The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[Uptowngal]

Originally Posted by sailor734

I wonder if an Urban sized Sobeys on the first floor would work......something like what's discussed here.....https://canadiangrocer.com/urban-pla...20and%20Ottawa.

or would most people living uptown still rather drive 5-10 minutes to a full sized store with parking?

I cannot speak for all uptown residents, but I would love to be able to walk to get groceries and much prefer it to driving to a full store. I already get as much as possible between Giant Tiger and the Market but then need to drive to get the rest of the essentials currently not available uptown.

[cdnguys]

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[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

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The Venetian and the Vistas are two of the nicer buildings that have gone up lately. We could use more like them.

Although, the location of the Venetian doesn't seem to have a lot going for it. No views and kind of nothing around it....very car dependent.

[cdnguys]

Residential exploding on that street - 6 homes just built - all sold. More foundations in at bottom and groundwork for at least 6 more at the top from what I can tell.

[sailor734]

Questions on timing for people who know about multi unit construction. What's a normal timeframe on the average 4 story apartment building from breaking ground to having tenants moving in? 24 months?

What about a "manufactured" version of these building that come in modules that are hoisted into position and assembled onsite? Is that a thing? Is it much faster? Costs more or less?

That last question was prompted by thinking about being taken to Expo 67 as a young kid and remembering all the buzz about Habitat and how cool and modern it looked.

https://www.habitat67.com/en/

[OliverD]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Questions on timing for people who know about multi unit construction. What's a normal timeframe on the average 4 story apartment building from breaking ground to having tenants moving in? 24 months?

What about a "manufactured" version of these building that come in modules that are hoisted into position and assembled onsite? Is that a thing? Is it much faster? Costs more or less?

That last question was prompted by thinking about being taken to Expo 67 as a young kid and remembering all the buzz about Habitat and how cool and modern it looked.

https://www.habitat67.com/en/

It's definitely a thing. There are several smaller apartment buildings in Fredericton that were built that way. In theory is should be faster since you can do the foundation work while the modules are being built in a factory.

[darkharbour]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

Residential exploding on that street - 6 homes just built - all sold. More foundations in at bottom and groundwork for at least 6 more at the top from what I can tell.

It's nice seeing that street finally filling out, it was a half-developed wasteland for many years since it was first put in. Great location by Rockwood Park and major employers like the regional hospital and university.

[JakeNB]

Originally Posted by OliverD

It's definitely a thing. There are several smaller apartment buildings in Fredericton that were built that way. In theory is should be faster since you can do the foundation work while the modules are being built in a factory.

Iron Maple has been a leader in this. See. https://www.unb.ca/ocrc/_assets/docu...n-maple-pp.pdf

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by JakeNB

Iron Maple has been a leader in this. See. https://www.unb.ca/ocrc/_assets/docu...n-maple-pp.pdf

With all the push for "we need housing RIGHT NOW" it seems strange someone hasn't run with this.

Buildings seem to go up very slowly around here.

[DyAm00394]

Developer Michael Wowchuk did an interview with CBC Information Morning talking about 1 Bayard Drive. Targeted to be completed December 2024.

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio...eniors-housing


In it he also mentions his other project, the old general hospital site at Agar Place. For the old general hospital site he says he wants to put 2 buildings there. The first building will definietly be 6-stories, possibly taller, but likely to be 6-storeys. He says his ultimate vision is to go taller but then he mentions factors limiting his vision like resources, materials, labor, the will/drive to, etc if he builds over 6-stories. For the 2nd building he said "once you add in some housing, add some gardens, beautify the area, then could we build taller?".

So we will have to wait and see basically if he could build taller or not.

Overall, a bit disappointing to hear that the possible 12-storey might not happen

[DyAm00394]

Couple interesting items from this month's growth committee meeting next week.

Growth At A Glance Update:






North End Neighborhood Plan

The city is also developing a North End Plan. Part of it is a creating a boundry map that includes residential areas such as Crescent Valley, the Old North End and Douglas Avenue, commercial areas like Lansdowne Plaza, and some larger vacant areas with development potential, such the land north of Highland Road.

This boundary would also encompass two new large scale institutional developments: the North End School and the New Brunswick Museum.

"The North End Neighbourhood Plan is the next Secondary Plan to be created for a sub-area of the City. The Central Peninsula Secondary Plan, which was adopted in 2019 and has now passed the five-year implementation stage, was the first secondary plan to be created under the Municipal Plan that was adopted in 2011. At Council’s direction, staff has now moved focus to the North End of the City.

The proposed plan boundary was chosen based on a variety of factors. The goal was to make a plan that was large enough to encompass a variety of sub
neighbourhoods, contain vacant and/or underutilized land for future
development and infill, work with census boundaries, and contain areas that
would otherwise be orphaned as they would not naturally fit in any other plans. For example, Douglas Avenue would not naturally fit within a potential West Side Plan, and if not included in the North End Plan it would be left as an area not included within a Secondary Plan.

A careful balance had to be found to ensure that the Plan Area was large enough to feature a number of interconnected communities and commercial areas, but not so large that each sub-neighbourhood cannot be given the focus it needs to create successful policy. This is why the Plan Boundary does not incorporate the Millidgeville area nor does it incorporate anything further east such as Rockwood Park.

Link to Presentation: https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeeting...cumentId=17467

[DyAm00394]

A couple projects have a public hearing date scheduled for June 10th.

• 435 Woodward Avenue = To facilitate the development of two 10-unit affordable housing buildings.
  
• 50 Heather Way = To facilitate a townhouse and multi-unit residential development containing approximately 180 dwelling units.

Link to Document:https://pub-saintjohn.escribemeeting...bY3eUHKr88kUJS

[thefishingnut]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Questions on timing for people who know about multi unit construction. What's a normal timeframe on the average 4 story apartment building from breaking ground to having tenants moving in? 24 months?

What about a "manufactured" version of these building that come in modules that are hoisted into position and assembled onsite? Is that a thing? Is it much faster? Costs more or less?

That last question was prompted by thinking about being taken to Expo 67 as a young kid and remembering all the buzz about Habitat and how cool and modern it looked.

https://www.habitat67.com/en/

The building going up at the bottom of Clark Road in Rothesay looks like it is going up this way. A bunch of panels were dropped off this week, and a crane installed Friday.

[cdnguys]

The former TJ building has an AIM dumpster outside entrance and workers in and out with debris.

[sailor734]

Originally Posted by cdnguys

The former TJ building has an AIM dumpster outside entrance and workers in and out with debris.

Interesting. Is it what's going in there known?

[cdnguys]

Originally Posted by sailor734

Interesting. Is it what's going in there known?

I only heard rumours, so I’m waiting until something appears for rezoning to indicate it would be housing. If no rezone, prob something commercial.

[sailor734]

Might be a challenging conversion to housing from the look of it's dimensions. (seems like there's a lot of interior space)

I wonder how deep the average apartment is from the exterior wall to the wall bordering the public corridor/hallway?

[sailor734]

It's funny but I was just thinking things seemed fairly quiet in terms of the new developments about to start this spring.

[DyAm00394]

Someone over on Retail Talk & Share NB group has commented that CAM Institute of Design bought the building. They are currently located at 604 Rothesay Ave.

[sailor734]

A private college.....that makes sense looking at the TJ building.