TORONTO l Oxford Place l 326 M / 1,070 FT x 2 l Norman Foster - Page 12

isaidso · #**221** Posted **Mar 18, 2013, 7:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yackemflaber69

as much as i hate the design ^^ that is sick

I guess no design is going to appeal to everyone. Out of the last 1000 skyscrapers proposed/built around the world, this is easily in my top 10.

DrNest · #**222** Posted **Mar 18, 2013, 8:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by ih8pickingusernames

I do wish it looked more like those french twin towers

I don't. Those French towers look wrong to me. They don't seem to have the right proportions and aesthetics for my taste. I much prefer the Oxford proposals.

ih8pickingusernames · #**223** Posted **Mar 18, 2013, 11:04 PM**

Oxford juts out a little to much...

Same design...
Wish it was a little more square.

isaidso · #**224** Posted **Mar 19, 2013, 7:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by drnest

i don't. Those french towers look wrong to me. They don't seem to have the right proportions and aesthetics for my taste. I much prefer the oxford proposals.

+1

ih8pickingusernames · #**225** Posted **Mar 19, 2013, 7:39 PM**

How do you think this looks? 2 sections instead of 3.

I'm bad at photo editing so please excuse my lack of skills. Lol.

ih8pickingusernames · #**226** Posted **Mar 22, 2013, 10:20 PM**

CTV reported tonight that the casino will likely be built in either Vaughan or Markham. Most likely beside the GTA centre or somewhere else there.

LeftCoaster · #**227** Posted **Mar 25, 2013, 3:22 PM**

Impossible, Caltrane said it would be downtown...

ih8pickingusernames · #**228** Posted **Mar 25, 2013, 9:17 PM**

^If it win's the Ontario Place spot. Otherwise it will likely be built in Vaughan or Markham.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/gta-could-...s-no-1.1207982

isaidso · #**229** Posted **Mar 29, 2013, 7:23 PM**

This needs to go on Front Street West just like Oxford is proposing. If City Council fumbles this one they need to get their heads checked. This proposal checks off so many boxes most cities around the world would be salivating at the opportunity.

- decking of the rail tracks
- a substantial downtown urban park
- an internationally relevant tourist attraction
- a massive boost to our tourism industry
- thousands of jobs
- a multi-billion dollar investment
- top shelf architecture this city hasn't seen since TD Centre was built in the 1960s
- the rejuvenation of a currently forgettable stretch of downtown
- reconnection of the city to areas south of the rail tracks

Toronto? It's gambling! Let's pretend it doesn't exist and shove it some place out of sight. What a bunch of dinosaurs.

WhipperSnapper · #**230** Posted **Mar 29, 2013, 7:55 PM**

More of the typical hyperbole from the king of vanity, Isaidso. What does decking over the tracks, top shelf architecture, etc. have to do with a casino and if casinos are such boosts to tourism why are most stucco boxes surrounded by parking lots in back corners of cities and/or why isn't central Detroit seeing massive amounts of real estate speculation?

Downtown Toronto doesn't need a large scale, inward focused casino resort that will do nothing to rejuvenate an area that hardly needs rejuvenation. We don't need a mall of overpriced chain stores that can be found the world over or a 3000 room hotel. The very last thing we need are more mega sized condo projects with 600 plus units.

isaidso · #**231** Posted **Mar 29, 2013, 11:03 PM**

The selfishness of some people is astonishing. You don't want it, so no one else can have it either? If you don't want a casino, don't visit it.

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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

More of the typical hyperbole from the king of vanity, Isaidso.

Your preponderance for insulting people you know nothing about knows no limits. 90% of what comes out of your mouth is utter garbage. I'm vain, and you're tag line is 'Master of the Universe'? If you say so.

If I haven't made myself clear numerous times, I have no interest in any communication with you so why do you continue to do so?

BUZZ OFF! Is that any clearer?

ih8pickingusernames · #**232** Posted **Apr 1, 2013, 2:20 PM**

Is this proposal dead?

caltrane74 · #**233** Posted **May 6, 2013, 11:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by ih8pickingusernames

Hope this gets built. Oxford Place is starting to look dead.

