs along the bottom margin of the photograph. Notice that the southern part of the lake has been drained. This area will later be used for Douglas Fairbanks memorial and reflecting pond.

Brunton Studios has 26 acres, north of Melrose, bought from the cemetery association (this parcel and more was later Paramount Studios). South of Melrose, at the southeast corner of Melrose and Van Ness, is Billy Clune's studio, now Raleigh Studios

usc c.c. pierce collection
"Court of the Apostles" is actually marked on this 2008 map, but not any others I've seen (sorry, I couldn't make it larger):

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IRL (and there's Doug Fairbanks in the bottom of the former lake):

google maps

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On June 10 2009, ethereal_reality started this amazing thread, kicking it off with a beautiful shot of downtown L.A., taken on New Year's Eve, 1951. It's a wonderful and somewhat mysterious photo, that has never really gotten an in depth analysis here. I started thinking about this shot about a year ago, and thought it would be terrific to capture a "now" version of e_r's first contribution here.

Like many Noirish photo and research projects, the task seemed to grow exponentially once I dived into it! But it's been great fun, and I'm finally ready to share my findings here. I'll present this in at least two posts. This first one will address the original image and the more important buildings in the scene. In the next one I'll post a modern view of this scene and discuss some changes that have taken place in this view of the skyline over downtown Los Angeles.

Here's the original photo that e_r saw on the USC site and posted here:


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/se...1/order/nosort

Since then USC has revamped their site, moving to higher resolution zoom-able, scroll-able images. As some here have discovered, with a little effort one can now zoom in to capture an image in sections, and then stitch those sections together, to create a complete, large, hi-res image. You could probably wallpaper your bedroom with this image, by using the highest possible resolution and stitching maybe 100 images. I haven't gone that far, but to get a nicer version of the original photo I stitched 3 portions of the panorama, which gave me a 3519 x 2178 pixel file. If I attached it here you wouldn't be able to see the whole image on any normal size monitor, so I also created a 1200 pixel wide version for this post, which appears below. But I've also put a full size version on my server, and you can see it at http://wwww.dkse.net/david/NYE51/_USC.composite.jpg. Both of these newer versions are clearer and more detailed. (I was tempted to touch them up a bit in Photoshop, but decided not to.)


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/se...1/order/nosort

I believe that the original photo was taken near Lilac Avenue, north of Centennial St. and Beaudry Ave. I'll discuss the exact location in detail in my next post, but for now here's a map of the area, with a circle representing the approximate locale and an arrow showing the direction of the center of the shot:


https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0452...18.2232483,12z

Allow me to set the stage a bit. The 110 freeway (Arroyo Parkway) had already been built through the old Figueroa roadway but it turned into surface streets north of the 101 section downtown, which was not completed until 1954. But the 101 (Santa Ana) freeway downtown was completed after the photo was taken, in 1954. Union Station and Terminal Annex had long since been completed, but Chavez Ravine was still intact. Demolition of the residential neighborhoods in the ravine would not begin until 1959, and the Stadium did not open until 1962. One's eye is invariably drawn to the "sea of light" in the middle of the image. I've got to think that since it was New Year's Eve, the city was very busy and noisy. Here's my annotated version of it:


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/se...1/order/nosort

Let's jump in and appreciate some of the buildings and details in this marvelous shot. To identify them, here's yet another version of the photo with annotations, numbered 1-17. I'll start from the right, with the better known structures. The large Civic Center buildings will be familiar to most readers here, but I have a few comments about them, too. (And BTW, it's quite possible that I've gotten some details wrong here. If you spot an error, please feel free to correct me, either on the thread or by PM.)

The distinctive, ornamental Hall Of Records (1) at the right edge of the frame was built between 1909 and 1912, and demolished in 1973. Sited in alignment the an early street plan, it lay at an angle to the Civic Center area's current grid layout.

Next we have the Hall Of Justice (2) and behind it, of course, City Hall (3). The former was built in 1926 but was heavily damaged by the 1994 Northridge earthquake. A major renovation began in 2011 and the building is set to reopen October 8, 2014. Our iconic City Hall, built in 1928, needs to introduction and if you don't know this building, you have have clicked on the wrong thread. But if you look closely at the two buildings, you can see that the upper left corner of the Hall Of Justice roof lines up with the left edge of City Hall. You can also see that 7 stories of City Hall's center section are visible above the hall Of Justice roof. I used these two clues (among others) to locate and match the place where the photographer stood when the original image was captured. To the left of City Hall we have an excellent view the Federal Building with its stepped lower floors (4).

