noirish Los Angeles - Page 898

CityBoyDoug · #**17941** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 7:03 PM**

Originally posted by BifRayRock....I thought it needed a closer look.
Yes, that does appear to be a drive-in at the far right side.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JSS1IQ6MI3.jpg

Chuckaluck · #**17942** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 7:08 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock

I can only recall the store from its final post-bunker period when the walls appeared capable of withstanding who-knows-what and there was one exit manned by security. It was fairly obvious that things had changed, and not necessarily for the better. As you noted in an earlier post, the difference in appearance between old and new was dramatic.

From your earlier post, p 139:

Sears (formerly at Western and Santa Monica) getting a remodel or spruce up? Don't recall seeing the scaffolding before. Before or after awnings?

No text - no date - no explanation for "X"

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046286.jpg

Chuckaluck · #**17943** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 7:30 PM**

Vine Post Office Hunt

Just west of the Taft Bldg., at the NE corner of Hollywood and Cahuenga lies what used to be called the Security Pacific Bank Building. 6381 Hollywood Blvd. (?)

~ 1923 Both buildings from the west

http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...od_1923(2).jpg

Stately, date unknown. (Notice older style street lighting. Before street improvement / widening)

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046287.jpg

http://www.you-are-here.com/hollywoo...ty_pacific.jpg

HossC · #**17944** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 7:41 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock

Thanks. But there is still a little confusion. Was the street "readdressed" ? Using current addresses, 1680 Vine seems in at or near the Taft Building. The Redbury is listed at 1717 Vine. Looking at the Redbury site, there appears to be a large atrium where the building is split or in a U shape.

Here's a better view of the Airport Ground School posted by e_r just over a year ago (I should've known it was already on NLA!). I'm guessing the school moved to larger premises just up the street soon after 1942.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

ebay

And here's a clearer view of Vine Street circa 1968 - the Airport Ground School building is the one with the "Discover All America" billboard on the roof.

www.hollywoodphotographs.com

Despite its looks, the Redbury was only built a few years ago. The site was a parking lot for a while before that. I found a picture of early construction on another skyscraperpage thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by fridayinla

Palihouse Hollywood - near Hollywood/Vine

As the title suggests, the Redbury was originally built as the Palihouse, but ran into financial trouble. More info on la.curbed:

Beleaguered Palihouse Vine Project Goes to CIM Group

Say 'Ello to Hollywood's New Redbury Hotel

The Palihouse construction picture gives a good opportuntity for a side-by-side comparison of the buildings behind.

Chuckaluck · #**17945** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 7:48 PM**

Still traipsing (around Hollywood) . . . after all these years.

Innes Shoe Company. (Reputed to have made and/or sold THE ruby slippers.)

http://img1.etsystatic.com/011/1/713...48773_2hmv.jpg

NW corner of Hollywood and Wilcox (6501 Hollywood) also at 642 S Broadway and 216 W 6th St. (In '29)

~1922

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046288.jpg

~1922

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007781.jpg

Undated (prob '20s) same intersection looking west.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007823.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007598.jpg

Same corner, but probably 10+ years later, i.e. '30s

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics17/00008113.jpg

Chuckaluck · #**17946** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 8:00 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

Here's a better view of the Airport Ground School posted by e_r just over a year ago (I should've known it was already on NLA!). I'm guessing the school moved to larger premises just up the street soon after 1942.

The Palihouse construction picture gives a good opportuntity for a side-by-side comparison of the buildings behind.

Very helpful. Was trying to figure out whether Rojo-hut was new construction or a rehab of older Post Office structure. Seems a shame to have demolished older structure, the facade seemed very pleasant. But . . . so did that 'ol dingy Richfield T.

(Even some of the rebar looks red

)

Chuckaluck · #**17947** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 8:24 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

Aerial view of Cahuenga Pass, December 30, 1939

And in a few short years, Monkey Island would be a distant memory.

Undated Cahuenga Pass (Was tall structure part of gas station pictured in earlier thread, or is it a restaurant?)

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011484.jpg

BifRayRock · #**17948** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 8:58 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck

Vine Post Office Hunt

Just west of the Taft Bldg., at the NE corner of Hollywood and Cahuenga lies what used to be called the Security Pacific Bank Building. 6381 Hollywood Blvd. (?)

