Will the US see an uptick in European/Caucasian Immigration?

[RST500]

Big increase in people looking to leave South Africa:

https://businesstech.co.za/news/life...rce=newsletter

[yaletown_fella]

I dont see why there will be an uptick from Europe, especially considering the US has no universal healthcare, little affordable housing and decreasing upward mobility.

[jbermingham123]

Originally Posted by RST500

Big increase in people looking to leave South Africa:

https://businesstech.co.za/news/life...rce=newsletter

Yeah South Africa's years are numbered at this point. Every day it looks less like a Western society and more like an African one.. where the cost of security required to protect civilized human activity often exceeds the value that the activity itself is able to produce.

The enforcement of laws ultimately requires the credible threat of deadly force, and if that threat isnt backed up by actual use of deadly force when needed, then it ceases to be a credible threat. Given the history there, even basic societal maintenance still reeks of oppression on some level, and at this point I just dont think the developed pockets of SA are willing to maintain themselves with force anymore; the costs keep going up and the visuals of law enforcement and endless gated communities make for constant bad press no matter what they do or say, so its a lose-lose situation. I think the jig is up, and its only a matter of time until the bluff is called.

[homebucket]

I highly doubt it. In terms of quality of life, the US ranks behind many of the European countries. And the ones that rank below the US are probably more likely to immigrate to the European countries that are above the US. If the primary motivation to immigrate is to seek a better life, staying put in Europe is probably the best option.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...-life-rankings

[Camelback]

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella

I dont see why there will be an uptick from Europe, especially considering the US has no universal healthcare, little affordable housing and decreasing upward mobility.

There is a ton of affordable housing in the US. Ie: The Midwest, Deep South, Appalachia, rural areas outside of metropolitan areas.

Go on Zillow, set the filter for maximum rent of $900/month. Here's a 2 bedroom 700 sft house with a yard, outside of Detroit for $875/month.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...83524307_zpid/

There are a lot of Eastern Europeans that would come here in a heartbeat, Ukraine for one, Armenia has huge communities. Those areas are always on the brink of some conflict, refugee crisis scenario.

[Crawford]

I don't think socialized healthcare and cheap housing are high on priority list of most immigrants. Europe generally has more expensive housing than the U.S., BTW.

The areas with essentially worthless housing, like rural Southern Italy and rural western parts of Spain, have no immigration. The areas with the most expensive housing, like Zurich and Munich, have tons of immigration. And Switzerland, the most immigrant-heavy European nation, doesn't have socialized medicine, it has mandatory private insurance.

In any case, the U.S. won't be getting much European immigration because A. It's extremely difficult to immigrate here and B. Europe has open borders, and plenty of prosperous regions, so no reason to wait 10 years to move halfway around the world, you can just pick up and move a few hours away at anytime.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Camelback

There is a ton of affordable housing in the US. Ie: The Midwest, Deep South, Appalachia, rural areas outside of metropolitan areas.

Go on Zillow, set the filter for maximum rent of $900/month. Here's a 2 bedroom 700 sft house with a yard, outside of Detroit for $875/month.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2...83524307_zpid/

Eastpointe is a declining, high-crime near-slum, drained by white flight. It's basically an extension of Northeast Detroit, which is the worst part of Detroit. Immigrants aren't headed to Eastpointe.

And immigrants aren't gonna go to the Deep South, Appalachia, rural areas, etc. They came here to work and start businesses. The fact that you can buy a home in rural West Virginia (or rural Sicily for that matter) for $1 is irrelevant.

[dc_denizen]

lol at universal healthcare being a consideration

as for economic mobility, that's racial issue unlikely to be relevant to European immigrants: https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...omic-mobility/

[bossabreezes]

Definitely not.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I don't think socialized healthcare and cheap housing are high on priority list of most immigrants.

If you're from a poor or developing country, universal health care would be lower down the list of priorities. You'll likely go despite that negative. For people in the developed world, it's a big issue. For many (myself included) it's an absolute deal breaker. When you're used to universal services (health care, fire department, policing, public education) you're not keen to give it up. I flat out won't.

The lack of universal health care in the US lowers the appeal of the US to European/Caucasian immigrants (thread title) substantially. The US can do what it wants, of course, but there are consequences for that. A ton of Europeans looking to emigrate opt for NZ, Australia, and Canada instead. When asked why European immigrants choose Canada over the US, universal health care comes up every time. They cite it as one of the things that tipped the scale in Canada's favour.

European born make up a far higher share of overall immigrants in those 3 countries vs the US. People from affluent countries demand the same standards they enjoy in their home country. If country A doesn't meet that standard but country B does, where do you think they're going? The US still gets immigration from Europe but to assume it's not an issue is an oversight. It's a BIG deterrent.


