ASU/UofA Downtown Phoenix construction thread

[Mr.RE]

Where is this site located?

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Mr.RE

Where is this site located?

Its the 1/3 lot left vacant behind the Law School off of Polk

[phoenixwillrise]

Good Night! Some of you people are a tough crowd. They just purchased the school 4 years ago and did you read that article? They are opening satellite campuses all over the world!!! They closed down the original Glendale Location selling it to another school. They leased several floors at the AZ Center bringing those students downtown. What do you want them to do build 24/7?
You do realize that the state of AZ is doing about jack to help them and that they have to do creative ways of raising money, like the Novus Project idea they came up with in Tempe to finance these projects. Often they announce a project like this a few years in advance to raise money for it through their foundation. This isn't easy to do skyscraper fans. What they are doing few institutions could pull off. Some of you have no clue how fortunate this city is to have movers and shakers like Michael Crow and Jerry Colangelo to lead the way in making this city something special. Wake up and drink the coffee! Without people like them this city and metro area would be an glorified El Centro.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by phoenixwillrise

Good Night! Some of you people are a tough crowd. They just purchased the school 4 years ago and did you read that article? They are opening satellite campuses all over the world!!! They closed down the original Glendale Location selling it to another school. They leased several floors at the AZ Center bringing those students downtown. What do you want them to do build 24/7?
You do realize that the state of AZ is doing about jack to help them and that they have to do creative ways of raising money, like the Novus Project idea they came up with in Tempe to finance these projects. Often they announce a project like this a few years in advance to raise money for it through their foundation. This isn't easy to do skyscraper fans. What they are doing few institutions could pull off. Some of you have no clue how fortunate this city is to have movers and shakers like Michael Crow and Jerry Colangelo to lead the way in making this city something special. Wake up and drink the coffee! Without people like them this city and metro area would be an glorified El Centro.

Nobody is mad about Thunderbird I think the angst comes from the "biomedical" campus which has been a thing since 2009 and the first building is currently under construction now.

[phoenixwillrise]

Originally Posted by Obadno

Nobody is mad about Thunderbird I think the angst comes from the "biomedical" campus which has been a thing since 2009 and the first building is currently under construction now.

Did you forget about the alliance they now have with the Mayo Clinic and what they have already started out there? Also unless I missed it the biomedical campus downtown also includes the UofA correct, and NAU?

Is there another state school in the nation that is building on several different campuses anywhere close to the extent ASU is doing? In addition to the Mayo Alliance they also have the Business Incubator deal going at Sky Song. Is it ok with you people if they sleep at night?

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by phoenixwillrise

Did you forget about the alliance they now have with the Mayo Clinic and what they have already started out there? Also unless I missed it the biomedical campus downtown also includes the UofA correct, and NAU?

Is there another state school in the nation that is building on several different campuses anywhere close to the extent ASU is doing? In addition to the Mayo Alliance they also have the Business Incubator deal going at Sky Song. Is it ok with you people if they sleep at night?

I don’t like that they gobbled up so much of the downtown area in a basic land banking move.

[phoenixwillrise]

Originally Posted by Obadno

I don’t like that they gobbled up so much of the downtown area in a basic land banking move.

Besides you who cares? They are playing a big roll in making downtown a viable place to be. Corporate America wasn't beating down the door to set up in downtown Phoenix. They had to get creative.

[combusean]

Phoenix residents are absolutely entitled to their opinion about ASU downtown considering the 2006 bond that's paying for a good chunk of the campus. Phoenix has a state-imposed cap on its primary property tax and that's money that could have funded other infrastructure. That money has to be spent with the most extreme caution and for something like 12 years been there's oodles of surface parking they own killing Fillmore St in particular. Then they go ahead and buy the buildings facing the park in 2016 instead of building the dorm on land they already own.

Moreover, ASU has wasted a lot of money on plans that went nowhere. They had immediate plans to demolish the 411 building but obviously that never happened. That's something all taxpayers in the state should be concerned about.

You act like ASU operates in a vacuum and that is totally not the case.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by phoenixwillrise

Besides you who cares? They are playing a big roll in making downtown a viable place to be. Corporate America wasn't beating down the door to set up in downtown Phoenix. They had to get creative.

I think you are misunderstanding criticism for dislike.

I am happy ASU is locating and investing in Downtown but they are currently occupying and not utilizing a huge chunk of Land that would be extremely desirable for development for the past several years.

Its not like ASU is struggling for cash, rather than buying up a bunch of land and holding in for an unlimited period of time they should be buying land as needed.

[combusean]

Yes. I was at the victory party for the bond and was ecstatic when Mayor Phil read the results.

ASU passed by the least margin of victory mind you compared to the 7 other ballot propositions so their mandate was not shared by everybody in Phoenix. Robert Robb lamented the sprawl of ASU--the $255 million in 2019 dollars could have gone to UofA or almost anyone else. A nationwide RFP would have been incredible but it was always a done deal that ASU got the money. One criticism I have of ASU is how they spread programs across the three campuses. There will probably never be a STEM program downtown synergizing with startups there. Arizona lacks a state university system that could have built Phoenix State University as a competitor to ASU but monolithic top down bloat is oddly favored in conservative Arizona.

ASU has been amazing for downtown--seeing backpacked students that first year was surreal and they kicked off its development. But in an alternate history, the dense apartment boom downtown that's happening all over the nation could have very likely happened without ASU. We can only wonder about what that would look like.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by combusean

Arizona lacks a state university system that could have built Phoenix State University as a competitor to ASU but monolithic top down bloat is oddly favored in conservative Arizona.