~ 1923 Both buildings from the west

http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...od_1923(2).jpg

Another interesting building in that neighborhood, recently captured by HossC, is what has sometimes been referred to as the Hollywood Bank Building or more commonly the Equitable Bldg. 6253 Hollywood Blvd.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039172.jpg

http://hollywoodheritage.org/newsarc.../equitable.jpg

View from the North

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039161.jpg

1955

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics16/00007590.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039167.jpg

1937

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...16DEU3JEMV.jpg

Contemporary

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...MHG99X24E1.jpg

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The most interesting of the lot?

One side was seemingly occupied while the other was under construction. Interesting how massive rooftop signage seemed to appear-disappear-reappear.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046293.jpg

Chuckaluck · #**17949** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 9:15 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla

September 7, 1938 - Captioned "Jitterbugs disrupt City Council." If they danced to music, assume there was a band on hand. FDR's portrait looks to be at least four or five feet tall.

lapl

I thought I saw another picture, "removal" of the President's portrait, circa '46.

Now I am wondering, when did the City begin the practice of large "enormous" photo displays of the Chief Executive, and when did it stop? Where there photos of Harry T and Ike? Interesting floor inlays. Marble? Terrazzo?

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics22/00045866.jpg

HossC · #**17950** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 9:31 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck

Undated Cahuenga Pass (Was tall structure part of gas station pictured in earlier thread, or is it a restaurant?)

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011484.jpg

I'm guessing that you're referring to the Violet Ray gas station - see Tourmaline's post here.

The tall building in the photo above is a fire station which is still there.

Google Maps

CityBoyDoug · #**17951** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 10:44 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck

I thought I saw another picture, "removal" of the President's portrait, circa '46.

Now I am wondering, when did the City begin the practice of large "enormous" photo displays of the Chief Executive, and when did it stop? Where there photos of Harry T and Ike? Interesting floor inlays. Marble? Terrazzo?

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics22/00045866.jpg

I believe the floors are inlaid marble. The main hall is probably one of the most sumptuous public rooms in all of Los Angeles.

HossC · #**17952** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 11:13 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck

Gladstone 3111 - A different Hollywood location?

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics23/00046284.jpg

The 1929 CD definitely says the Gladstone number refers to the Tanner Motor Livery's 5639 Sunset Boulevard address:

rescarta.lapl.org

Tourmaline's first post on Tanner Motor Livery shows a small picture of how 5639 Sunset looks today. Here's a larger version. It's lost some most of its charm, but is still recognizable as the building above. The current tenant is Jem Motor Corp who sell high-end vehicle brands. From their website: "Come take a step in time of old Hollywood in our 1920's Showroom."

GSV

The 320 S Beaudry premises had a very similar design, as can be seen in this photo dating from 1927. The build date near the top of the center section says 1926. The "MUtual 3111" sign is clearly visible.

USC Digital Library

USC has a second 1927 photo of the building on Beaudry taken at a different angle - see it here.

alanlutz · #**17953** Posted **Nov 28, 2013, 11:51 PM**

I am looking forward to celebrating 900 pages of this forum!!! Happy to say I have read most of them but look forward to going back and starting all over again, and again. Congratulations ER and the "house" you and SO MANY others of us have built!! I have learned SO MUCH from following all the posts here. Thankful for "noirish Los Angeles"!!!

Chuckaluck · #**17954** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 12:27 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej

Charnock Block, post mortem:

Photo by me

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-E-BFzp2av4...-Y/s1600/2.jpg

Artists rendering. No date

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics15/00007381.jpg

Chuckaluck · #**17955** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 1:22 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

Great pictures of the Deauville Beach Club, Chuckaluck, here are a couple more. The captions are taken directly from the USC descriptions, which gives the anomaly of the club being complete in 1920, but still under construction in 1923. At high tide the beach wasn't nearly as wide as the postcard above would suggest.

Beach in Santa Monica in front of the Deauville Beach Club, 1920

USC Digital Library

Beachgoers in front of the Deauville Club on the beach in Santa Monica, ca.1923

USC Digital Library

Here's the entry from the 1931 Santa Monica phone book which gives the address as 1525 Ocean Front:

Santa Monica Public Library

USC also includes "Deauville" in its tags for these two pictures of The Gable Beach Club, even though that was located at 808 Ocean Front (according to the 1928 Santa Monica Yellow Pages).

