[Dartmouth] King's Wharf (Building E) | 85 m | 27 fl | U/C

[someone123]

The tower portion looks fairly nice but the rest is a little odd. I guess under the grass will be more interior space?

Wide open spaces are less than ideal for waterfront developments in Dartmouth given the climate.

[dartmouthian]

that tower looks amazing. I can't wait to see this one built

[JET]

"Wide open spaces are less than ideal for waterfront developments in Dartmouth given the climate"

Someone123; is there something about the climate in Dartmouth that is different from that in Halifax? I'm not sure what you mean by that statement. JET

[Keith P.]

Not to speak for Someone 123 but I can understand his meaning. Having spent some time working in a building on the waterfront the difference the harbor makes to climate is amazing. In summer it was often a pleasant few degrees cooler; but this time of year, it was often far more frigid than even just a few blocks away. It can be quite unpleasant in cold weather.

[someone123]

I'm not saying Dartmouth is worse, I'm saying that big, open spaces around the waterfront anywhere (like that big green platform thing would be) are going to be unpleasant for a significant chunk of the year due mainly to wind. A rendering of a calm, sunny, warm day with people casually strolling is not necessarily representative of average conditions.

I think the best design for the climate in the Halifax area is to have lots of enclosed, sheltered spaces where wind and rain are minimized. Some new developments have done this a bit with arcades (Bishop's Landing, Salter's Gate, Marriott) but usually not very effectively (e.g. it gets set half a floor below the sidewalk so it feels semi-private and is not worth walking under for half a block).

[Barrington south]

I know we are unlikely to see another hurricane the same magnitude as Juan in our lifetime but when it did hit, Bishop's Landing got slammed and there was a lot of flooding, wind damage,etc....one can only imagine what would happen to that 30 storey tower and all that flash landscaping in something similar...it's in a very exposed location

[Barrington south]

Originally Posted by someone123

unpleasant for a significant chunk of the year due mainly to wind..

you just need to walk around the harbour side of purdy's wharf or the casino to experience just how nasty it can get in the winter

[Dmajackson]

Originally Posted by someone123

I think the best design for the climate in the Halifax area is to have lots of enclosed, sheltered spaces where wind and rain are minimized. Some new developments have done this a bit with arcades (Bishop's Landing, Salter's Gate, Marriott) but usually not very effectively (e.g. it gets set half a floor below the sidewalk so it feels semi-private and is not worth walking under for half a block).

This happens all around the Harbour even in the Basin so really wide open spaces are not ideal at all. Just look at the Bedford Waterfront. Its completely wide open and because of that when I'm on my bicycle I stick to the roads because the average wind down there is strong and very cold.

[hfx_chris]

Yes it's unpleasant in the winter, but most places are unpleasant in the winter outside. During the summer months, the Ferry Terminal Park next to Alderney Gate is always full of people during lunch. I know, I used to eat lunch down there quite a bit.

[terrynorthend]

I tend to agree as well. Look at Purdy's Wharf - the actual wharf part. What a wasted space, only ever put to any use if there is a TallShips festival on the go.

[hollistreet]

I don't dissagree that the waterfront, Halifax, Dartmouth, Bedford, Toronto, Boston, can be very cold in winter, spring or fall but I have had many a coffee on a sunny winter day sitting along the south wall of Murphy's Wharf and it has been very comfortable. We live in a northern climate and there is little we can do about it.

[terrynorthend]

Originally Posted by hollistreet

I don't dissagree that the waterfront, Halifax, Dartmouth, Bedford, Toronto, Boston, can be very cold in winter, spring or fall but I have had many a coffee on a sunny winter day sitting along the south wall of Murphy's Wharf and it has been very comfortable. We live in a northern climate and there is little we can do about it.

Absolutely. Its quite nice there in the sun, warm and sheltered. I think we can put the waterfront to great use, and it can be very livable. I'm just wary of wide-open, large exposed spaces. They can be cold and windy.. sometimes too hot if there is not adequate shade.. and they are generally boring "dead" spaces. If they are flat and uniform, they don't even offer good viewing points for fireworks and harbour parades, as everyone crowds out to the edges anyways.

[kph06]

I would say judging by the rendering there is a glassed in area from the tower to the rest of the development, just to the left of the grass stairs/ramp thing in the middle of the picture. This would definitely be an interesting building as it would essentially be built right on a point, kind of like a big lighthouse.

[sdm]

Originally Posted by terrynorthend

I tend to agree as well. Look at Purdy's Wharf - the actual wharf part. What a wasted space, only ever put to any use if there is a TallShips festival on the go.

the wharf/ pier part? There is somewhere's plans of a office building, 5 or so storey, for that area.

[Halifaxgus]

[QUOTE=terrynorthend;4004682]Absolutely. Its quite nice there in the sun, warm and sheltered. I think we can put the waterfront to great use, and it can be very livable. I'm just wary of wide-open, large exposed spaces. They can be cold and windy.. "

A great way to adapt exposed spaces for the cold wind is to have lots of trees.

I live in Dartmouth Cove and keep an eye on the Marine Slips --

http://www.pbase.com/halifaxgus/king...r_construction

[Dmajackson]

Welcome to the forums "Halifaxgus".

Does anyone know when they are expecting to go before council to approve this development?

[hfx_chris]

Fantastic shots, Halifaxgus! Especially the ones of the CCG ship on fire.

[Barrington south]

Hey Halifax gus!....how's it goin'?

[Jonovision]

Great Photos!

[Halifaxgus]

For making me feel welcome.

It's frustrating waiting for any sign of construction at the Marine Slips. For all the "changes" I put on my site, *none* relate to building King's Wharf. :-(