This is why I actually like what GCU did, they somehow broke the absolute monopoly ASU and UofA had on higher education. I would really like to see MCC turn into a 4 year or Phoenix College become more prominent.

Maybe in time but it would be better if we could more varied schools besides the Asu, UofA and distant third NAU

[phoenixwillrise]

Originally Posted by Obadno

This is why I actually like what GCU did, they somehow broke the absolute monopoly ASU and UofA had on higher education. I would really like to see MCC turn into a 4 year or Phoenix College become more prominent.

Maybe in time but it would be better if we could more varied schools besides the Asu, UofA and distant third NAU

GCU has done but that doesn't negate the positive ASU downtown has contributed to the rebirth of downtown Phoenix. In order to build a great downtown you need multiple verticles of growth. Sports, Entertainment, Cultural Venues and Events, Government, Corporate Headquarters, Condo's and Apartment, Retail etc. Subtract ASU's presence and you have a gaping hole. Crying about the footprint they have taken is a waste of time and doesn't recognize the fact that some older properties will transition in time when those properties get even more valuable.

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by phoenixwillrise

GCU has done but that doesn't negate the positive ASU downtown has contributed to the rebirth of downtown Phoenix. In order to build a great downtown you need multiple verticles of growth. Sports, Entertainment, Cultural Venues and Events, Government, Corporate Headquarters, Condo's and Apartment, Retail etc. Subtract ASU's presence and you have a gaping hole. Crying about the footprint they have taken is a waste of time and doesn't recognize the fact that some older properties will transition in time when those properties get even more valuable.

I dont know what to say about agree to disagree. I think ASU had no buisness buying up so much land and holding it for future development, they should have purchased the land as they went. so that more of downtown could develop around them.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Not sure if anyone caught this. Crane app for 290' submitted for the up-coming ASU residential on 1st Ave and Fillmore. Don't see a building app yet, but this may be decent in height.

Overview
Study (ASN): 2019-AWP-10073-OE
Prior Study:
Status: Work In Progress


Received Date: 09/03/2019
Entered Date: 09/03/2019
Map: View Map
Construction Info Structure Summary
Notice Of: CONSTR
Duration: TEMP (Months: 10 Days: 0)
Work Schedule: 01/01/2020 to 11/01/2020


Structure Type: Crane
Structure Name: ASU CCC
FCC Number:

Structure Details Height and Elevation
Latitude (NAD 83): 33° 27' 15.42" N
Longitude (NAD 83): 112° 04' 31.87" W
Datum: NAD 83
City: Phoenix
State: AZ
Nearest County: Maricopa


Proposed
Site Elevation:
1083
Structure Height:
290
Total Height (AMSL):
1373

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Not sure if anyone caught this. Crane app for 290' submitted for the up-coming ASU residential on 1st Ave and Fillmore. Don't see a building app yet, but this may be decent in height.

This would be the new Dormitory right?

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Obadno

This would be the new Dormitory right?

Correct. I can't remember how many floors, but I think it is something around 14?

[ASUSunDevil]

'Innovation Dorm' info via AZCentral:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...ts/2380462001/

Cost: $50 million in bonds to lease from third party, plus operations costs.

Projected completion: Fall 2021

A new 16-floor dorm, referred to as a “residence hall and entrepreneurial center,” located on the southwest corner of Fillmore Street and First Avenue in downtown Phoenix should help address ongoing shortages in housing for students at the downtown campus.

The dorm, which will be built by a third party instead of ASU, will focus on innovation, with special spaces for creative work, co-working, design and fabrication labs, according to board documents.

ASU programs in music, fashion and design are set to move to the downtown campus in Fall 2021. The first three floors of the new dorm will house the spaces for these and other programs, board documents say.

The university acknowledges it hasn’t met housing demands for its downtown campus. Especially with the move of the Herberger Institute for Design and the Arts and the opening of the Thunderbird School for Global Management facility, the school needs more rooms for students.

The new dorm will provide 532 beds, with studios, two-bedroom units and “four-bedroom apartment-style units.”

An outside developer, Downtown Phoenix Student Housing II, will lease the land from ASU and pay for the construction and operation of the project, and ASU will lease the academic and entrepreneurial space from them. The university will issue about $50 million in bonds to prepay the lease and purchase furniture and equipment. Tuition will fund the debt service. The school will also pay more than $500,000 annually for operations and maintenance costs, also funded by tuition.

Interesting fact: As part of the project, ASU is purchasing the site where a Bank of America sits today at Fillmore and First Avenue for about $1 million. But there will still be Bank of America ATM access there because the dorm will incorporate an ATM and drive-through into the building.

[ASU Diablo]

Lots of good nuggets there!

16-stories is pretty good and pretty interesting that they purchased the corner lot w/ the BofA ATM. For reference, Taylor Place is 13 stories.

Also, I think that's the first time we've seen a rendering for ITSB-7 and nice to see they will be incorporating the ditch and turning it into a water feature in the lobby/courtyard of the building.

GO DEVILS!

[CrestedSaguaro]

Here's the renderings. Looks pretty tall. Roughly the height of Westward Ho which is 208'. Really going to be a good addition with Stewart and the upcoming Aspire in the adjacent area.

[ASU Diablo]

Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Here's the renderings. Looks pretty tall. Roughly the height of Westward Ho which is 208'. Really going to be a good addition with Stewart and the upcoming Aspire in the adjacent area.

Great find! Looks pretty awesome!

Still trying to figure out how they are going to incorporate the damn drive-thru BofA ATM

guessing something like at the Brickyard in Tempe