With number 5, the scene gets a little more interesting. This is the Brunswig Square building, on the south side of 2nd St., between San Pedro and Central. Note the water tank atop the roof. The building dates from the 1920's and was renovated in the 1980's. Here's a period photo from USC, with the building mid frame, the angled intersection of 2nd and Central to the building's left. (The water tower is there but it's a bit hard to see.) The building still stands minus water tank; a modern post-renovation image follows the older one. (Thank you to Michael Ryerson for identifying this building, and several others in the image.)


http://Looking south-east down Welle...ngton, ca.1939




http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=2593

Number 6 is another Brunswig buiding, the 5 story "Annex". This structure was on the west side of the New High St. extension, slightly east of Spring St. and about midway between Sunset and the 101. In this photo from 1953 we see it on the right, sandwiched below Spring St. and above New High, the narrow angled alley. The 101, under construction, dominates the left side of the image. South of New High we see the Vickrey-Brunswig building, still standing and now fully restored. (There were many Brunswig buildings downtown, and making sense of them and their confusing nicknames was rather tricky. Thanks again to Michael Ryerson for helping with this.) The Brunswig Annex was built in about 1910, and demolished in 2007. (EDIT: Per ProphetM, the building was demolished in 2001, per to an article in the L.A. Times.)


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/3424/rec/1

Here's a snip from another aerial, that reveals its location west of the Plaza. It looks a bit isolated:


http://www.lapl.org/

Amidst the "sea of light" in the center is number 7, the clock tower campanile near the main entrance of Union Station. Exactly in front of the clock tower we see the Sunset Hotel (8), on the Northwest corner of Spring and Ord. (Because of the way the hotel is lit in the exposure it looks like two separate buildings but this really is one structure, aligned east-west. To the immediate left of the Sunset, dark and barely visible, is the San Fernando Hotel (9). Below is an old shot from the opposite direction, that shows the Sunset with its 3 distinctive turrets, with the less ornate San Fernando Hotel on the right. I don't know when these structures were built, or when they were demolished. (EDIT: ProphetM advises that Michael Ryerson and FredH researched these hotels earlier in the thread and determined that both of these structures were reduced to one story some years ago, and still stand in that condition.)


http://www.ebay.com

Number 10 (directly in line with Sunset Hotel) is the Castelar Elementary School in Chinatown, bounded by Yale, College, and Hill Streets. (This section of Hill Street was previously named Castelar Street.) Opened in the 1880's Castelar is the second oldest surviving schools in Los Angeles. In e_r's original photo we see it's distinctive A-frame roof, with a round feature in the center. The original main building has been replaced by newer construction in other parts of the block, but at least one of the early out buildings survives.

Number 11 is Terminal Annex, bathed in light and easily recognized by its massive size, with two round turrets that face Alameda St. A postal facility built to process all of L.A.'s incoming and outgoing mail, Terminal Annex opened in 1940. It closed in 1989 but the customer service windows in its ornate lobby remain open.

At number 12 we have an oddly attractive collection of gas holders (gasometers), perrenial NLA favorites. I've read that the biggest of thee monsters was 300 feet high, the taller than any downtown building for a number of years. These three main ones were on a block bounded by Ducommun, Center, and Commercial streets. The 300 footer, on the Northwest corner of Commercial and Vignes, held ten million cubic feet of gas, half the amount used by L.A. at the time on an average day. The undated but pre-101 aerial below shows them pretty clearly, with that 300 foot monster in front.


http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/...930s%20BEV.pdf

Number 13 is what I've been calling (for lack of a better or more official name) the railroad service building, on the Northwest corner of Alpine and Spring. The building still stands and is now called The Metro at Chinatown Senior Lofts:


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q7bToFxQlT...inatown-15.jpg

Number 14 is our old friend Little Joe's. The Joe's building had at least two locations and a few iterations -- in this view we see it as a two story building, topped by the distinctive skeleton key sign. Look at the NYE photo closely; you can actually see the restaurant name on the sign.


