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Originally Posted by Crawford
More complete nonsense. At least you're consistent.
Here was the question-
"Why would they terminate direct service to one of their busiest hubs?"
Here is your exact answer-
"I don't know why, but that's the plan as I understand it. I'm surprised you weren't aware."
Not only did you claim that service was ending, you claimed it was common knowledge.
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One-seat service (if that's what you mean by "direct service") between Brooklyn and Nassau/Suffolk Counties IS ending. And I linked to an article that proves it. And don't know what else you could mean when you say "direct service". If you have to transfer, you no longer have direct service. But I wasn't even the one who said "direct service". It was Nexis4Jersey that said that.
This is what I initially said:
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Originally Posted by NorthernDancer
Unfortunately for passengers, once East Side Access opens, there will no longer be any one-seat rides between Atlantic Terminal and suburban Long Island.
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You responded by saying that I was wrong. I responded by linking to an article proving I am right. You continued to insist that I am wrong, yet you haven't given a single link to prove that there is no plan to eliminate one-seat service between Atlantic Terminal and Nassau/Suffolk Counties, which is the only think I claimed.
You are unreal. Even when presented with proof that you are wrong, you insist that you are right.
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No, you were wrong. Service from Long Island to Brooklyn is massively increasing, not ending.
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Wrong. The claim I made is that one-seat rides between Brooklyn and suburban LI are planned to end. I never once said that service to Brooklyn is ending. Again, this is what I said:
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Originally Posted by NorthernDancer
Unfortunately for passengers, once East Side Access opens, there will no longer be any one-seat rides between Atlantic Terminal and suburban Long Island.
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And I was right. The plan is to eliminate all one-seat service between Brooklyn and suburban LI. Nexis4Jersey asked why they would eliminate one-seat service between suburban LI and Brooklyn. I responded that I don't know why, but that that is the plan.
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One-seat ride has nothing to do with the level of service
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I never said it did. I said that the plan is to eliminate one-seat rides between Brooklyn and suburban LI completely.
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that was not your original claim
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My original claim was that the plan is to eliminate one-seat service between Atlantic Terminal and suburban LI. Nothing more, nothing less. That was the entirety of my claim. I didn't say anything about overall levels of service to Brooklyn, or about what the ideal service plans are.
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and there has never been a one-seat ride for most passengers from Long Island.
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And in the future there won't be a one-seat ride for ANY passengers from suburban LI. Which is what I said initially:
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Originally Posted by NorthernDancer
Unfortunately for passengers, once East Side Access opens, there will no longer be any one-seat rides between Atlantic Terminal and suburban Long Island.
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That was my initial post. The entirety of it. I can't believe you are arguing over what I initially said.
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Ever since the LIRR existed, service has been primarily oriented towards Manhattan, not Brooklyn. This obviously means that you need to transfer if you're not headed to the primary destination (which is true of every single transit system on earth).
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I don't care. That has nothing to do with whether my initial quote was wrong.
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Originally Posted by NorthernDancer
Unfortunately for passengers, once East Side Access opens, there will no longer be any one-seat rides between Atlantic Terminal and suburban Long Island.
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That was my initial quote, and it is right.
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The few trains that do go direct to Brooklyn are mostly for special circumstances of demand, and those special circumstances will continue in the future.
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There are regularly-scheduled one-seat rides between Brooklyn and suburban LI right now. They will be done away with entirely in the future. If you have proof to the contrary, as you claim "direct service" between Brooklyn and suburban LI is not being eliminated, than post a link. I already posted a link showing that such service is being eliminated. The onus is on you to post a link that it's not being eliminated.
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ESA has nothing to do with summer weekends in the Hamptons, events at Barclays Center, the West Indian Day Parade and the like (the types of specific demand that forces LIRR to run direct trains from LI to non-traditional hubs.). ESA creates capacity constraints on LI that will require a third track in some locations, but it has absolutely nothing to do with service between Jamaica and Brooklyn.
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Nope. I never said ESA had anything to do with one-seat rides between Brooklyn and LI being eliminated. I said that there will no longer be such rides after ESA opens. That is not the same as saying the two are related.
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Not only did you claim that service was ending, you claimed it was common knowledge.
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More bullshit. I didn't say it was "common knowledge". You just made that up. I said I was surprised that Nexis4Jersey didn't know about it, as he's a rail buff, lives in New Jersey, and follows rail, especially in the Tri-State area. Not only has he started threads about rail transit in the Tri-State area on this and other forums, he even has a Youtube channel devoted to rail:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Nexis4Jersey
Now go ahead, and show me the exact quote where I said it was "common knowledge" that direct service is ending.
This was my initial post:
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Originally Posted by NorthernDancer
Unfortunately for passengers, once East Side Access opens, there will no longer be any one-seat rides between Atlantic Terminal and suburban Long Island.
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If you have proof that that claim is wrong, than go ahead and post it. Don't make bullshit claims that I never said.
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