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[Bedford] BMO 4-Pad Arena | Completed

Four-rink arena to be built in Bedford

By AMY PUGSLEY FRASER City Hall Reporter
Wed. Jan 28 - 5:51 AM
Local hockey and ringette players and skaters will think they’re walking on water.

Or four sheets of the frozen kind, at least.

The city’s long-standing rink shortage will soon be alleviated now that council has endorsed a new four-surface "quadplex" for a site off Hammonds Plains Road.

"It’s a very positive move forward," Mayor Peter Kelly said in an interview late Tuesday night.

Council unanimously supported negotiating with the proponent of the quadplex, which would be located on Gary Martin Drive behind Research in Motion’s new building on Innovation Drive.

"We now know that a quadplex is underway," Mr. Kelly said.

Council spent the better part of Tuesday afternoon behind closed doors discussing a shortlist of locations for the rink. Other possibilities included Dartmouth Crossing and Rocky Lake Drive in Bedford.

The secrecy was necessary, the mayor said, because the discussions included contract and land issues.

But now the secret is out.

"We have chosen the vendor and we have chosen the location, and now we move forward to bring back the proposal to council for ratification," he said.

Mr. Kelly isn’t sure how soon shovels could be in the ground or blades on the new ice.

"It depends upon financing and other potential points . . . but it’s a step along the way."

The city will also be looking for money from the federal and provincial governments to get the rink built, he said.

Coun. Tim Outhit (Bedford), whose district includes Gary Martin Drive, called council’s move "big and good news."

"This represents a $33-million investment in infrastructure and facilities for Bedford and surrounding districts to deal with a significant ice shortage in HRM."

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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 5:12 PM
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While this is great news I'm now curious as to what they are building behind CPA. I was lead to believe it was the spot for the arena.
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What a gawdawful place for it. Traffic on Hammonds Plains Rd is already so bad that the road is decidedly unsafe. This will just add to it.
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Are four ice surfaces really necessary?
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gee what a surprise, that numb nuts Kelly chose his own community for this project, that must be the reason for the behind closed doors tactics. the only time this pasty faced pansy shows any leadership is when he's doing something for his sweet Bedford..No offence DJ...ohh and I agree hfx_chris...4 ice surfaces are not necessary, but if you are going to build 4, why not two in Bedford and two in Dartmouth...?
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 2:38 AM
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Well apparently they are. I just don't know why they couldn't of put two in Bedford and two by Dartmouth Crossing. I just have a feeling this has to do with where Kelly is from.
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Are four ice surfaces really necessary?
While I can't comment on the pressures for ice time in Halifax or the location of this development, I can comment on the experience here in Moncton and the Tim Horton's 4-Ice Centre has been quite successful.

There are economies of scale by building a facility like this. A single ice plant can service all four ice surfaces. Zamboni's can be shared as well. Less staffing is proportionately necessary.

With high volume useage, you can attract ancillary businesses to the facility. At the Tim Horton's centre, there is a coffee shop, sports pub and a hockey equipment shop located right in the facility.

A facility such as this can make a great home base for hockey tournaments. I know that the Tim Horton's facility hosts a number of large tounaments every year because with four ice surfaces, the whole tournament can be played out of this single facility rather than ferrying hockey players all over the city to different venues.

It hasn't been a complete bed of roses, the Timmies centre is a public/private venture and this has caused some issues but on the whole, it has been quite positive. There has even been some talk of adding another couple of ice surfaces to the facility.
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While I can't comment on the pressures for ice time in Halifax or the location of this development, I can comment on the experience here in Moncton and the Tim Horton's 4-Ice Centre has been quite successful.

There are economies of scale by building a facility like this. A single ice plant can service all four ice surfaces. Zamboni's can be shared as well. Less staffing is proportionately necessary.

With high volume useage, you can attract ancillary businesses to the facility. At the Tim Horton's centre, there is a coffee shop, sports pub and a hockey equipment shop located right in the facility.

A facility such as this can make a great home base for hockey tournaments. I know that the Tim Horton's facility hosts a number of large tounaments every year because with four ice surfaces, the whole tournament can be played out of this single facility rather than ferrying hockey players all over the city to different venues.

