Demographic impact of urban exodus

[RST500]

This was discussed in the Bay Area tech thread but what will be the impacts of mass migrations and exoduses on different urban areas' class and demographic structures.

[JAYNYC]

Originally Posted by RST500

This was discussed in the Bay Area tech thread but what will be the impacts of mass migrations and exoduses on different urban areas' class and demographic structures.

Uhhhh, are you making a statement, or asking a question?

[Handro]

What urban exodus?

[MolsonExport]

where is everyone going to go? Asscrack, Arkansas?

[photoLith]

I’m leaving the city, it’s going to hell in a hand basket, the browns and gays are moving in. I’m moving to the burbs with my WASP family ASAP.

[JAYNYC]

Originally Posted by photoLith

I’m leaving the city, it’s going to hell in a hand basket, the browns and gays are moving in. I’m moving to the burbs with my WASP family ASAP.

Yeah, so are there any mods left in this forum? Or are they part of this same extreme right-wing racist, homophobic agenda?

[Handro]

Originally Posted by JAYNYC

Yeah, so are there any mods left in this forum? Or are they part of this same extreme right-wing racist, homophobic agenda?

I think photoLith was being ironic...

[ilcapo]

Originally Posted by JAYNYC

Yeah, so are there any mods left in this forum? Or are they part of this same extreme right-wing racist, homophobic agenda?

I think he/she was being sarcastic.

[The North One]

Originally Posted by Handro

What urban exodus?

Everybody is Nostradamus right now, they've all got wild predictions they're convinced of.

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

where is everyone going to go? Asscrack, Arkansas?

maybe. Arkansas is a gorgeous state with tons of outdoor amenities. i've considered moving there from time to time.

[mhays]

Some trends will be opposite, even if there's an outflow. For example, if you don't like commuting you can live within walking distance of work. There might actually be an increase in downtown and mixed-use living.

Another trend, if telecommuting really become big, if trips to the office can be seldom/never: Live in a place you like. Your favorite "lifestyle" city, the small town back home, etc. Maybe you make a name for yourself in a more traditional environment for a while, but move back to Iowa pretty quickly.

[llamaorama]

Originally Posted by IWant2BeInSTL

maybe. Arkansas is a gorgeous state with tons of outdoor amenities. i've considered moving there from time to time.

Yeah but even then, there is a world of difference between living in NW Arkansas versus somewhere like Pine Bluff.

If Arkansas gained people leaving large cities from the coasts chances are they would move to places with amenities and services in arms reach.

And even then this has huge unintended consequences. If Silicon Valley engineers moved to Arkansas, they'd live in some nice private gated community with exclusive lake access and pay hardly any taxes. The people who prep their food and fix their appliances and pour the concrete foundations of their house are going to live in nasty trailer parks, their kids will go to shit rural schools, they'll pay more for transportation, and their quality of life will be severely degraded. Instead of improving equality by redistributing wealth out of the largest cities to a poorer region, it would increase it by furthering a race to the bottom

[RST500]

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[IrishIllini]

The virus is spreading fastest in states with low population density urban areas.

Increasing
-CA
-TX
-FL
-NC
-TN
-WA
-AZ
-MS
-MO
-SC
-UT
-KY
-AR
-SD
-PR
-ID
-VT
-AK
-MT

Flat
-MA
-VA
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-LA
-OH
-CO
-IA
-WI
-AL
-NE
-NV
-NM
-OK
-NH
-OR
-WV
-Guam
-HI

Falling
-NY
-NJ
-IL
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-MI
-MD
-CT
-IN
-ME
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-ME
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The NE and upper Midwest were most afflicted by case counts though.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

[JManc]

Originally Posted by IrishIllini

The virus is spreading fastest in states with low population density urban areas.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-us-cases.html

Much of this had to do with a lot of these states opening up earlier than northern states. Texas opened up May 1 and low and behold, cases started trending upward on May 13 and is continuing to peak. New York is now just starting to open up and stricter about it.

Originally Posted by llamaorama

Yeah but even then, there is a world of difference between living in NW Arkansas versus somewhere like Pine Bluff.

If Arkansas gained people leaving large cities from the coasts chances are they would move to places with amenities and services in arms reach.

And even then this has huge unintended consequences. If Silicon Valley engineers moved to Arkansas, they'd live in some nice private gated community with exclusive lake access and pay hardly any taxes. The people who prep their food and fix their appliances and pour the concrete foundations of their house are going to live in nasty trailer parks, their kids will go to shit rural schools, they'll pay more for transportation, and their quality of life will be severely degraded. Instead of improving equality by redistributing wealth out of the largest cities to a poorer region, it would increase it by furthering a race to the bottom

wow. all i said is that Arkansas has great natural amenities (as opposed to being a giant ass crack). thus, i can understand some people wanting to live there. sounds like you have a lot of opinions about it.

[craigs]

I know a couple who moved from San Francisco to Bentonville, Arkansas relatively recently. She works for Walmart and was originally from there, so there is that connection, but they're getting married in January and it's definitely easier to start a family there than in SF. They are building a house from scratch, but it's not a McMansion or anything.

[llamaorama]

Originally Posted by craigs

I know a couple who moved from San Francisco to Bentonville, Arkansas relatively recently. She works for Walmart and was originally from there, so there is that connection, but they're getting married in January and it's definitely easier to start a family there than in SF. They are building a house from scratch, but it's not a McMansion or anything.

I've been to Arkansas a few times. It's not a huge state but has distinct regions. The NW corner of the state, because of Wally World and the hills, is a different kind of place from the center of the state where Little Rock is, which in turn feels very different from the flat plains of the Mississippi Delta. The part in the corner by Missouri feels more like extra Missouri.

My point stands, if you go to any smaller place in the rural south that is not some outlier economic miracle with corporate or hipster appeal like Fayetteville-Bentonville or Greenville, SC or Chatanooga, TN, then it is objectively true that working class small towns and the rural sprawl are not so lovely places to live for a variety of reasons.

Originally Posted by llamaorama

I've been to Arkansas a few times. It's not a huge state but has distinct regions. The NW corner of the state, because of Wally World and the hills, is a different kind of place from the center of the state where Little Rock is, which in turn feels very different from the flat plains of the Mississippi Delta. The part in the corner by Missouri feels more like extra Missouri.

My point stands, if you go to any smaller place in the rural south that is not some outlier economic miracle with corporate or hipster appeal like Fayetteville-Bentonville or Greenville, SC or Chatanooga, TN, then it is objectively true that working class small towns and the rural sprawl are not so lovely places to live for a variety of reasons.

Actually, the majority of the state is covered in forests and hills—the Ozarks and Ouachitas—with numerous lakes and rivers scattered about. It's also objectively true that there are plenty of shitty, working-class small towns and rural sprawl in the Southwest, West, Northwest, North, North East, East, and Southeast. Anyway, we get it; you won't be moving to Arkansas anytime soon. No worries.

[JManc]

I have a soft spot for Arkansas; my maternal grandmother was from there and we called our great-grandmother "Grandma Rock" because...Little Rock.