Birdseye view of Pacific Coast Highway in Santa Monica from Palisades Park, 1920-1930

USC Digital Library

View of the Santa Monica beach from the palisades, showing the Gables Beach Club, 1920-1930

USC Digital Library

Other clubs on Ocean Front in 1928 include American Legion Post 123 at 1351, The Breakers Club at 1725, Club Casa Del Mar at 1811, Club Chateau at 1351, the Rotary Club and Santa Monica Athletic Club (visible to the left of the Deauville Beach Club in the photos above) at 1441, and the Sea Breeze Beach Club at 800. There's also the Crescent Bay Yacht Club at Wilshire and Ocean Front, and the Edgewater Club of Southern California at Pico and Ocean Front.

Santa Monica Public Library

Previous posts on The Gables Beach Club:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11062

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=11066

1811 Ocean Front Club Casa Del Mar (Currently Pritikin Center)

http://vickielester.files.wordpress....1926.jpg?w=800

Club Casa Del Mar - circa '26 (Tom Mix without trademark hat?) Pour me some of that fizzy apple juice, and make it a 2X for Tony, my horse?

http://vickielester.files.wordpress....-mar.jpg?w=800

Jonathon Beach Club ~'30

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...KFF1QQM39U.jpg

Returning to the Pacific Coast Club (down south)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3435e69c.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JUEU934I7V.jpg

Nice support structures for the upstairs elephantine grand pianos!

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...3PXAUDFQGF.jpg

Fit for royalty, like Doug Fairbanks!

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JQ4S1I1MUX.jpg

Chuckaluck · #**17956** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 1:53 AM**

Interesting compilation of films using Angel's Flight as a backdrop.

http://www.electricearl.com/af/

Was not aware of a Perry Mason episode (1966), in color, with AF in the background.

http://www.electricearl.com/af/PerryMason_01.jpg

http://www.electricearl.com/af/PerryMason_10.jpg

Cost of a phone call?

We know what it cost to call SF in 1899.

228 S Spring Street

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-s_Q7O99wZF...eles,+1899.jpg

How about the cost of a local phone call in 1903, the date of this photo?

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...KHKTLQIGBT.jpg

In '59, the date of this photo, what was the cost of a local phone call? (5 or 10 cents "It's your nickel!")

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...96K9QS2D6H.jpg

http://ranchokinkaid.files.wordpress...4/payphone.png

Chuckaluck · #**17957** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 2:43 AM**

Last Train to Clarksville?

Felt like hitting the rails and checking out the seashore after reviewing the Beach Club Listings on HossC's list. Fascinating what can be found there.

Santa Monica, all aboard. 1880 (?)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...I7LS1CXFEV.jpg

Santa Monica 1880 (?)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S6K4BPCYB2.jpg

It may stop in La Jolla, but notice "Los Angeles" on side of car. Wig-wag, you never mentioned trolley cars that were submersible or at least seaworthy. Was there a secret route to Avalon?

Captain Nemo and conductor Sinbad, Welcome you aboard.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...L9XE9PUJF4.jpg

Who knew Terminal Island had a bath house?

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...CB2CT6P9EB.jpg

1896 - Fifth Street? (Plans got all fouled up after a trip to Topsy's

)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...NLJJTBF5KX.jpg

1895
Redondo Beach

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...KPJBH9BMDR.jpg

1895 Redondo Beach Depot and Hotel

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...45HHATR8AJ.jpg

1895
Redondo Beach Hotel, amusements

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2USG4ACDXY.jpg

Time for chow?

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...3TF5I9NG6A.jpg

As many of us are celebrating a "thanking" holiday, I would like to thank all posters for hours of interesting subjects. Almost at 900!

On to 1000!

Wig-Wag · #**17958** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 5:42 AM**

[QUOTE=Chuckaluck;6356998]Last Train to Clarksville?

It may stop in La Jolla, but notice "Los Angeles" on side of car. Wig-wag, you never mentioned trolley cars that were submersible or at least seaworthy. Was there a secret route to Avalon?

Chuckaluck, what we have here is a McKeen Motor Car built for the Los Angeles and San Diego Beach Railway in 1907 as their road No. 2. Forget the Los Angeles reference. Another turn-of-the-century railroad with champagne dreams and a beer budget, this line was created in 1906 from the merger of several San Diego area railroads. It never managed to get any farther north than La Jolla and went belly up in 1917.