http://kim-reynolds.blogspot.com/201...estaurant.html

Number 15 is a mystery building, whose identity has eluded me thus far. I think Its location must be close to Main and College or Rondout, or near Vignes and Bauchet. where the Men's Jail and Twin Towers jail were built. The Los Angeles Pressed Brick Company later acquired by Gladding, McBean & Company) had several buildings in this area over the years, and my hunch is that #15, which appears to have a group of chimneys that face Northwest, is the Gladding, McBean facility on or near Date Street, near the present day intersection of Vignes and Bauchet. The location is very close and chimneys face the right direction but something does not quite square. Perhaps someone else can help ID this one, which I have pondered for many hours. Here's a USC photo -- it's dated 1928 but I think it must have been later: North of the plant we see the large group of railway tracks coming from the East, which curve and head down towards Union Station. This aerial shot from USC looks Northwest:


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/13529/rec/1

EDIT: HossC determined that this is the Southern California Gas Plant, near the southwest corner of Keller and Macy/Sunset.

At Number 19 we have the Sear's building, way out on the South Side of Olympic, near Boyle Ave. This was about 9 miles from the photographer's location!


boyle heights pic-viewfromaloft.typepad.com

The chimneys in number 21 (identified by HossC) are part of the Gas & Electric Co. power plant, at the northeast corner of Alameda and Factory Place.

A few comments on some of the roads seen in the foreground: #18 is a short section of Chavez Ravine Road that is now Stadium Way. At #17 we see a small section of the Figueroa St. extension. (If we were higher up Figueroa / Arroyo Parkway would be seen extending horizontally all the way across the shot, but the hillside blocks our view of it, and just a small chunk is visible here. Finally, I believe that #16 is a section of Lilac Terrace with chain link fence near the right shoulder. #20 is a section of Bunker Hill Drive, between New Depot and Alpine Streets.

So there you have it. No doubt many more of these buildings can be identified, including perhaps some around The Plaza, but one has to stop somewhere. If others here can ID more of these I'll try to update the annotated version when I have time. Apologies in advance for any errors, there are probably several. I'll revise the post with any corrections that are pointed out.

In my second post on this topic, I'll include one or two "now" photos. The panorama has changed drastically and while I hope you'll enjoy the now views that are coming, let me warn you the scene won't be nearly as interesting as what the original photographer saw, standing on the Chavez Ravine hillside on New Year's Eve, 1951.
You have done a tremendous job on this bit of research! I just want to add a little detail to it from the perspective of the gas & Electric companies of the day.

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Excellent, thanks Gastorical!

I don't believe we've visited the Hollywood Hawaiian Hotel & Apartment Suites on NLA.

"Corner of Yucca & Grace"
Hollywood, California.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/zilf/771416719

I love this courtyard area, is so....Hollywoody.
and I hear it's pretty much intact.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/zilf/771416719



I also dug up this bit of ephemera.


eBay




eBay





Today it's known as the Princess Grace Apartments. (it's rather difficult to see for all the foliage)


gsv



Here is pretty much the same angle with less trees and bushes.


http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/k...ncessgrace.htm



side-view (equally lush)

gsv



The Hollywood Hawaiian/Princess Grace complex is much larger than you'd expect. (red arrow)



The large building on the right is the classic Lido Apts.

The back corner of the Lido is visible in the postcard view of the pool at the top of the post.
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I just happened across this impressive photograph on eBay.

"Los Angeles, 1915." (I'd love to know what street this is) -could that possibly be a Greene & Greene on the right?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1915-Great-...Car-Craftsman-
Bungalow-/252118267807?hash=item3ab36b779f

This car is quite odd looking. -so where did they put the motor?
(and there appears to be a cover of some sort on the steps)

If you look closely at the house on the left, there's a street number that might be 310...or 319.
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one more thing
-notice how the car is so shiny you can almost see the houses behind the photographer.



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One more eBay find before I sign off for the evening.


"George's Barber Shop and Shining Parlor, 102 East Ninth St. 104. Los Angeles Cal." 1900-1910s


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item35f30a0ec4

I'm not sure what's covering the barber chairs. (they look like bishop's hats)


here's the reverse / with additional information:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item35f30a0ec4

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So there was a school near Washington and 12th street. I tried looking into it, but I keep getting results from Utah because there was a school in that state with the same intersection names. I think someone posted about it before, but I can't quite remember. Here's a snippet of it from historic aerials.
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Notice that every man wears a hat according to his status in life. High status man gets to wear the bowler [r]....and down from there. They're all as uniform conscious as Cub Scouts and nuns.