It hasn't been a complete bed of roses, the Timmies centre is a public/private venture and this has caused some issues but on the whole, it has been quite positive. There has even been some talk of adding another couple of ice surfaces to the facility.
you make some very good points MonctonRad...as usual...but what gets me is they can propose 33 mil for 4 skating rinks in Bedford and all is fine and dandy, but when 47 mil is proposed for a central library/cultural center in central Hali, you get all sorts of complaints(from nut jobs like Mclusky or whatever her name is) about that being an excessive amount of money for a cultural centerpiece that Halifax desperately needs....WTF...
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I wish they put the rinks out in Rocky Lake since there is a school out there that could use them regularily. There are no schools out in HP so it might not get as much usage since there is still quite a travel time to get to them.

Heres the official press release off of HRM's website;

Regional Council Selects Site for Quad-pad Arena Project

(Wednesday, January 28, 2009) - Last night Regional Council unanimously approved the new quad-pad arena project be built on Hammonds Plains Road (at the intersection of the future Gary Martin Drive). "The Regional Plan has identified both Bedford South and Bedford West as further growth areas. Mayor Peter Kelly said "the Hammonds Plains Road site will provide ease of access given its proximity to Highway 102 and will accommodate a larger number of users."


Councillor Tim Outhit who represents the area said, "The Community Facility Master Plan has identified the need for additional ice surfaces in HRM as an early deliverable and short term solution for the existing arena inventory crisis, and I am thrilled the business case was made for the new quad-pad to be built in this area. The RFP process allowed proponents to recommend the best locations in HRM to house this facility. "


The Hammonds Plains Road site was selected from proponents who responded to the Expression of Interest Call in January of 2008, and who subsequently were short listed and invited to submit proposals through the Request for Proposals process, to construct the quad-pad arena.


HRM staff will now enter into negotiations with the winning proponent to set the parameters for the design, build and operation phases of the project. As owners of the facility, HRM will be responsible for the capital costs of construction and debt financing. The negotiation process is expected to take 2-3 months. Construction is slated to begin in Spring 2009 with completion targeted for Fall 2010.


This is the first short term step in a much longer term strategy to ensure HRM continues to meet the recreation needs of its citizens. "Council's unanimous decision is a positive move forward as the next step in the arena strategy and staff have been directed to research and analyse additional facility requirements." says Mayor Kelly.
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you make some very good points MonctonRad...as usual...but what gets me is they can propose 33 mil for 4 skating rinks in Bedford and all is fine and dandy, but when 47 mil is proposed for a central library/cultural center in central Hali, you get all sorts of complaints(from nut jobs like Mclusky or whatever her name is) about that being an excessive amount of money for a cultural centerpiece that Halifax desperately needs....WTF...
Yeah, but the library could be feasible right now if appropriate retail was incorporated on the SGR facing part of the land. Think about the revenues that leases on that land could do... and the money could be used to pay down the cost of the library and provide services. Total lack of leadership on this one.

Lending library books doesn't generate revenue, renting ice time does. This thing will pay itself off in a number of years. There is a serious lack of rinks in HRM.
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Why couldn't they build two surfaces in Bedford, two somewhere else, and design each building with the capacity to expand to 3 or 4 surfaces if the demand warrants.
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Yeah, but the library could be feasible right now if appropriate retail was incorporated on the SGR facing part of the land. Think about the revenues that leases on that land could do... and the money could be used to pay down the cost of the library and provide services. Total lack of leadership on this one.

Lending library books doesn't generate revenue, renting ice time does. This thing will pay itself off in a number of years. There is a serious lack of rinks in HRM.
Maybe they could incorporate an ice surface or two into the library building.

Jeez, maybe that's not such a bad idea.. especially an indoor/outdoor one.. the outdoor surface could be a plaza in summer
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Yeah, but the library could be feasible right now if appropriate retail was incorporated on the SGR facing part of the land. Think about the revenues that leases on that land could do... and the money could be used to pay down the cost of the library and provide services. Total lack of leadership on this one.
The problem is that Chief Librarian Judith Hare wants (a) a gold-plated facilitry that will be very expensive to build and operate and (b) has decreed that she wants the best retail site in town but wants no retail to befoul her palace. With another person at the helm the outcome might have been different.
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Lending library books doesn't generate revenue, renting ice time does. This thing will pay itself off in a number of years. There is a serious lack of rinks in HRM.
I think your mistaken to think that this project will pay it's self off in a "number of years"...hehe...most likely the revenue will just about cover operating costs...that's about it...33 mil?...that would take decades to pay off!
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The problem is that Chief Librarian Judith Hare wants (a) a gold-plated facilitry that will be very expensive to build and operate and (b) has decreed that she wants the best retail site in town but wants no retail to befoul her palace. With another person at the helm the outcome might have been different.
I also think the lack of retail is a shame...but I don't see a problem with a top of the line facility...in fact I passionately support it...it's about time this town did something that was high quality, something to be proud of...we don't need a central library/cultural center with vinyl siding!!
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The problem is that Chief Librarian Judith Hare wants (a) a gold-plated facilitry that will be very expensive to build and operate and (b) has decreed that she wants the best retail site in town but wants no retail to befoul her palace. With another person at the helm the outcome might have been different.
I don't recall seeing gold plating in any of the proposals...can I see your source for the gold plating?
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Rink plan partner a risk, city warned

