Demographic impact of urban exodus

[RST500]

This was discussed in the Bay Area tech thread but what will be the impacts of mass migrations and exoduses on different urban areas' class and demographic structures.

[JAYNYC]

Originally Posted by RST500

This was discussed in the Bay Area tech thread but what will be the impacts of mass migrations and exoduses on different urban areas' class and demographic structures.

Uhhhh, are you making a statement, or asking a question?

[Handro]

What urban exodus?

[The North One]

Originally Posted by Handro

What urban exodus?

Everybody is Nostradamus right now, they've all got wild predictions they're convinced of.

[MolsonExport]

where is everyone going to go? Asscrack, Arkansas?

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

where is everyone going to go? Asscrack, Arkansas?

maybe. Arkansas is a gorgeous state with tons of outdoor amenities. i've considered moving there from time to time.

[llamaorama]

Originally Posted by IWant2BeInSTL

maybe. Arkansas is a gorgeous state with tons of outdoor amenities. i've considered moving there from time to time.

Yeah but even then, there is a world of difference between living in NW Arkansas versus somewhere like Pine Bluff.

If Arkansas gained people leaving large cities from the coasts chances are they would move to places with amenities and services in arms reach.

And even then this has huge unintended consequences. If Silicon Valley engineers moved to Arkansas, they'd live in some nice private gated community with exclusive lake access and pay hardly any taxes. The people who prep their food and fix their appliances and pour the concrete foundations of their house are going to live in nasty trailer parks, their kids will go to shit rural schools, they'll pay more for transportation, and their quality of life will be severely degraded. Instead of improving equality by redistributing wealth out of the largest cities to a poorer region, it would increase it by furthering a race to the bottom

Originally Posted by llamaorama

Yeah but even then, there is a world of difference between living in NW Arkansas versus somewhere like Pine Bluff.

If Arkansas gained people leaving large cities from the coasts chances are they would move to places with amenities and services in arms reach.

And even then this has huge unintended consequences. If Silicon Valley engineers moved to Arkansas, they'd live in some nice private gated community with exclusive lake access and pay hardly any taxes. The people who prep their food and fix their appliances and pour the concrete foundations of their house are going to live in nasty trailer parks, their kids will go to shit rural schools, they'll pay more for transportation, and their quality of life will be severely degraded. Instead of improving equality by redistributing wealth out of the largest cities to a poorer region, it would increase it by furthering a race to the bottom

wow. all i said is that Arkansas has great natural amenities (as opposed to being a giant ass crack). thus, i can understand some people wanting to live there. sounds like you have a lot of opinions about it.

[Qubert]

Originally Posted by llamaorama

Yeah but even then, there is a world of difference between living in NW Arkansas versus somewhere like Pine Bluff.

If Arkansas gained people leaving large cities from the coasts chances are they would move to places with amenities and services in arms reach.

And even then this has huge unintended consequences. If Silicon Valley engineers moved to Arkansas, they'd live in some nice private gated community with exclusive lake access and pay hardly any taxes. The people who prep their food and fix their appliances and pour the concrete foundations of their house are going to live in nasty trailer parks, their kids will go to shit rural schools, they'll pay more for transportation, and their quality of life will be severely degraded. Instead of improving equality by redistributing wealth out of the largest cities to a poorer region, it would increase it by furthering a race to the bottom

The answer always has been socioeconomic integration. Wither it's Topeka, KS or Manhattan NYC whenever we segregate people by class we end up with these discrepancies.

[llamaorama]

Originally Posted by Qubert

The answer always has been socioeconomic integration. Wither it's Topeka, KS or Manhattan NYC whenever we segregate people by class we end up with these discrepancies.

That socioeconomic integration is further along in (many, not all) metro areas cs rural ones, though.

And rural sprawl is itself a way of resisting “socioeconomic integration” IMO. It let’s different groups isolate themselves. It’s a way to make local government unnecessary and then bleed it out through flight of tax generating activities.

[Acajack]

For what it's worth, I live in an inner suburban area that's about 10 km from Canada's parliament (equivalent to Capitol Hill) in Ottawa.

My city of Gatineau doesn't have a "strong" downtown, though neighbouring Ottawa across the river truly does.

Over the past couple of weeks I've gotten three cold calls (including one about an hour ago) from real estate agents saying demand for my neighbourhood is red-hot. Asking if I'd be interested in selling my house.

I've been living here for 20 years or so and this has very rarely happened in the past.

[photoLith]

I’m leaving the city, it’s going to hell in a hand basket, the browns and gays are moving in. I’m moving to the burbs with my WASP family ASAP.

[JAYNYC]

Originally Posted by photoLith

I’m leaving the city, it’s going to hell in a hand basket, the browns and gays are moving in. I’m moving to the burbs with my WASP family ASAP.

Yeah, so are there any mods left in this forum? Or are they part of this same extreme right-wing racist, homophobic agenda?

[Handro]

Originally Posted by JAYNYC

Yeah, so are there any mods left in this forum? Or are they part of this same extreme right-wing racist, homophobic agenda?

I think photoLith was being ironic...

[ilcapo]

Originally Posted by JAYNYC

Yeah, so are there any mods left in this forum? Or are they part of this same extreme right-wing racist, homophobic agenda?

I think he/she was being sarcastic.

[mhays]

Some trends will be opposite, even if there's an outflow. For example, if you don't like commuting you can live within walking distance of work. There might actually be an increase in downtown and mixed-use living.

Another trend, if telecommuting really become big, if trips to the office can be seldom/never: Live in a place you like. Your favorite "lifestyle" city, the small town back home, etc. Maybe you make a name for yourself in a more traditional environment for a while, but move back to Iowa pretty quickly.

[RST500]

Bay Area will be nation’s coolest housing market in 2020, survey says


https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...edium=referral

[IrishIllini]

The virus is spreading fastest in states with low population density urban areas.

Increasing
-CA
-TX
-FL
-NC
-TN
-WA
-AZ
-MS
-MO
-SC
-UT
-KY
-AR
-SD
-PR
-ID
-VT
-AK
-MT

Flat
-MA
-VA
-GA
-LA
-OH
-CO
-IA
-WI
-AL
-NE
-NV
-NM
-OK
-NH
-OR
-WV
-Guam
-HI

Falling
-NY
-NJ
-IL
-PA
-MI
-MD
-CT
-IN
-ME
-RI
-KS
-DE
-DC
-ND
-ME
-WY

The NE and upper Midwest were most afflicted by case counts though.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

[JManc]

Originally Posted by IrishIllini

The virus is spreading fastest in states with low population density urban areas.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

Much of this had to do with a lot of these states opening up earlier than northern states. Texas opened up May 1 and low and behold, cases started trending upward on May 13 and is continuing to peak. New York is now just starting to open up and stricter about it.

[craigs]

I know a couple who moved from San Francisco to Bentonville, Arkansas relatively recently. She works for Walmart and was originally from there, so there is that connection, but they're getting married in January and it's definitely easier to start a family there than in SF. They are building a house from scratch, but it's not a McMansion or anything.