If you want the boss...see the man with the bowler.
In reality, I'd be surprised if most college students a century ago didn't disdain bowler as something their dads would wear. Judging from most photos I've seen from this period, I think those flat cloth caps were at least as popular among young men as baseball caps are today.
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Andy Hardy Gets A BJ

Mickey Rooney has always amazed me. The fact that this average looking guy at 5' 2" tall could marry
the likes of Ava Gardner, Marth Vickers, "Miss Muscle Beach", and others gives him an 11 on my wow meter.
If this new story is true, I would have to bump him up to a 12.

According to a new book, "The Life and Times of Mickey Rooney", a 14 year old Elizabeth Taylor was on her
knees servicing a mid-twenties Rooney in his dressing room when his pregnant wife busted in and broke up
the flute playing. The story in the New York Post is below.






Elizabeth Taylor and Mickey Rooney in 1944's "National Velvet"
Photo: MGM

Mickey Rooney — the stage and screen legend who was married eight times — had an affair with Elizabeth Taylor
when she was just 14 and he was married to his second spouse, according to an explosive new book.

In “The Life and Times of Mickey Rooney,” out Oct. 20 from Gallery Books, Richard A. Lertzman and William J. Birnes
report that Pam McClenathan — a pal and caregiver to Rooney’s second wife, Betty Jane — revealed: “Betty Jane . . .
told me she went to visit Mickey at [an LA film studio] around June 1946. She had [the couple’s first son] Mickey Jr.
in tow and was pregnant with [second son] Timmy . . . When she opened the door to the dressing room, Elizabeth Taylor
was on her knees giving Mickey a b - - w job.”

McClenathan said Taylor — who starred with Rooney in the 1944 classic “National Velvet” — was just 14 at the time.
Rooney was in his mid-20s. “After that, all hell broke loose,” McClenathan told the authors, recalling that Betty Jane later
“got a top attorney and big settlement, but [she] really was not happy after that. She wanted a faithful husband.”

Betty Jane was a backup singer for the likes of Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra and Sam Cooke, and she and Rooney divorced
in 1949. Eight days after the split was official, Betty Jane married composer Buddy Baker.

According to the book, a basic agreement was drawn up to pay Betty Jane $15,000 per year for 15 years — plus $12,000
in medical and legal costs. But she rescinded the agreement when her lawyer said Rooney was fraudulently “hiding his real
income and assets.” Rooney then also paid $25,000 in cash to settle the dispute.

Rooney, who died last year at 93, had said of Betty Jane, “We just weren’t compatibly compatible.” His harem of wives also
included Artie Shaw’s and Frank Sinatra’s future spouse Ava Gardner, Martha Vickers and Marge Lane — whom 5-foot-2
Rooney married for 100 days. Of course, Taylor also went on to rack up seven husbands.

A rep for the late Rooney told us, “I have no knowledge of said incident.”
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1915-Great-...Car-Craftsman-
Bungalow-/252118267807?hash=item3ab36b779f

This car is quite odd looking. -so where did they put the motor?
(and there appears to be a cover of some sort on the steps)

If you look closely at the house on the left, there's a street number that might be 310...or 319.
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one more thing
-notice how the car is so shiny you can almost see the houses behind the photographer.





I believe the car is a Detroit Electric - no engine.
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Black Lacquer Paint Job

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I just happened across this impressive photograph on eBay.

"Los Angeles, 1915." (I'd love to know what street this is) -could that possibly be a Greene & Greene on the right?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1915-Great-...Car-Craftsman-
Bungalow-/252118267807?hash=item3ab36b779f

This car is quite odd looking. -so where did they put the motor?
(and there appears to be a cover of some sort on the steps)

If you look closely at the house on the left, there's a street number that might be 310...or 319.
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one more thing
-notice how the car is so shiny you can almost see the houses behind the photographer.



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Nothing better than a black lacquer paint job on a 1910 or so Baker Electric car for the lady.
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Montezuma Saloon

You're very close, but no cigar.

The Montezuma was in the Plaza Firehouse, which evidently was an actual firehouse only in the earliest period of its existence.

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A rare photograph showing the Montezuma Saloon. (1890s? 1900s?)



old file of mine/prob. from eBay



I located the saloon in the 1900-1901 city directory.


lapl



That address places the Montezuma Saloon along this stretch of N. Los Angeles Street.


gsv

Could it have been in that shorter building to the right of the 1890 Garnier Building?
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A year ago , HossC spotted a Montezuma Inn at the intersection of Figueroa, Flower and Temple.