By AMY PUGSLEY FRASER City Hall Reporter
Mon. Feb 2 - 5:23 AM
Halifax taxpayers could be on the hook for millions if city hall doesn’t nail down an airtight agreement for Bedford West’s new four-rink complex, says the provincial head of CUPE.

The union that represents 16,000 workers in this province is worried about the track record of Nustadia Developments Inc.

They are one of the companies in the Halifax Sports Partners Inc. consortium awarded the nearly $32-million project by regional council last week.

CUPE president Danny Cavanagh says the company built a complex in Guelph, Ont., and left the city holding a $9 million loan and an additional $4 million in unanticipated debt.

"We’re also a bit nervous about some of the stuff that happened with arenas and sports facilities in other provinces," Mr. Cavanagh said in an interview Sunday.

"Because there are no guarantees."

The risk of financing in today’s economic climate is "very dangerous," he says.

As a result, "there have been several private companies that have walked away from different P3 (public-private-partnership) arrangements."

CUPE has been worried city hall would decide to go this route for the four-plex arena and tried to warn them last year, he says.

"We provided HRM council with a research report that we did that shows that P3 arenas and rec centres are fraught with financial risks to taxpayers."

"We still, we feel, have an obligation to make sure that we hold governments accountable and make sure that taxpayers are getting the best bang for their buck."

That report should have raised red flags for them, he says.

"I think often times what a lot of people don’t see is that there is only one taxpayer. And that’s us."

"And clearly, with all the research we’ve done . . . it shows that taxpayers are at risk more and more and more."

A regional councillor said last week that many of those concerns were raised at a closed-door meeting.

But none of those worries were mentioned in public, on the record, after councillors unanimously agreed to go with Halifax Sports Partners Inc.

However, Mayor Peter Kelly admitted Sunday night that the city knows about Nustadia’s track record.

"We’re aware of other contracts and some of the challenges that came with those," he said in an interview, mentioning Guelph’s arena as well as the four-plex in Moncton as examples.

As a result, Halifax will learn from those experiences and do its due diligence with the pending agreement, he says.

"We’re trying to be proactive and trying to ensure that we do get the best value for the taxpayers’ dollars, as we always try to do."

City staffers are entering into three-month negotiations to set the parameters for the design, build and operation phases of the arena off the Hammonds Plains Road — which the city will own.

But nothing is set in stone yet, he pointed out.

"There are others who put proposals in so if, by chance, something doesn’t come to pass, there are other options open to us. But right now we’re committed to moving forward which is extremely important to all of HRM."

If all goes well, construction on the project — behind the RIM building on Gary Martin Drive — should begin this spring with completion in the fall of 2010.

"At the end of the day, we’re trying to get the facility built — and operated — in the most cost-effective way," Mr. Kelly said.


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An article from the Community Newspaper. I bolded the section about the opening date and the proposed road re-alignment for Hammonds Plains. Not mentioned is the extension of the bicycle lanes through the re-alignment;

