Dead Malls of Canada

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Agree with so much of what's being said here.

I am surpised that there's not more kid friendly stuff in malls. Very gradually changing though. I've seen those stuffed animals you can ride on at Woodbine in Etobicoke and Burlington Mall. I rented two of them at the latter and it was $10 each for 12 minutes. And the lady wiped down the handle bars upon return and also just before you take it for a spin.

Like last year, Burlington Mall had the santa train driving around in a loop in one small section of the mall. Not sure if they've done it before that. Kids find these things very hard to resist.

I like that I live 5 minutes from Oakville Place. The mall is near full occupancy, has tonnes of natural light and does not attract the riff raff you would get at Eaton Centre, Square One, Yorkdale, etc. There just isn't enough desired stores for young people, so it works out for the older demographic and those with young kids. However, there isn't a tonne to do for kids other than coin op rides and sports car buggies to sit in. But that's like most malls.

The power centre at Burloak and QEW has had declining occupancy for years now. Moreso than the average GTA power centre. I can't really explain why other than it just might be excess retail. They now rent out units to tenants they never would have imagined renting to before. Like indoor golf simulator or the bins store where they have organized liquidation stuff but also random shit in bins where the pricing is different each day of the week. Wednesday for example is 3 for $5. That's the kind of store you find at some old industrial building that is just waiting to be bought out, demolished and redeveloped. There is also now gym for Burlington Gynmastics Club. Those usually would be found in a light industrial plaza, not at a big box plaza.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by megadude

The power centre at Burloak and QEW has had declining occupancy for years now. Moreso than the average GTA power centre. I can't really explain why other than it just might be excess retail. They now rent out units to tenants they never would have imagined renting to before. Like indoor golf simulator or the bins store where they have organized liquidation stuff but also random shit in bins where the pricing is different each day of the week. Wednesday for example is 3 for $5. That's the kind of store you find at some old industrial building that is just waiting to be bought out, demolished and redeveloped. There is also now gym for Burlington Gynmastics Club. Those usually would be found in a light industrial plaza, not at a big box plaza.

Excess retail in the broader area, and it's in a no-man's land surrounded by industry with limited access to a single major street. I doubt many people go by and think "hey, I need to stop at X" and then drive into the complex (the theatres are the most visible thing from Burloak Drive). The long-planned Wyecroft Road extension would help it a lot, never mind improving the road network in the area.

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by ScreamingViking

Excess retail in the broader area, and it's in a no-man's land surrounded by industry with limited access to a single major street. I doubt many people go by and think "hey, I need to stop at X" and then drive into the complex (the theatres are the most visible thing from Burloak Drive). The long-planned Wyecroft Road extension would help it a lot, never mind improving the road network in the area.

I've heard rumours that Costco is looking at the plaza as well, which would involve demolishing a good chunk of it to build a Costco warehouse.

It makes sense as Halton Region is generally very underserved by Costco, particularly given it's median household incomes.

Also - Power Centres generally underperform for certian retail types. Day to day retail performs best in power centres, but things like clothes retailing does better in a more traditional mall format. The Oakville power centre is a "clothes" power centre so it's not doing too well.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

I've heard rumours that Costco is looking at the plaza as well, which would involve demolishing a good chunk of it to build a Costco warehouse.

Good, especially for the regular shoppers (I'm not one at present). The Burlington Costco is a nightmare, and it's surprising there isn't one in Milton already.

I can envision it all becoming something more like what's at QEW and Fifty Rd. in Stoney Creek (very outdated satellite view).


I wonder if IKEA looked at that site too? They were considering moving their Burlington store, to a site near Walkers Line and the QEW I believe, before deciding to remain where they are; the Burloak site is only around 5 km farther eastward and much more convenient for the Oakville market.

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Also - Power Centres generally underperform for certian retail types. Day to day retail performs best in power centres, but things like clothes retailing does better in a more traditional mall format. The Oakville power centre is a "clothes" power centre so it's not doing too well.

Good point.

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Yeah, if you live in the middle of Oakville then your Costco options are a good 15-20 minutes east (Mississauga) or west (Burlington). Oakville and Milton do seem ripe for Costco locations.

