Winnipeg Construction X

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

If u include portage place that's 4 more towers purposed for the core

Not bad

We need a super tall tho hopefully this decade last decade was huge for our downtown from 2009 - 2019 lot of new developments downtown

Supertalls are great but we havent even broken the 150m mark. That would go first I would think.

Anyways, I think that density needs to precede high rise development. That way building higher is just a necessity and should be economically viable

[Luisito]

I agree. I think many of us would like to see a super tall someday but filling some of the gaps is more important right now. There is so much room for development downtown. Some more 100 -150m building would be nice.

I know this might not be a popular thing to say but I would really like to see some gentrification in some areas just north and west of downtown. Those areas are in really good spot and should be in better shape. Specially around the u of w. As long as those areas remain as they are we wont see much improvment downtown. Also that area between the health sciences centre and the exchange district along McDermot and William has so much potential. It's a shame it is such a mess. So many beautiful old homes turned into boarding houses and low rent apartemnts.

[GreyGarden]

Its an unpopular opinion but I kind of agree. I would love to see some real gentrification in the West End (or at least have it be a problem that needed serious consideration - I know it sounds weird to wish that we had a problem). The area north of portage, south of Sargent or Wellington, and east of Wall has a nice grid layout with good access to streets leading into downtown like portage and Ellice. Its walkable, good for transit, it should be way more expensive than it is. I'd love to live on one of the residential streets in the West End and then be able to walk up north to Ellice to go for dinner or coffee. I wouldn't want to lose the diverse restaurants on Ellice that exist right now, but having some trendy restaurants and bars and shops would be a nice addition. Then being able to walk down to Portage in the winter and catch a bus downtown for work, and walk in the summer. It would be great.

[Jeff]

i think right now the best bet would be to focus on the continued success of Sherbrook and the area south of portage and east to downtown. there seems to be a good cluster of recently-completed projects and stuff being built right now in this area that it could foster substantial gentrification. as has been stated, as long as the areas around downtown continue to be so impoversished and crime-ridden, most attempts at downtown renewal are pretty capped at the knees. having the second-most poverty stricken postal code in canada (centennial) straddling downtown does come with its drawbacks.

[esquire]

^ Yeah, I don't think anyone needs to apologize for saying that they'd prefer if the northern and western boundaries of downtown weren't necessarily filled with alarming poverty and crime rates. I don't think downtown will ever fully turn the corner until that problem is solved. Ultimately we need more prosperity to improve the circumstances of people living in those areas... They have to be part of the answer.

[trueviking]

6 - 8 storey buildings > 1 - 48 storey building

[pegcityboy]

How bout 1 500 ft tower then 6 , 8 story density fillers ? Lol 😂

[lilwayne]

Any truth to rumors that jets will build a new arena possibly where shaw park is in about 5 - 10 years.. i think its an inevitability that jets will have to build a new bigger arena at some point of their time here.. where would be the most likely and desirable locations

The current mts center will prolly be developed into condos apartments i assume im talking 10 years down the road

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

Any truth to rumors that jets will build a new arena possibly where shaw park is in about 5 - 10 years.. i think its an inevitability that jets will have to build a new bigger arena at some point of their time here.. where would be the most likely and desirable locations

The current mts center will prolly be developed into condos apartments i assume im talking 10 years down the road

We could try bulldozing & buying out a vast swathe of the North End. That or maybe a new arena next to IKEA/Seasons? I can't think of any closer locations to downtown Winnipeg, and considering the current state of the North End... a buyout and demolition of problem blocks & properties would not only help the North End, but help to reinvest BILLIONS into the area, scatter crime to the winds & dare invest condos, businesses and hotels into the area too... it would be a massive win. Then, reallocate the current MTS Centre into what the Portage Place NIMBY's described... as needing their own "community space". MTS Center as a community space already exists. Just throw a massive pre-fabricated high rise or two on it, and give the North End displacements housing inside of it, along with some of the homeless as well.

Win-win-win: revitalized and modernized crime-free North End, MTS Centre becomes indigenous community centre or whatever, and tons of new MB Housing/affordable housing as well. Plus WPS right next door too, so good luck trying to convert it into a flophouse... not only that too, send the seniors into the 55+ housing popping up all over Winnipeg too, thus only the displacements under 55 would need housing, which could easily be covered by a few massive high-rise residential units. And if anyone got the hint at City Hall: ban parking to new arena & force EVERYONE to take Transit. That way, they'd only need to just take over the North End by a couple dozen blocks. Saves space, forces everyone onto Winnipeg Transit, no drunk driving, no WPS headaches with reallocated resources, it really is a win-win. And its not 'racist' either, because they would all be given WAY better housing & potentially even financial assets, if they just hand them free condos and "rent to own" programs too, at discounted rates. Employ displaced people at new Arena too, along with new community centre & such. Everybody would win. If only the powers that be, would get their heads out of their asses...

Lets see Pallister & the Winnipeg elites EVER come up with something this bold & fresh.

[GlassCity]

There is nothing bold or fresh about 1970s-style urban renewal.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

Any truth to rumors that jets will build a new arena possibly where shaw park is in about 5 - 10 years.. i think its an inevitability that jets will have to build a new bigger arena at some point of their time here.. where would be the most likely and desirable locations

The current mts center will prolly be developed into condos apartments i assume im talking 10 years down the road

It's hard to imagine that kind of scenario... I'm not sure that the annual bump in revenues from a bigger new arena would justify the massive cost of a new building. Even if you tried to build it in the most frugal way possible, it would probably still be 300, 400 million dollars.

