Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

An Announcement of a subcontractor to EWC - two links of the same news release :

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...sig-1028780295

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...842020384.html

Bird Construction Inc. Announces The Execution Of A Subcontract For The Construction Of Stations And A Light Rail Maintenance Facility With The Consortium Contracted To The City Of Ottawa To Design, Build And Finance The Confederation Line Extension Light Rail Transit Project In Ottawa, Ontario

Dec. 20, 2019, 05:00 PM

MISSISSAUGA, ON, Dec. 20, 2019 /CNW/ - Bird Construction Inc. (Bird) announced today that it has executed a subcontract with East-West Connectors, the consortium contracted by the City of Ottawa to design, build and finance the Stage 2 Confederation Line Extension project in Ottawa, Ontario. Bird will construct seven of the sixteen Confederation Line Stage 2 light rail transit stations and one light maintenance and storage facility.

The Stage 2 Confederation Line East and West Extensions represent a significant advancement of commuter travel in the Greater Ottawa Area and is being funded by all three levels of government. Substantial Completion of the East Extension is expected in 2024 with the West Extension to achieve Substantial Completion in 2025.

"Bird will celebrate its 100th year as a Canadian company in 2020 and is proud to be part of a marquis project in our Nation's Capital. As part of our ongoing diversification strategy, Bird has developed expertise in the construction of the vertical elements of rail transit systems and this project leverages our core competencies in this market", said Mr. Terrance McKibbon, President and CEO of Bird.

This press release contains forward-looking information (as defined in applicable Canadian securities legislation) that involves known and unknown risks, uncertainties and other factors which may cause actual results, performance or achievements to materially differ from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking information.

The Toronto Stock Exchange does not accept responsibility for the adequacy or accuracy of this release.

EnJoy!

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

An Announcement of a subcontractor to EWC - two links of the same news release :

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...sig-1028780295

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...842020384.html


EnJoy!

7 out of 16 stations -- I guess that would mean they're doing Lincoln Fields and beyond. Looking at Bird's portfolio is probably a clue as to how utilitarian these stations will be.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

City has posted the display boards from the Information sessions :

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ation-sessions

EnJoy!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day.

City has posted the display boards from the Information sessions :

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ation-sessions

EnJoy!

Thanks for posting! I think I'll start saving these to my hard drive from now on.

Nice to see some new renderings, including Algonquin's underground level. The platform width seems comparable to Blair, so that should be adequate for the volume (fewer transfers but more walk-ups). So far, Lincoln Fields seems to have kept its configuration (two centre platforms with). Hopefully, it stays that way.

It concerns me that they indicate "minimum 1 elevator per platform". We should continue to exceed the minimum standards and have 2 per platform where redundancy isn't already built-in (such as ramps at uOttawa, Cyrville and other). That was one thing Ottawa did better than anyone else.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Thanks for posting! I think I'll start saving these to my hard drive from now on.

Nice to see some new renderings, including Algonquin's underground level. The platform width seems comparable to Blair, so that should be adequate for the volume (fewer transfers but more walk-ups). So far, Lincoln Fields seems to have kept its configuration (two centre platforms with). Hopefully, it stays that way.

It concerns me that they indicate "minimum 1 elevator per platform". We should continue to exceed the minimum standards and have 2 per platform where redundancy isn't already built-in (such as ramps at uOttawa, Cyrville and other). That was one thing Ottawa did better than anyone else.

Good Day.

yep.... been saving my own copies for years.

re: the stations, two caution, that all renderings are <snort> conceptual / illustrative only <> and may not reflect reality even yet !!! (they seem to be going on at length about where we are yet early in the design/construction process !!!! , and that both LincolnFields and Algonquin have been rumoured to be altered from what we expect so far.... we shall yet see ?.

And yep, the elevators worry me too, in that as you note, some boards say minimum standards 1, and others (esp major stations) say naught about them at all. Phase 1 got it right with two minimum for redundancy, having learned from the transitway about ==X is out, go one stop furthur, cross over, and come back ==<snort>. But are we now falling back into that trap again ???? ; are we once more cheaping out !!! (World cl-ASS !!)

What Goes around, Comes around !