As for that power centre, that bins store actually does have some good deals, but I wouldn't go out of the way for it. For some reason, just from Dec. 14-20 every thing was a dollar. I am having a superhero theme and princess theme for my kids' birhtdays this year. Got the following brand new costumes for a buck each: Adult Batman, kids Batman, kids Wonder Woman, kids Ghost Spider, adult Elsa dress, Frozen bithday banner. Also got several new boxes of 3 superhero figures from Batman movie. And several other items. And funny enough, much of the inventory was 4th of July crap. And their shopping carts are from Wynn Dixie and look like they are from the 60s or 70s.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Proof Sheet

I think you need a visit to Bari. I hear that they are on the edge of a retail precipice.

yes, it was a full scale crisis. Miketoronto was completely spooked by the decline of the Bari shopping mall scene. Personally, I blame these guys:

Source: Staten Island or Northern New Jersey.

[Proof Sheet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaexwRmr_bc

[MolsonExport]

^great. The world famous Honeydale Mall gets a shoutout in the video.

[matt602]

Hamilton City Centre ain't looking so hot these days.

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[harls]

Jackson Square.. wasn't that an album by the Arkells?

I love this song:

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[Hawrylyshyn]

Indeed -- the Arkells are from Hamilton (met at McMaster)

Worth noting Jackson Square and Hamilton City Centre are *slightly* different. Two seperate malls on the same city block. City Centre is closed and is set to be replaced with condos

[Build.It]

Originally Posted by matt602

Hamilton City Centre ain't looking so hot these days.

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I didn't realize that it never got renovated. Strange to see all those early 90s decor and signs used until the very end.

[cslusarc]

Will Regina's Cornwall Centre will be Canada's next Dead Mall once it's Hudson's Bay anchor closes next April?

[youngregina]

Originally Posted by cslusarc

Will Regina's Cornwall Centre will be Canada's next Dead Mall once it's Hudson's Bay anchor closes next April?

I don't think it'll die. Hudson's Bay at the Cornwall Centre hasn't been a major draw for over a decade. I would say there is now opportunity for something like a Sportcheck, Marks, Winners, or similar medium sized anchor. Lot's of hockey dads and soccer mom types work downtown. Those stores are better suited for Regina's sports and recreation oriented lifestyle.

It is a bit of shame and hopefully HBC will look at opening a standalone store or breathe some life into Vic East or something. I can't imagine Regina going without one... considering Lethbridge, Red Deer and Medicine Hat all operate successful locations.

[MolsonExport]

Will Royalmount kill Rockland Centre? They are less than 2kms apart (one highway exit).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/RO...oASAFQAw%3D%3D

[FactaNV]

Great news for a dying mall in downtown Winnipeg.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...-ask-1.7319934

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

The London Mall in London (indoor portion) is down to a Sears scratch & dent, a pakistani import store selling sarongs, and perplexingly, a southern-style pork BBQ lunchroom. A shittier mall, I never saw, except that Honeydale thing in Etobicoke....Oxbury mall also in London is almost as shitty.

Rumour has it the mall is slated for demolition.

Well, the London Mall has almost been entirely repurposed. The "mall" portion is gone, having been absorbed by the T&T supermarket that is about to open. Value village, Dollarama, and some wholesaling operation took over the former Sears scratch & dent outlet mall. Freestanding store have been erected on pads in the parking lot. Quite a transformation, and two 33 storey (!!) buildings have been proposed for the northwest corner.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

Will Royalmount kill Rockland Centre? They are less than 2kms apart (one highway exit).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/RO...oASAFQAw%3D%3D

I was looking at some of the businesses in the area and came across this. It belongs in the Quebec thread. But look how much this business is respecting French language laws: https://maps.app.goo.gl/shJVN5y6p5nXZxxb9
It looks like something you would expect to see in the GTA or Greater Vancouver area and not so much Montreal. Well that new mall will likely be popular with immigrants.

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Loco101

I was looking at some of the businesses in the area and came across this. It belongs in the Quebec thread. But look how much this business is respecting French language laws: https://maps.app.goo.gl/shJVN5y6p5nXZxxb9
It looks like something you would expect to see in the GTA or Greater Vancouver area and not so much Montreal. Well that new mall will likely be popular with immigrants.

Ahh, Parc Extension. It used to feature some of the most economically-deprived areas of Canada (not sure if it still does), and it has always been a place where the most disadvantaged immigrants have settled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Extension

Somebody better call the OQLF, because these signs are not compliant.

Parc Extension is a weird place (not in a Trumpy/bad sense of the word, but by virtue of where it is situated: literally two blocks away from upscale Town of Mount Royal (TMR) and adjacent to wealthy Outremont (The francophone answer to Westmount).

Boulevard de l"Acadie has this fence, which is rather like the Berlin Wall, in the sense of the sharp divide between TMR and Parc Extension.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

Great news for a dying mall in downtown Winnipeg.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...-ask-1.7319934

TrueNorth gonna own the entirety of Winnipeg soon enough.