Is this taller than FCP???

With or Without the Casino, Oxford Place (Towers) portion will likely go through, and without the Casino probably at an increased rate as well, cause all that municipal politics stuff will be for the most part routine as it deals with condos.

Gresto · #**234** Posted **May 7, 2013, 3:50 AM**

^I like your optimism. We might see Oxford subjected to the obligatory and long-lamented Toronto Downsizing. I will be pleasantly surprised if these go up at the proposed 1070, and 500-700 for the hotel towers.

isaidso · #**235** Posted **May 7, 2013, 4:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gresto

^I like your optimism. We might see Oxford subjected to the obligatory and long-lamented Toronto Downsizing. I will be pleasantly surprised if these go up at the proposed 1070, and 500-700 for the hotel towers.

I'm still holding out hope. I agree with Caltrane that the office component and new convention centre might be viable with or without the casino. The new park on top of the train tracks would likely be lost though. The huge casino investment was what would have paid for it. If that comes to pay we can thank Vaughan and Layton for that monumental blunder.

Gresto · #**236** Posted **May 7, 2013, 4:50 AM**

The loss of the park covering the tracks would be very unfortunate, however I'm ambivalent about a casino in that location.

isaidso · #**237** Posted **May 7, 2013, 6:09 AM**

I've always found it bizarre that we allow some things as long as it's tucked away out of sight. Who are we fooling? Sticking a casino in Woodbine/CNE doesn't mean it no longer exists even though people trick themselves into thinking so. All it does is give the benefit to some other place.

We wouldn't build our chief cultural assets like museums and galleries in Woodbine/CNE, and we shouldn't build what promises to be our biggest tourist attraction in Woodbine/CNE. Sort of defeats the purpose. You build these things smack dab in the middle of your downtown. Half of the appeal of traveling all the way to Toronto to gamble is that it would be right in the middle of our spectacular downtown. None of those people are going to come if it's in Woodbine/CNE.

Having it downtown is what makes it unique and worth visiting, it's this casino's calling card.

Gresto · #**238** Posted **May 7, 2013, 8:49 PM**

It's not a matter of hiding something, though I do think something in the style of Vegas is tacky and better unseen. I'm more concerned about the traffic in what is already an extremely busy part of the city. Can you imagine thousands more cars and tourist buses streaming into the area? That's right next to the Skydome and the CN Tower, two huge tourist attractions, plus the MCC and the under-construction aquarium. With the addition of a major casino, the area would be an unmitigated congestion nightmare.

isaidso · #**239** Posted **May 8, 2013, 12:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Gresto

It's not a matter of hiding something, though I do think something in the style of Vegas is tacky and better unseen. I'm more concerned about the traffic in what is already an extremely busy part of the city. Can you imagine thousands more cars and tourist buses streaming into the area? That's right next to the Skydome and the CN Tower, two huge tourist attractions, plus the MCC and the under-construction aquarium. With the addition of a major casino, the area would be an unmitigated congestion nightmare.

Firstly, a Vegas style casino is NOT what is being proposed. From what I've seen in the renderings, it's far from being tacky and/or garish.

Secondly, congestion is an issue for all tall proposals in our downtown. That people are singling out 2 towers out of the 53 tall towers being proposed for Toronto smells of something else. If these were condos, people wouldn't be bringing this up. They'd be pushing city council to get on with transit expansion/upgrades.

When Skydome was built people warned of impeding gridlock. There is some on game day, but most people take transit. Why would this be any different? Most Torontonians would arrive by subway while tourists would do the same or be within walking distance. Downtown is livelier/better for having the Jays, Argonauts, Raptors, and Leafs downtown and a downtown casino would ensure its hopping every day, not just when a game is on. Quite frankly, I love busy streets.

Gresto · #**240** Posted **May 8, 2013, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Secondly, congestion is an issue for all tall proposals in our downtown.... If these were condos, people wouldn't be bringing this up. ...

Not necessarily. From my empirical, common-sense perspective, downtown condo dwellers are much more likely to not require a car than casino patrons. There are 4,000 underground parking spaces envisioned in the Oxford plan.