Here: (sixth photo down)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23533
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Plaza Fire House



That's already been straightened out. See HossC's post here

Anyway, here's a shot from the 1950s showing Plaza Fire House with "Montezuma" and "Chop Suey" ghost signs:

lapl

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1915-Great-...Car-Craftsman-
Bungalow-/252118267807?hash=item3ab36b779f

This car is quite odd looking. -so where did they put the motor?
(and there appears to be a cover of some sort on the steps)

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As noted by others, electric power.












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http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/14400/rec/10

. . . . .
Guessing the So Cal Edison Co. responsible for these images made a conscious effort to play up the virtues of modern mechanization/electrification and downplay or ignore the horse and buggy age. May be pure coincidence, but there may even be an electric vehicle in the first picture.






















A Detroit, Milburn or Baker, maybe? ^^^^ (Per 1917CD Anderson Electric Car listed as "manufacturers of the Detroit Electric" 1715 W 7th)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ElectricAd.jpg



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VkluANAxB_...lectric+ad.jpg



http://chuckstoyland.com/national/el...12%20color.jpg







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http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1915-Great-...Car-Craftsman-
Bungalow-/252118267807?hash=item3ab36b779f

This car is quite odd looking. -so where did they put the motor?
(and there appears to be a cover of some sort on the steps)

If you look closely at the house on the left, there's a street number that might be 310...or 319.
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one more thing
-notice how the car is so shiny you can almost see the houses behind the photographer.

I believe the car is a Detroit Electric - no engine.

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And I’ve never heard of this theater before, the Bay Theater, 15140 W. Sunset Boulevard. Grand Opening 1948. Showing The Paleface.

LAPL

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Cinema Treasures

15140 must be way out in Pacific Palisades or vicinity.
Converted to a double theatre in the 70’s; a hardware store in 1980.
Julius Shulman visited the Bay Theatre a year after it opened. Sadly, there's only one photograph in this set. It's "Job 518: Bay Theatre (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1949".


Getty Research Institute

Here's a color picture from cinematreasures.org.


cinematreasures.org

Martin Pal mentioned that the theater became a hardware store in 1980. It's still a hardware store today.


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It's a shame they didn't keep the concave front. (perhaps they needed the extra room)

Thanks for the information on the electric car noirishers.
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Brookmore Hotel, "Marengo at Walnut", Pasadena Cal.

At first I didn't think the Brookmore was still standing, but then I eyed it down the street a bit...surrounded on both sides by a new apartment complex.


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-it's missing the pointy things on top.

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It also has a neat old neon sign out front.


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With all that massive new construction I'm surprised it wasn't knocked down. -perhaps it was saved because it's historically significant. -does anyone know?
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I have seen an image of a "Trolley" car no. "1337" with an "S" on its roof = identified as Third Street crossing La Brea, with a building in the back bearing the name "Majestic." Not certain, but the weather vane topping one round, barrel tiled, structure looks similar to that on top of Trader Joes at Third and La Brea. In an attempt to locate the picture, I am reminded that Majestic was the name of an upholsterer on Wilshire and later La Brea.

One site indicates that that street car may have been part of the Yellow car "R" line http://www.tundria.com/trams/USA/LosAngeles-1941.shtml Aside from the mystery picture mentioned above, are there any pictures of the La Brea-Third St. terminus? Could there have once been a turnabout, or did the cars merely reverse direction? I am also mindful of prior posts describing the nursery on the NE corner of 3rd and La Brea, and open space on the SW corner.


An excerpt from this ~1929 map appears to delineate the "R" line on Third Street.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/4117/rec/2



1935 Street Car Map








This seems to be a view of the La Brea and Third Street intersection, facing west on Third. Some things seem to match up, others do not. The structure bearing the name "Majestic" resembles eastern side of the the Trader Joe's facing La Brea, depicted here: http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=10721 But the silhouettes of the surrounding structures to the west and northwest are unfamiliar. If my general bearings are correct, some of the mystery silhouettes belonged to a Catholic Seminary (Los Angeles Jr. Seminary) that later became Daniel Murphy High School. The Original structure was built in 1926 and due to seismic challenges, a new replacement was constructed in 1966. http://www.noblealumni.com/about.html

Would appreciate seeing a better version of this image. Do not have source for the original.






Los Angeles Junior Seminary, circa 1926. (241 S. Detroit St.) Surprising that more photos of this imposing campus are not more abundant.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics40/00054599.jpg



Replacement structure (Daniel Murphy HS)
http://www.noblealumni.com/images/image001.jpg



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