Defined by their "windsplitter" noses, these motor cars were the product of one William R. McKeen and were built from 1901 through 1917. Rather than bore everyone with more details I recommend this link where you will also find a "trolley car" version of a McKeen. Interestingly, these were pretty water tight cars. Even so, The electric version would not have made it to Avalon either, as it operated in the east. ;>)

http://utahrails.net/pdf/Keilty_McKeen.pdf

Also, if you ever find yourself in Carson City, Nevada you can take a ride on a beautifully restored survivor. See: http://museums.nevadaculture.org/ind...415&Itemid=481

Cheers,
Jack

Captain Nemo and conductor Sinbad, Welcome you aboard.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...L9XE9PUJF4.jpg

unihikid · #**17959** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 1:30 PM**

[QUOTE=Wig-Wag;6357131]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck

Last Train to Clarksville?

It may stop in La Jolla, but notice "Los Angeles" on side of car. Wig-wag, you never mentioned trolley cars that were submersible or at least seaworthy. Was there a secret route to Avalon?

Chuckaluck, what we have here is a McKeen Motor Car built for the Los Angeles and San Diego Beach Railway in 1907 as their road No. 2. Forget the Los Angeles reference. Another turn-of-the-century railroad with champagne dreams and a beer budget, this line was created in 1906 from the merger of several San Diego area railroads. It never managed to get any farther north than La Jolla and went belly up in 1917.

Defined by their "windsplitter" noses, these motor cars were the product of one William R. McKeen and were built from 1901 through 1917. Rather than bore everyone with more details I recommend this link where you will also find a "trolley car" version of a McKeen. Interestingly, these were pretty water tight cars. Even so, The electric version would not have made it to Avalon either, as it operated in the east. ;>)

http://utahrails.net/pdf/Keilty_McKeen.pdf

Also, if you ever find yourself in Carson City, Nevada you can take a ride on a beautifully restored survivor. See: http://museums.nevadaculture.org/ind...415&Itemid=481

Cheers,
Jack

Captain Nemo and conductor Sinbad, Welcome you aboard.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...L9XE9PUJF4.jpg

Wig-wag were these considered Doodlebugs? My grandfather gave me a book on Doodlebugs,and in it they have a small section for Los Angeles,with the Sante Fe Pasadena Line(which is now the goldline).Also in one of his "Train" magazines it says that most California stations had a grouping of palm trees at every entrance to the station...after looking at a few older stations i noticed thats true(taking the metrolink from la to san bernardino most old stations have them)

but i dont know how true the statement is.

HossC · #**17960** Posted **Nov 29, 2013, 3:04 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC

While I was looking at the aerial film I wondered if we'd ever seen the north side of the NBC building on Sunset. This screengrab also shows Carpenter's Drive-in.

archive.org

When I mentioned Carpenter's Drive-In at Sunset and Vine, it was because I remembered it from previous posts. There are still some great night-time shots in post #8075 and post #8076, but tovangar2's post #14241 has sadly lost its images. Luckily, the links still work. The circular drive-in in the screengrab dates from after its redesign. The picture below is dated 1945.

army arch on Flickr

Here's a menu titled "Harry Carpenter’s Sandwich Stands, Hollywood 1942":

coolculinaria.com

The post by tovangar2 also has a link to the image below, taken in 1932, which shows the original octagonal design. Note the cheaper prices!

Huntington Digital Library

USC has a wider view from the same shoot. Their set also includes three pictures of the serving staff, one of which I've included here.

USC Digital Library

There are two more pictures of Carpenter's from roughly the same era on USC:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...oll65/id/21066

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/21416

I know there were several Carpenter's restaurants (the 1936 CD lists them at 6285 and 6290 Sunset Blvd., 667 S Western Av., 1250 S Vermont Av. and 3201 Wilshire Blvd.). The 1932 picture above includes an invitation to "Visit our barbecue pit at Wilshire and Western".

Detail of image above

I checked out the intersection, and so far this is the only picture of Carpenter's I could find.

USC Digital Library

Is Harry Carpenter's Drive-In open for business here? There's no tower on the roof and the parking lot looks very quiet. I wonder what "Mr. Los Angeles" sold (top left corner).

Detail of image above

Across the street, the Melody Lane Coffee Shop looks considerably busier.

Detail of image above