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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:04 PM
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I don't wear masks all of the time. I wear it when I go grocery shopping or in areas where social distancing is not feasible. But when I'm going grocery shopping, I'm not just going to Safeway and then home. I'm probably going to at least two stores, then a Walmart, then drycleaners, etc. If you have to drive to each location, it's just easier to keep your mask on.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:08 PM
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^ So is this how it ends for civilization? Like a Tetris game in its final stages where the viruses start piling up faster than we can deal with them?

Here's an interesting column from the Calgary Herald illustrating the type of collateral damage from Covid we'll probably be hearing about a lot in the upcoming months... a 46 year old man who died because he couldn't get a heart problem treated during the lockdown.

Corbella: Alberta man died from the lockdown, not COVID-19
Eh, don’t know the full details but from the information available from the article it doesn’t sound like his delayed procedure would have saved him.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:11 PM
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Because they use the example to virtue-signal how much more righteous they are than everyone else. And that attitude just turns people off mask wearing even more.

If you're intubating someone or working in any medical setting then yes, of course it makes sense to follow strict procedures taking off a mask. If you ran into 7-11 to buy a bag of chips, not so much.
People driving by in in cars are virtue signalling to you? Are they also telling you to paint your bedroom red and drown your cat?

It’s easier to keep your mask on. Chances are they’re driving back to an apartment building complex or another situation where a mask would be useful. And yes, you can get covid 19 from a 7-11. If you’re going to wear a mask, then wear it properly or there’s no point.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:14 PM
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Anthony Fauci stated last week on Friday that he expects a working vaccine that is at least 75% effective to be ready for mass immunizations by December. If you listen to the experts on the ground , it's more optimistic. The media sticks to their February/March talking points "12-18 months, may never happen, etc". But I too have been reading quite a bit from many people who are directly involved in the creation and they are way more optimistic than the copy and paste media articles. I think people just don't want to be let down, so they are being pessimistic.

I know many doctors have gone on record with the worst case results, and they have the right to be pessimistic. But I try to get my information from people in the trenches currently, not people in glass office towers.
Because the consequences of being late are far greater than the consequences of being early.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:24 PM
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People driving by in in cars are virtue signalling to you? Are they also telling you to paint your bedroom red and drown your cat?

It’s easier to keep your mask on. Chances are they’re driving back to an apartment building complex or another situation where a mask would be useful. And yes, you can get covid 19 from a 7-11. If you’re going to wear a mask, then wear it properly or there’s no point.
It's just his way of subtly ragging on the people who are most likely to wear masks in cars in his part of the world - Asians.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:32 PM
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I don't wear masks all of the time. I wear it when I go grocery shopping or in areas where social distancing is not feasible. But when I'm going grocery shopping, I'm not just going to Safeway and then home. I'm probably going to at least two stores, then a Walmart, then drycleaners, etc. If you have to drive to each location, it's just easier to keep your mask on.
It's hard to complain about mask wearing when it is so cheap and easy.

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of people talk as if these practices need to be 100% effective in order to be worthwhile. What if a covid virion gets on the side of your mask and you get it on your ear when you're taking it off, then you touch your ear, then you touch your face, then you get covid? That's the 1 in 1,000,000 scenario while you unknowingly infecting someone else by talking and flinging covid-laden spittle at them is vastly more probable.

Another thing you hear is that we can't do anything unless there are decades of peer-reviewed studies confirming that it's a net win in our exact scenario. 99.9% of the actions we take are not in this category. We always have to use our judgement and intuition, even in areas that have been intensely studied scientifically.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 6:34 PM
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this is pretty bad for airline employees

500 Delta Airline Staff Test Positive for Coronavirus, 10 Dead
BY SOO KIM ON 6/24/20

https://www.newsweek.com/500-delta-a...dhuq_AiPJAztYg
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 7:39 PM
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Toronto going ahead with making masks mandatory in all indoor settings. It will begin 1 week from today (July 6th). Mississauga and Peel will follow course.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7124117/t...y-coronavirus/
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 7:43 PM
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It's hard to complain about mask wearing when it is so cheap and easy.

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of people talk as if these practices need to be 100% effective in order to be worthwhile. What if a covid virion gets on the side of your mask and you get it on your ear when you're taking it off, then you touch your ear, then you touch your face, then you get covid? That's the 1 in 1,000,000 scenario while you unknowingly infecting someone else by talking and flinging covid-laden spittle at them is vastly more probable.

Another thing you hear is that we can't do anything unless there are decades of peer-reviewed studies confirming that it's a net win in our exact scenario. 99.9% of the actions we take are not in this category. We always have to use our judgement and intuition, even in areas that have been intensely studied scientifically.
Airbags aren’t 100% effective, but I doubt most people would buy a car without them.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 9:17 PM
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this is pretty bad for airline employees

500 Delta Airline Staff Test Positive for Coronavirus, 10 Dead
BY SOO KIM ON 6/24/20

https://www.newsweek.com/500-delta-a...dhuq_AiPJAztYg
500 out of 90 000 employees is 0.5% which is pretty small. And we don't know how many of these are employees who would have come in contact with the public.
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500 out of 90 000 employees is 0.5% which is pretty small. And we don't know how many of these are employees who would have come in contact with the public.
500 out of how many tested employees, one wonders? 500 out of 90,000 would put them well below the likely rate in the U.S. population at large, no?

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It's hard to complain about mask wearing when it is so cheap and easy.

One thing I've noticed is that a lot of people talk as if these practices need to be 100% effective in order to be worthwhile. What if a covid virion gets on the side of your mask and you get it on your ear when you're taking it off, then you touch your ear, then you touch your face, then you get covid? That's the 1 in 1,000,000 scenario while you unknowingly infecting someone else by talking and flinging covid-laden spittle at them is vastly more probable.
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My understanding is that masks can actually make things worst if worn improperly. It isn't just that they aren't entirely affective it's that they collect up germs and ensure that most people are touching their faces whenever they put them on.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2020, 10:30 PM
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That is why our Canadian doctors have emphasized physical distancing so much. And, generally, I think we've done a pretty good job of that. We're hardly perfect, but I think people have done what they can to give me space (and me giving others space).

I think the masks has become such a hot potato in the US because they have essentially given up on physical distancing.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 12:05 AM
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12 new cases in BC.
Zero deaths.
And just 150 active cases in the entire province.
Total deaths 174.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 12:21 AM
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My understanding is that masks can actually make things worst if worn improperly. It isn't just that they aren't entirely affective it's that they collect up germs and ensure that most people are touching their faces whenever they put them on.
I think that was the guidance from several months ago that has since been discredited. Obviously improper use is worse than using it properly, but since the objective is to limit successive waves (and the associated deaths, lockdowns and economic ruin) then the overwhelming advice from experts seems to be the risks of no mask outweigh the risk of masks.

In the US, the difference between masked states and unmasked states is pretty striking.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coro...-20200624.html
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 3:03 AM
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Canada recorded 25 deaths today. US recorded 764.
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Canada recorded 25 deaths today. US recorded 764.
But I'm sure that's not relevant for some reason.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 5:09 AM
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Another 46,000 cases in the US today. Seems to be a regular trend over 40k down there. Both Texas and California both reported all time highs in cases.
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Freakin awesome. Thanks china... again... and again... and again...
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2020, 5:54 AM
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That is why our Canadian doctors have emphasized physical distancing so much. And, generally, I think we've done a pretty good job of that. We're hardly perfect, but I think people have done what they can to give me space (and me giving others space).

I think the masks has become such a hot potato in the US because they have essentially given up on physical distancing.

In the US wearing or not wearing a mask has become an IQ test.
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