[SidetrackedSue]

Phase 1 got it right with two minimum for redundancy,

As long as we are snorting.... Blair's old elevator remains a huge issue. My daughter (car free, 2 kids, and an east-end resident so this is her transfer point almost daily) is through there with a double stroller. Stairs are not an option and yet she and differently abled people are constantly battling crowds of people who feel the number of stairs is too much for them as well. And that's if the elevator is actually working.

The redundancy of running a bus around the loop I guess works but it doesn't relieve the stress she feels every time she comes through the station.

Last winter she was caught multiple times at Westboro with broken elevators so now when she visits me, if she can't grab the 16, she walks the 20 minutes from Tunney's because she doesn't want the unpleasant surprise she got so often last year at my stop. (Yes, she can grab the next transitway bus to Dominion, cross and transit back but that adds at least 15 minutes to her trip to me - so she just walks.)

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

As long as we are snorting.... Blair's old elevator remains a huge issue. My daughter (car free, 2 kids, and an east-end resident so this is her transfer point almost daily) is through there with a double stroller. Stairs are not an option and yet she and differently abled people are constantly battling crowds of people who feel the number of stairs is too much for them as well. And that's if the elevator is actually working.

The redundancy of running a bus around the loop I guess works but it doesn't relieve the stress she feels every time she comes through the station.

Last winter she was caught multiple times at Westboro with broken elevators so now when she visits me, if she can't grab the 16, she walks the 20 minutes from Tunney's because she doesn't want the unpleasant surprise she got so often last year at my stop. (Yes, she can grab the next transitway bus to Dominion, cross and transit back but that adds at least 15 minutes to her trip to me - so she just walks.)

That is a serious issue. I believe it was last FEDCO meeting that they had mentioned the "historic" elevator at Blair was causing problems and it was on their list of "priorities". I don't think they mentioned what they would do about it, but I was under the impression they might replace it or build a second. Of course, that could take years.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That is a serious issue. I believe it was last FEDCO meeting that they had mentioned the "historic" elevator at Blair was causing problems and it was on their list of "priorities". I don't think they mentioned what they would do about it, but I was under the impression they might replace it or build a second. Of course, that could take years.

Not Good.

Yep... ALL those <old> elevators have been "problems" for many many years. ---- Too Many years. ----

MIGHT replace is the operative word.... as in - IF ever !!

It is going to take a massive complaint to OC-T, as in not putting up with it and making doo ever more.
The FEDCO comment about Blair was only due to the peak in complaints about it finally striking them dead in the face.

NoJoy!

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Not Good.

Yep... ALL those <old> elevators have been "problems" for many many years. ---- Too Many years. ----

MIGHT replace is the operative word.... as in - IF ever !!

It is going to take a massive complaint to OC-T, as in not putting up with it and making doo ever more.
The FEDCO comment about Blair was only due to the peak in complaints about it finally striking them dead in the face.

NoJoy!

As with most of our infrastructure, Blair was designed to meet the needs of suburbanites transferring from bus to rail. The City didn't consider the thousands who live and/or work in the area. We can hope that might change with Stage 2, but it doesn't seem like it. The fare-paid pedestrian bridge at Place d'Orléans Station in contrast to the lack of pedestrian bridge to the north side of Trim Station is an excellent example of this.

[Catenary]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That is a serious issue. I believe it was last FEDCO meeting that they had mentioned the "historic" elevator at Blair was causing problems and it was on their list of "priorities". I don't think they mentioned what they would do about it, but I was under the impression they might replace it or build a second. Of course, that could take years.

One of the meetings had a line about staff identifying funds to replace the elevator.

[J.OT13]

I'm very curious to see how they handle Algonquin Station. The tunnel it seems was built wide enough for the rail right-of-way in the middle (centre platform) with two smaller tunnels on each side for bus operations. It seems they've opted not to use those two tunnels for buses, likely a cost-cutting measure. Based on the latest GeoOttawa maps, they don't seem to plan on using them to store trains either (with storage tracks north of the platform instead).

A few references of what had been envisioned initially when the tunnel was being planned and eventually built.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=159739
https://www.behance.net/gallery/2485...seline-Station
https://www.algonquincollege.com/col...-travel-at-ac/
https://www.westsideaction.ca/wlrt-p...rest-bayshore/

http://maps.ottawa.ca/geoOttawa/

[eltodesukane]

About Bayshore Station,
copied from the West Side Action link (possibly outdated?)
https://www.westsideaction.ca/wlrt-p...rest-bayshore/

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

About Bayshore Station,
copied from the West Side Action link (possibly outdated?)
https://www.westsideaction.ca/wlrt-p...rest-bayshore/

At this time, this is still the case.



https://www.otrainfans.ca/confederat.../west/bayshore

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by eltodesukane

About Bayshore Station,
copied from the West Side Action link (possibly outdated?)
https://www.westsideaction.ca/wlrt-p...rest-bayshore/

That map is from before they decided to extend to Moodie. Many changes have been made since then.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day. It's baaaack !