Ready to play
New four-rink arena in Hammonds Plains brings mixed reaction

Halifax News Net

BEDFORD
By Yvette d’Entremont – The Weekly News
Regional council’s decision last week to unanimously approve a site on the Hammonds Plains Road for a new quad-pad arena project was welcome news to those directly affected by HRM’s long-standing ice surface shortage.
But proponents for the other two sites under consideration — Dartmouth Crossing and Rocky Lake — were disappointed with the selection.
East Dartmouth-The Lakes Coun. Andrew Younger said the Hammonds Plains site had the strongest bid and that’s why he accepted it.
“But my view is the Dartmouth Crossing site was much more central. Stats Can data has shown it’s closer to a significantly greater number of people than either of the other two sites,” he said. “This is not the end of the process at all.
“Akerley is closed, St. Margaret’s is closing for 18 months and Devonshire will close at the very least for reconstruction. So this announcement doesn’t suddenly give us all new ice surfaces.”
After the Bedford area, Younger said Dartmouth/Cole Harbour is the next most under served. He said acceptance of the Hammonds Plains site helps deal with the ice crunch, but it also propels HRM forward to review all existing ice surfaces and determine in which community the next project will be built.
“As disappointed as I am that we didn’t end up with the bid to go forward on the Dartmouth Crossing site, regardless of where it’s built it will benefit everybody with the cascading ice time,” Younger said. “They won’t get the nice new building, which is disappointing to a lot of people. But to vote against and turn down the project would have meant everyone would have continued suffering everywhere.”
The rink facility will be located at the intersection of Hammonds Plains Road and the future Gary Martin Drive. That new roadway will be built at the crest of the hill just past Ben’s Bakery. The road’s construction includes lowering the dangerous hill by 18 feet, and using the fill to build the rink and a park and ride.
Volunteers with Bedford’s Rocky Lake Common arena project were also disheartened by last week’s decision. The board formed in 2002 and its members have been working toward the development of another site that would include not only three ice surfaces but eventually soccer fields and a gymnasium.
Chairman Barry Mason said the announcement has not dampened his group’s enthusiasm. On Feb. 19, they’ll host a public event to inflate the dome designed to sit atop that rink, being named in honour of the late Bedford councillor Gary Martin. Mason said that ice surface will definitely be ready by August, in time for the start of hockey tryouts.
“It will provide an immediate facility that’s desperately needed ... And the private developer still wishes to move ahead with the triplex. The land is serviced and ready to go,” Mason said. “I think there’s demand for multiple rinks. HRM is faced with a lot of aging facilities.”
Waverley-Fall River-Beaver Bank Coun. Barry Dalrymple also expressed his disappointment with the final site selection last week.
“For residents in Fall River and Waverley, the Rocky Lake site is much more accessible, has lots of parking, and of course doesn’t have the same traffic issues you have on the Hammonds Plains Road,” Dalrymple said.
Outhit said residents who have contacted him are thrilled and excited by the announcement. He was pleased other councillors recognized Bedford’s need and realized how it would benefit the entire municipality by freeing up ice time elsewhere.
“This is also located blocks from Debbie Hum’s riding, near Peter Lund’s riding, not far from an under served Clayton Park and Hammonds Plains. It’s great for us and the districts around us,” Outhit said. “It’s important to note there is no intention of closing any existing rinks as a result of this. These four rinks are to deal with the fact we don’t have enough capacity.”
Construction of the four-rink facility is expected to begin this spring with an anticipated completion date sometime in the fall of 2010.
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With a multiple rink complex, making the decision as to where to locate the facility can be quite political, especially because the new facility might mean the closure of existing rinks. I'm glad that in Halifax it seems that no existing rinks will get the axe.

Here in Moncton, the Tim Horton's 4-Ice Centre was built on the former CN Shops lands. It was combined with several other facilities to create a "sportsplex", also including an air inflated indoor sportsdome, 10 ballfields and six soccer fields. This was a creative proposal for a brownfield that had lain empty for over ten years, so there was not much fuss over the location for this sports facility.

The controversy arose when it was revealed that three of the existing rinks in the city would be closed. This met with much resistance, especially in the Lewisville section of Moncton (on the east side of the city), because they felt that their community was getting the shaft. In the end, one of the existing rinks was closed, another was turned into an indoor handball/racketball facility and the third rink (in Lewisville) was demolished and rebuilt as the Kay Arena/Crossman Community Centre, a much nicer facility than they had previously. This would not have happened without the political activism and community spirit of the citizens of Lewisville.

Let's hope that similar political activism in underserviced parts of HRM will result in similar rink facilities being developed in other parts of your city.

Cities like Halifax, Moncton and Saint John are too large to over-consolidate rink facilities in one single location. While I support multi-rink complexes like the 4-Ice Centre, there is also a need for community rinks as well.
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Just an update on this project;

The cost is projected at $40 Million,

It will be going in front of Council this Spring for final approval,

It has a 15 month construction timeline so if approved this Spring it will be open in September 2010.

Other than that nothing new. They had a floor plan tonight and it was as basic as four rinks can come.
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