Cool Modern Architecture - Page 29

hauntedheadnc · #**561** Posted **Oct 5, 2008, 1:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

...what's terrifying, is that you're not trolling; you're serious. if i post a picture of a heavily decorated neoclassical civic building, will the rapture of its beauty be enough to distract you for a while? the rest of the people here are trying to have a serious discussion.

Just picture one of these ultramodern condos... with pink checked curtains frilled with yards of cheap lace. Doilies. Plaid furniture with wooden legs and armrests... Porcelain poodles... A vacuum cleaner cozy shaped like a cow wearing a dress...

And no, it wouldn't, but it would be very helpful in illustrating something you refuse to acknowledge: there is a gulf between engineering and artistry. The best architects bridge it. The rest, the annoying ones, say there's no need to even acknowledge it, much less bridge it. A few architects, the really, really arrogant and self-righteous ones, will throw out the whole analogy and in so doing, throw out the entirety of human existence as seen through its constructions, because they're also so arrogant as to believe that this era's fads are something more than that.

Echo Park · #**562** Posted **Oct 5, 2008, 2:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by TANGELD_SLC

OK here's Frank Gehry's latest and biggest project and a definite masterpiece of modern architecture.

It will be built in Lehi, Utah, on 85 acres. It will contain a Lake, a 450-ft 5-star hotel, with 1 million SQFT of retail, 2,500 residential units. It will be LEED certified, powered by wind/solar/geothermal energy, and act as the southern gateway to Salt Lake City, and it's called....

THE POINT

Photo credits go to DESERETNEWS.COM

That is not a ''definite masterpiece of modern architecture," its a gehry throwaway.

AdrianXSands those buildings are amazing!

Tom Servo · #**563** Posted **Oct 5, 2008, 5:57 PM**

that central tower looks like a bad herzog and de meuron rip off...

Lecom · #**564** Posted **Oct 5, 2008, 7:30 PM**

You can count on Gehry to churn out an irrelevant kitchy POS. The only time he can produce a surprise is when he designs something decent like Beekman Tower in New York.

erbsenzaehler · #**565** Posted **Oct 5, 2008, 11:15 PM**

Do you people got no taste?

It's not like I'd hate any kind of modern architecture, but the stuff Adrian posted is... Horrific, to say the least.

And Gehry's tower gotta be one of the crappiest proposals I've seen in a while.

CGII · #**566** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 1:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

that central tower looks like a bad herzog and de meuron rip off...

Well now that they designed that pyramid for Paris even Herzog & deMeuron have been making bad Herzog & deMeuron ripoffs.

CGII · #**567** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 1:27 AM**

eh? double post

Tom Servo · #**568** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 3:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by erbsenzaehler

Do you people got no taste?

It's not like I'd hate any kind of modern architecture, but the stuff Adrian posted is... Horrific, to say the least.

And Gehry's tower gotta be one of the crappiest proposals I've seen in a while.

please, don't pigeon-hole as a person who is a fan of gehry's work or any other type deconstructionist type of architecture... just because something is weird doesn't mean it has the same modernist foundation as does the work of h&dm, oma, smc_alsop, nouvel, etc...
and whereas i try to judge every project objectively, i have a strong set of architectural believes that forces me to usually dislike the work of gehry, hadid, libeskind, eisenman, etc...
something that is shiny and has an unusual form doesn't necessarily attach itself to my liking. i am, however, a fan of architecture that attempts to make the world more habitable by the human element and is progressively adaptable for the future in a way that is directly related to the society that it is put into.

...but then again, what do i know? i have no taste.

Tom Servo · #**569** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 4:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by CGII

Well now that they designed that pyramid for Paris even Herzog & deMeuron have been making bad Herzog & deMeuron ripoffs.

good ideas are not recyclable even if they're widely applicable and generally flexible to different situations? hmmm...

Glazier Man · #**570** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by erbsenzaehler

Adrian: The buildings you just brought up belong to the most disgusting excrescences of todays pigheaded modernism.
Just awful 68-brainwashed ideologist junk.

I hope you just posted them in the wrong thread and they were supposed to appear in some "ugly buildings" thread.

Funny thing, I was thinking the same thoughts to myself....what a poor example of good engineering and design.....