% of Population European Born

Toronto 9.79%
Vancouver 6.77%
Montreal 6.54%
New York 4.20%
Chicago 3.67%
San Francisco 2.94%
Miami 2.20%
Washington 1.70%
Los Angeles 1.65%
Houston 0.92%
Dallas 0.72%

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=247127

[Docere]

Funny how Van edges out Montreal in European-born - almost certainly becuase of Brits. It doesn't really have "white ethnic" enclaves.

[dc_denizen]

Most Americans are ensured through their jobs . Those europeans likely to immigrate for white collar jobs are going to receive superior care in the USA compared to Canada or their home countries.

And btw I can’t believe someone from Vancouver would claim the USA , of all places , lacks affordable housing. That’s the stove calling the kettle black. Housing costs are low in the US and white collar incomes are high , outside of a few cities like SF with inflationary economies

[Jaborandi]

Originally Posted by Docere

Funny how Van edges out Montreal in European-born - almost certainly becuase of Brits. It doesn't really have "white ethnic" enclaves.

A sizeable population from the former Jugoslavia fetched up in Vancouver.

[iheartthed]

The U.S. is not going to grant political asylum to white South Africans.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by isaidso

A ton of Europeans looking to emigrate opt for NZ, Australia, and Canada instead. When asked why European immigrants choose Canada over the US, universal health care comes up every time. They cite it as one of the things that tipped the scale in Canada's favour.

In what time period? Many European-born came decades ago.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by isaidso

If you're from a poor or developing country, universal health care would be lower down the list of priorities. You'll likely go despite that negative. For people in the developed world, it's a big issue. For many (myself included) it's an absolute deal breaker.

The only way you don't have a medical insurance option in the U.S. is if you're not poor + not old + not disabled + not working. And even then, you'd still get insurance in NY, NJ, CT, MA, CA and a few others. So if it's your life mission to not work and not grow old, yeah, I could see it mattering. But that's a pretty odd preference.

I've never heard about any skilled immigrant complain about U.S. healthcare. They obviously have employer-funded healthcare, generally cheaper and better than in Western Europe.

Originally Posted by isaidso

The lack of universal health care in the US lowers the appeal of the US to European/Caucasian immigrants (thread title) substantially.

Yeah, right. It wouldn't be waiting on a lottery for 10 years and paying 20k + lawyers, rather than just randomly moving 50 km. The real issue is that they detest having the best doctors and medical facilities at their disposal, and want the exact same healthcare as the poors.

And obviously it's just Europeans. The 90% remainder of the world doesn't care about their family's health. And you do realize that many Commonwealth countries, Canada included, didn't even have socialized medicine when many Europeans immigrated, right?

And your comments about Canada, Australia have a higher share of European immigrants due to socialized healthcare, and not due to, you know, immigration laws, especially for Commonwealth Nations, are dumb. Maybe it's the vegemite and maple syrup, or AC/DC and Bryan Adams.

[Docere]

Originally Posted by Jaborandi

A sizeable population from the former Jugoslavia fetched up in Vancouver.

Yes around 12,000 in Vancouver. Toronto has the largest population from the former Yugoslavia in NA, around 40,000.

[RST500]

https://robertstark.substack.com/p/a...s-should-honor

"The top visa lotto winners for 2021 were granted to Egypt (6,002), Iran (6,001), Russia (6,001), Algeria (6,001), Sudan (6,001), Ukraine (5,604), Uzbekistan (5,319), Democratic Republic of Congo (4,503), Morocco (4,458), Albania (3,962), Ethiopia (3,957), Nepal (3,801), Cameroon (3,686), Ghana (3,284), and Turkey (2,874)."

[RST500]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

The U.S. is not going to grant political asylum to white South Africans.

Expand Diversity Immigration:


https://robertstark.substack.com/p/a...s-should-honor

"Beside the rise of racism, the one party ANC regime in South Africa has failed to maintain a cohesive and tolerant nation and there are concerns that the nation is on the brink of civil war. With the potential for a humanitarian catastrophe, there has been a massive interest in people looking to leave and the US must look into fast-tracking visas for minorities from South Africa who are facing racism."

[craigs]

Originally Posted by RST500

Expand Diversity Immigration:


https://robertstark.substack.com/p/a...s-should-honor

"Beside the rise of racism, the one party ANC regime in South Africa has failed to maintain a cohesive and tolerant nation and there are concerns that the nation is on the brink of civil war. With the potential for a humanitarian catastrophe, there has been a massive interest in people looking to leave and the US must look into fast-tracking visas for minorities from South Africa who are facing racism."

Are you Robert Stark?