noirish Los Angeles - Page 1926

GaylordWilshire · #**38501** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 12:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock

1934

http://waterandpower.org/8%20Histori..._In_ca1934.jpg

At a time when propriety required a certain amount of dressing up even just to go to the movies at a downtown theater, ladies were lured to the drive-in with the slogan "Leave Your Girdle at Home."

The Drive-In became the Pico; it was later moved west to become the Olympic. The story is here: http://losangeleshistory.blogspot.co...histories.html

BifRayRock · #**38502** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 2:16 AM**

If you build it . . . they may come, until the novelty wears thin or everyone gets a TV.

1934 - Drive-In on Pico

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/3437

We've seen a Green Spray before (Fairfax and San Vicente). http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=22728

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/3437

High Fidelity in '34

Dust free. Guarunteeeed.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/3452

Handy Andy. Hope it gets dark soon.

Glorious Black and White.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...0coll2/id/4188

Who said the best views are from the back seat?

Of course, Will Rogers' sad demise came in 1935.

http://images.fineartamerica.com/ima...er-everett.jpg

ethereal_reality · #**38503** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 5:15 AM**

We have visited "The Hot Dog Show" previously on NLA, but this 1953 slide is new to the thread. (I just found it on ebay)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...YAAOSwiDFYPfub

from the seller:

There were a number of locations for this well-remembered eatery. This one doesn't look like any of the old locations I'm seeing pictures of on Google.
The family was from Long Beach - so it makes sense that this might be the location that was once on Broadway Avenue. It also looks like Broadway to me
...except there's no flower island in the middle of the street any more.

This is a Kodachrome 35mm Slide. On the back of the mount written in green ink: "Flower Island in Middle of Street - Hot Dog Show at Far Right / 1953"
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So which 'Hot Dog Dog' location do you think it is?

To me, it looks like the location at 4300 Riverside Drive (Burbank) that was used three years later in "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" 1956.

originally posted by Martin_Pal

Invasion Of The Body Snatchers http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=19627

Perhaps the steak house across the street will give us the definitive answer.

detail

Can anyone read the name of the steak house?
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BifRayRock · #**38504** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 5:11 PM**

The Whiz Inn and The Onyx Club. Bring ID and an appetite.

Manchester Blvd. Inglewood, undated.

http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...coll2/id/10789

Onyx Club for Ribs and Cocktails. 2916 W Manchester Blvd.

Citizen's National at 2745 W. Manchester Blvd.

1943

http://assets.bonappetit.com/photos/...-Whiz-Inn1.jpg

Thanks for the followup T2. No big poultry fan, so I'll pass.

VVVVV Interesting Torrance Newspaper ads for "The Buggy Whip" the "Pen and Quill" but they are more likely from 1956.

Contemporary - BYO detergent

GoogleStreetView

tovangar2 · #**38505** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 5:27 PM**

bon appetit

cookbooks

torrance herald 12/30/36

odinthor · #**38506** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 5:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

We have visited "The Hot Dog Show" previously on NLA, but this 1953 slide is new to the thread. (I just found it on ebay)

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Perhaps the steak house across the street will give us the definitive answer.

detail

Can anyone read the name of the steak house?
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Not me; but it appears that the flowers are dwarf Dahlias, a pretty surprising thing to plant on a traffic island (the heat emanating from the surrounding pavement would not be to their liking).

tovangar2 · #**38507** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 5:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by odinthor

Not me; but it appears that the flowers are dwarf Dahlias, a pretty surprising thing to plant on a traffic island (the heat emanating from the surrounding pavement would not be to their liking).

Thx, I mistakenly thought they were mums. That's a century plant at center, right?

odinthor · #**38508** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 5:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by HossC

It makes more sense the right way around

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The brick (?) building at lower mid-right margin has always fascinated me (where "always fascinated" = "borne momentary vague interest for"), as it tends to jut out from its surroundings in wider views with a certain incongruity. Here it is from another angle (dead center):

odinthor collection

It seems like premises for a warehouse and/or light industry.

odinthor · #**38509** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 6:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

Thx, I mistakenly thought they were mums. That's a century plant at center, right?

Right, the noble Agave americana. I used to grow a lot of Agaves, and think they're way cool; but, because of their spines and their sap (which irritates the skin), they can be challenging to deal with. They're an example of a category I have: "plants I enjoy a lot . . . when they're not my responsibility."

ethereal_reality · #**38510** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 6:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by tovangar2

That's a century plant at center, right?

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Originally Posted by odinthor

Right, the noble Agave americana.

http://waterandpower.org

I believe that's a healthy specimen of an Agave americana on the right..........>

So what's the similar plant on the left, Yucca?
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CityBoyDoug · #**38511** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

We have visited "The Hot Dog Show" previously on NLA, but this 1953 slide is new to the thread. (I just found it on ebay)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...YAAOSwiDFYPfub

[SIZE="3"]Could this location be Broadway and Olive St......Long Beach?

HossC · #**38512** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by odinthor

The brick (?) building at lower mid-right margin has always fascinated me (where "always fascinated" = "borne momentary vague interest for"), as it tends to jut out from its surroundings in wider views with a certain incongruity. Here it is from another angle (dead center):

odinthor collection

It seems like premises for a warehouse and/or light industry.

Your mystery building appears in this 1927 view from City Hall's tower.

USC Digital Library

Here's a close-up.