TANGELD_SLC · #**571** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 4:58 AM**

Not to BRAG or anything... but Salt Lake's main public library kicks butt!

Designed by Moshe Sadfe, named library of the year 2006 and it was completed in 2003, I believe. It instantly became a local landmark and is considered one of America's finest examples of progressive architecture.

all the pix are from Flickr

fever · #**572** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 5:22 AM**

Salt Lake City's library is Vancouver's Central library without the stripped-down neoclassical elements in the circular envelope. Same architect, same atrium. The atrium is probably Vancouver's best public indoor space, and the space left over between the circular outer wall and the street corner is one of its most active outdoor plazas. The study desks around the building are very well done as well. The quality of the light in the building and the quality of the spaces in and outside the building are enough for me to overlook that the building is done in a style that I don't particularly like.

I like the odd building in this thread. I think deconstructivism is about as terrible as the pomo crap that is too common here in Vancouver (and Seattle, Portland). That Gehry crap reminds me of Habitat.

TANGELD_SLC · #**573** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 7:44 AM**

Oh and did I mention the rooftop is a park? You can see the trees on it in the last photo... does Vancouver's have one? I like SLC's better than Vans, but I've never seen it IRL.

CGII · #**574** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 1:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

good ideas are not recyclable even if they're widely applicable and generally flexible to different situations? hmmm...

Hardly. I just think the Paris pyramid is a misstep.

Tom Servo · #**575** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 2:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by CGII

Hardly. I just think the Paris pyramid is a misstep.

right... i was kind of being silly. (although i did mean what i said)

also, i don't know how much you read all the trendy architectural journals or magazines and such, but there seems to be a trend amongst our great architectural thinkers such as oma or h&dm of trying to re-invent, or abandon altogether, the skyscraper. i am person very hot on this idea. so i really like these buildings that make attempts to break away from the sort of classical way of massing a tall building.

shrug.

fever · #**576** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 3:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by TANGELD_SLC

Oh and did I mention the rooftop is a park? You can see the trees on it in the last photo... does Vancouver's have one? I like SLC's better than Vans, but I've never seen it IRL.

Yeah. Vancouver's has a green roof, which is apparently in the shape of the Fraser delta.

scalziand · #**577** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 4:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by fever

Salt Lake City's library is Vancouver's Central library without the stripped-down neoclassical elements in the circular envelope. Same architect, same atrium. The atrium is probably Vancouver's best public indoor space, and the space left over between the circular outer wall and the street corner is one of its most active outdoor plazas. The study desks around the building are very well done as well. The quality of the light in the building and the quality of the spaces in and outside the building are enough for me to overlook that the building is done in a style that I don't particularly like.

I like the odd building in this thread. I think deconstructivism is about as terrible as the pomo crap that is too common here in Vancouver (and Seattle, Portland). That Gehry crap reminds me of Habitat.

Since when was Habitat deconstructivist?

fever · #**578** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by scalziand

Since when was Habitat deconstructivist?

It's not. I should have put that comment in a new paragraph. Sorry for the confusion. Habitat is modernist in the form follows function sense. It's ugly but I like it anyway for its functionalism. Gehry's version throws in unnecessary curves and cantilevers.

scalziand · #**579** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 8:09 PM**

^^Ah, that I can agree with.

CGII · #**580** Posted **Oct 6, 2008, 9:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

right... i was kind of being silly. (although i did mean what i said)

also, i don't know how much you read all the trendy architectural journals or magazines and such, but there seems to be a trend amongst our great architectural thinkers such as oma or h&dm of trying to re-invent, or abandon altogether, the skyscraper. i am person very hot on this idea. so i really like these buildings that make attempts to break away from the sort of classical way of massing a tall building.

shrug.

I see that trend emerging as well, but it seems to me as something akin to Le Corbusier's 60s idealist modernism that 'redefined or abandoned altogether' urbanism, where it looks interesting at least on paper but results in something that is unconscious of what it really is and pretends to be something else altogether. I just see it as a dangerous path and Herzog & deMeuron seems to be slipping along the same path as Frank Gehry when it comes to designing and marketing buildings with ridiculously complex cubical elements.