Somebody at City is listening.

The background and preceeding reference materials from the old www.stage2lrt.ca website
have been restored into the new City stage 2 website, under "Planning and Consultation Background" :

https://ottawa.ca/en/planning-develo...ion-background

To whomever - Thank You indeed. It is appreciated.

EnJoy!

[Harley613]

I was working at the Sony Store which was directly adjacent to the Transitway entrance in Bayshore when it was built circa 2000. We were all sure that it was a temporary entrance because it was so ridiculous! Fast forward 20 years later and they still aren't improving it.... ridiculous.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I was working at the Sony Store which was directly adjacent to the Transitway entrance in Bayshore when it was built circa 2000. We were all sure that it was a temporary entrance because it was so ridiculous! Fast forward 20 years later and they still aren't improving it.... ridiculous.

Good Day.

Indeed. In following the discussions surrounding Bayshore, both BRT and esp subsequently LRT, the between-the-lines from City was that if Bayshore wanted a better quality connection, then they would have to / pay for / build / it. This was esp apparent in the discussions about conversion to LRT, at the time of it being the next-interim terminus, and kinda faded into the background and vanished as LRT was extended to Moodie with all its' various 'opinions' of place and design.

Final cut: what it is, is what we get.

[SidetrackedSue]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Good Day. It's baaaack !

Somebody at City is listening.

To whomever - Thank You indeed. It is appreciated.

EnJoy!

Sooner than I expected. I asked for something explaining a decision that was made years ago (I'm late to having skin in this game.) I just wanted to understand what had been considered and why my 'reasonable to me' solution to an upcoming problem had already been rejected.

The staffer was surprised he couldn't point me to the presentation online. I pointed to the discussion here about missing files. The explanation he was given re: the missing files was that the City was upgrading to a new system and the older files were being migrated over. I was waiting until mid-Jan to go look. Thanks for letting me know it was back sooner.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

Sooner than I expected. I asked for something explaining a decision that was made years ago (I'm late to having skin in this game.) I just wanted to understand what had been considered and why my 'reasonable to me' solution to an upcoming problem had already been rejected.

The staffer was surprised he couldn't point me to the presentation online. I pointed to the discussion here about missing files. The explanation he was given re: the missing files was that the City was upgrading to a new system and the older files were being migrated over. I was waiting until mid-Jan to go look. Thanks for letting me know it was back sooner.

Good Day.

If we might ask what your question was / is ? we might be able to help.
This forum is good at expanding on what City considers 'reasonable'.
We are also good at considering that there are (mostly) no unreasonable questions.

Hope you have been EnJoying !

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by PHrenetic

Indeed. In following the discussions surrounding Bayshore, both BRT and esp subsequently LRT, the between-the-lines from City was that if Bayshore wanted a better quality connection, then they would have to / pay for / build / it. This was esp apparent in the discussions about conversion to LRT, at the time of it being the next-interim terminus, and kinda faded into the background and vanished as LRT was extended to Moodie with all its' various 'opinions' of place and design.

Not sure about the BRT station, but, as I said in post #1257 and #1336 is that in the Stage 2 LRT Presentation on March 1, 2017 (at 21:04) it was recommended that Bayshore station be shifted 75m to the east to "allow for improved access to the station as well as a direct future connection for passengers to access this shopping centre." The cost for the change would be negligible and the mall owners would responsible to build and pay for the mall connection (if they choose to do so).

If you look at the plans for the shifted station, the platform location looks similar to the overhead rendering shared by J.OT13, so I would say the modified design is being used. The rendering doesn't show the second overhead walkway, but that would be up to Bayshore to construct. That could be done during construction, or at a later date.


Stage 2 Light Rail Transit Implementation Report - Stage 2 LRT (pg. 36)

Originally Posted by J.OT13

https://www.otrainfans.ca/confederat.../west/bayshore