That doesn't even get into the issue that the Jets probably couldn't sell a whole lot more tickets over and above what they currently manage to move.

[ywgwalk]

If the ball diamond was ever re-purposed the best thing for the east exchange and the forks would be for that to become smaller mixed development (and for Provencher/Pioneer to become less expressway-like).

I've long felt that the NRC buildings on Ellice are the best place for a "new" MTS Centre.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by ywgwalk

If the ball diamond was ever re-purposed the best thing for the east exchange and the forks would be for that to become smaller mixed development (and for Provencher/Pioneer to become less expressway-like).

I've long felt that the NRC buildings on Ellice are the best place for a "new" MTS Centre.

the ball parks in the best spot it could be in our city

[lilwayne]

I imagine our population would push close to a million in 10 years and based on that the demand should increase accordingly. u add more seats u generate more revenue i think a 15000 seat arena wont fly forever.. the team will have a hard time competing with other markets if their barely making a profit.. the nhl is revenue sharing but im sure nhl will put pressure on them like they do with most franchises to upgrade or add more seats to increase revenue or improve fan experience

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

I imagine our population would push close to a million in 10 years and based on that the demand should increase accordingly. u add more seats u generate more revenue i think a 15000 seat arena wont fly forever.. the team will have a hard time competing with other markets if their barely making a profit.. the nhl is revenue sharing but im sure nhl will put pressure on them like they do with most franchises to upgrade or add more seats to increase revenue or improve fan experience

Maybe they could expand it, but make it more affordable, so normal people without hoardes of money, could actually go out and see a game in person? If they could make a 25,000 seat arena, and charge the new 10,000 seats at just $50, thats still $500,000/game in extra revenue. Throw in their extremely bloated NHL price mandates for beer, food and 'official' merch...

Plus it would be an incentive to get people to go out & spend their money, as well. "Bread and circus to the masses" would work well in Winnipeg & maybe help keep the lid on Winnipeg's current situation, if it became a reality. It would also leave NO more excuses, for bands to keep skipping Winnipeg for Grand Forks, Regina and others... I love the idea of a larger arena. I wonder if the issue can be forced, somehow. Chipman, like all good capitalists, might just go for it when he's done with TNS. Theres hope!

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by GlassCity

There is nothing bold or fresh about 1970s-style urban renewal.

It can be fresh, bold and humane, but only if its done right. Done exactly to the letter, no deviations, no cheapskating it either. It could succeed, but it HAS to be done right.

Plus if the CPR yards ever disappear, inevitably massive investment and development will come. But if theres already a new arena, a thousand new condos and storefronts in the North End... then the pressures on CPR to relocate would be much greater, and higher pressures too on the City and Province, to monetize this land as well. Rotting building stock and all as well... I'd imagine replacing some of those 1900s housing with 2020s builds, would be a massive upgrading to housing stocks and life qualities. It wouldn't be some shoddy 1970s buildout with strip malls and prefab cinderblock apartments haha, this would be a massive rethink and rebuild, that could throw Winnipeg ahead of the curve.

I could also imagine that a certain SSP forumer on here, would LOVE to be the person whose plans for this area would be first & foremost under consideration. Maybe there will be a Viking museum in the mix?

[Spocket]

Seems a little early to talking about building a new arena. Hell, even in 5 or 10 years, we're way ahead of the usual lifespan. Think of the Saddledome. It's in a city that's been booming for decades, full of high paying, white collar jobs with a successful team that it's not really in danger of losing. With all of that, it still took them 40 years to seriously consider building a new arena. I wouldn't bet a dime that it'll happen in Winnipeg any time soon.

[wags_in_the_peg]

wow, -40 weather sure makes peoples brains freeze up and say stupid things. there will be no new arena for 20 yrs, guaranteed.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

Any truth to rumors that jets will build a new arena possibly where shaw park is in about 5 - 10 years.. i think its an inevitability that jets will have to build a new bigger arena at some point of their time here.. where would be the most likely and desirable locations

Depending on the timing for when the new arena happens I think the Portage and Memorial Bay building is a prime location. If needed they could also push one block east. The location would address the biggest challenge this generation is facing with downtown Winnipeg, repurposing the Bay building and it would also be close enough to leverage all the work that has gone into the SHED. The question is will the timing of the Bay redevelopment push far enough into the future to overlap with the need to develop a replacement arena.

Now is definitely not the right time for the Jets and they are in a full on skid down market. Earlier this week tickets for some upcoming games were features as a Groupon deal. Nine years ago TNSE thought demand would be at 2011 for generations to come.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Now is definitely not the right time for the Jets and they are in a full on skid down market. Earlier this week tickets for some upcoming games were features as a Groupon deal. Nine years ago TNSE thought demand would be at 2011 for generations to come.

I'm certain TNSE knew that the honeymoon would end eventually and planned accordingly. There's no way it wouldn't have. That said, demand has softened more than I'd have expected considering that the Jets are a pretty good team - people were paying a fortune to watch the Jets when they were a punching bag but it feels like there's less interest in buying tickets now even though they're still a playoff team.

Bottom line, it in no way feels as though the Jets have outgrown Bell MTS Place.