Detail of image above

The building is next to the Hotel La Crosse, and doesn't reach Hill Street, so I think it's the back of the Mason Opera House. Here's part of the 1921 Baist map.

Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

HossC · #**38513** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 8:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

We have visited "The Hot Dog Show" previously on NLA, but this 1953 slide is new to the thread. (I just found it on ebay)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Sli...YAAOSwiDFYPfub

Perhaps the steak house across the street will give us the definitive answer.

Can anyone read the name of the steak house?

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Could this location be Broadway and Olive St......Long Beach?

The 1955 Long Beach CD lists the Apple Valley Steak House at 733 E Broadway, with The Hot Dog Show at 745 E Broadway. The apartment building behind the steak house is still standing. I think the flowers are in the triangle I've arrowed below. The aerial is from 1953, the same date as the original picture. The end of Olive Avenue south of E Broadway has since become a parking lot, so the former island is now just a flower bed with trees at the side of Alamitos Avenue.

Historic Aerials

HossC · #**38514** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 8:40 PM**

I've decided to take a Christmas break from the Julius Shulman archive, so this will be the last post until the new year. Don't worry - I'll still be checking in to NLA and posting on other topics

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This is Julius Shulman's "Job 219: Gruen and Krummeck, Horton and Converse (Beverly Hills, Calif.),1948".

There are four images in the set, two from each side, so I decided to just post two of them. Sadly, there are no views of the interior.

Both from Getty Research Institute

One of the omitted shots shows the number 9442, so this must be 9442 Wilshire Boulevard, Beverly Hills, which was Horton & Converse Pharmacies' "Store No 4" in the 1956 CD. On the left was Richard Bennett, "Custom Tailoring to Gentlemen since 1886", at 9440 Wilshire Boulevard. On the right was a Pig n Whistle restaurant at 9454 Wilshire Boulevard. This whole block has been replaced, so I haven't bothered with a "now" picture. Horton & Converse is still in business at three nearby locations.

odinthor · #**38515** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 9:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

http://waterandpower.org

I believe that's a healthy specimen of an Agave americana on the right..........>

So what's the similar plant on the left, Yucca?
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That would be your ever-popular New Zealand Flax, Phormium tenax, or maybe a hybrid with another species of Phormium. They're attractive and useful; but, well, with time, they get to be kind of a nasty clump, the sort one feels that there are rodents and other such critters hiding in. Modern varieties are of all sorts of colors, variegations, and sizes. I was at the check-out counter buying a teeny dwarf brown-bronze colored one once upon a time, and the person behind me asked, seriously, "Why are you buying a dead plant?" (I answered, "For a friend," which ended the conversation.)

odinthor · #**38516** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 9:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by HossC

Your mystery building appears in this 1927 view from City Hall's tower.

USC Digital Library

Here's a close-up.

Detail of image above

The building is next to the Hotel La Crosse, and doesn't reach Hill Street, so I think it's the back of the Mason Opera House. Here's part of the 1921 Baist map.

Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Splendid, HossC--thanks. The building is one of those things such that, as soon as it enters one's consciousness, you can't look at a pic of the area without your eyes going straight to it (or its anticipated location).

tovangar2 · #**38517** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 9:29 PM**

One more of the rear of the Mason Opera House odinthor. This one a 1955 Arnold Hylen shot. Taken looking SE over the empty site of the Highland Villa, w/ the close-to-complete Law Library on the left. LAPD HQ at center. Previously posted by gsjansen, but the image has disappeared:

downtownlatheaters

tovangar2 · #**38518** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 10:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by HossC

This is Julius Shulman's "Job 219: Gruen and Krummeck, Horton and Converse (Beverly Hills, Calif.),1948".

The prolific Gruen and Krummeck also did the Milliron's at Sepulveda and La Tijera (1949), no stranger to the thread, with its free-standing display windows and "space-age" ramp to the rooftop parking. These Shulman images are from HossC. His is one of many NLA posts on the building (many more images, including current ones, at the link):

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Originally Posted by HossC

Julius Shulman visited Milliron's in the year it opened. This is his "Job 434: Gruen and Krummeck, Milliron's (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1949". I'll start with this view of the front on a wet night in Westchester.

The entrance to the roof-top parking lot looked fabulous at night.

Victor Gruen ("father of the shopping mall") and Elsie Krummeck have an interesting story, told here and here

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GaylordWilshire · #**38519** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 10:59 PM**

Re Victor Gruen--out today on KCET's Lost LA: https://www.kcet.org/shows/lost-la/t...e-to-regret-it

ethereal_reality · #**38520** Posted **Dec 23, 2016, 11:57 PM**

re: The Hot Dog Show 1953 kodachrome slide.

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Could this location be Broadway and Olive St......Long Beach?

Originally posted by HossC

Hoss, I couldn't help but notice the building that appears to have a dome. (circle in blue above..and below)

it's still there...

google_earth

Here's a closer look.

google_earth

Well, it isn't quite a 'dome', but it's still intriguing.

street view

gsv

The place is Roscoe's Chicken & Waffles.

what style of architecture is this? I can't put my finger on it.

gsv

here's a glimpse of the sign

gsv

I'm a bit confused by the sign.

If you look closely there's a smaller 'Club West' beneath the Roscoe's sign at top (and there's also a list of performers/acts)

So is Roscoe's Chicken 'n Waffles half restaurant....half jazz club (?)

I think this might be the 'rotunda' area under the pointed 'turret/dome'.

yelp
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