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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 2:46 AM
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I just hope the 10th St site includes multiple high rises and a new alleyway. These super blocks are a nuisance to get around.

As for the old bookstore site, let's hope the building isn't demolished and turned into a gas station. We should want developments that encourage growth nearby, not push it away.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 4:33 AM
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I just hope the 10th St site includes multiple high rises and a new alleyway. These super blocks are a nuisance to get around.

As for the old bookstore site, let's hope the building isn't demolished and turned into a gas station. We should want developments that encourage growth nearby, not push it away.
The Engineer's Bookstore seems like a perfect convenience store or some other small retail. I'm not sure why he couldn't put his Kwik E Mart in the building and place the gas pumps beside or behind it.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 4:41 AM
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Ain't nothing livable or walkable goin on on that block. IMO the center of midtown just shifted north away from 10th street. Ain't no big tenant coming, and one block does not a Michigan Avenue make. Freakin block is a hell-hole.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 5:05 AM
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I know it'll never happen, but I've always wondered if that area on the westside of campus on Howell Mill, i.e. where the Engineer's bookstore is amongst other low rise stuff should inevitably be some of the frat houses for GT if they capped the connector. Then, they could expand Tech Square into campus where many of the frat houses are now and line the capped connector with high rise buildings on both sides of the park.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 5:10 AM
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Two comments come to mind:

1. We're not talking National Register eligibility for the Engineer's Bookstore. We're talking about saving a structure that retains the historic nature of the neighborhood. Buildings are saved under that premise all the time.
2. Re: 10th and Peachtree, there's a saying in economics: "In the long run, we're all dead."
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
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Ain't nothing livable or walkable goin on on that block. IMO the center of midtown just shifted north away from 10th street. Ain't no big tenant coming, and one block does not a Michigan Avenue make. Freakin block is a hell-hole.
Well with new and appropriate development, it very well could be "livable [and] walkable". If you're referring to 14th street being the new center of Midtown, that is only 3 blocks away from this site. A commercial development here would have tons of potential. interstate access, walkable to MARTA, Piedmont Park, Publix...

"Ain't no big tenant coming."
I could just settle with saying: you don't know that - because you don't. But I'll also add that tenants are relocating to Atlanta from across the world/nation and to midtown from other submarkets in the city/metro area. He can also target tenants from other midtown highrises.

I agree with your Michigan avenue statement.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
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BlueSangha I bet you have $1+ Billion in Bitcoins in your wallet. How about you put your money, where your mouth is. Build something real purity there!!!!

Until then.....STFU.
Up your's, I'm entitled to my say w/o you being an ass about it.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 11:33 AM
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Unless I'm mistaken there is at least one restaurant along 10th Street on that block and a row of historic store fronts. Hell hole?
I stand by my statement.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 11:38 AM
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Well with new and appropriate development, it very well could be "livable [and] walkable". If you're referring to 14th street being the new center of Midtown, that is only 3 blocks away from this site. A commercial development here would have tons of potential. interstate access, walkable to MARTA, Piedmont Park, Publix...

"Ain't no big tenant coming."
I could just settle with saying: you don't know that - because you don't. But I'll also add that tenants are relocating to Atlanta from across the world/nation and to midtown from other submarkets in the city/metro area. He can also target tenants from other midtown highrises.

I agree with your Michigan avenue statement.
I dont disagree with what you say, but I don't think the Atlanta market is that strong. At any rate, while the rest of midtown moves ahead, the block just languishes. It will be a very long time before anything happens there.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 12:21 PM
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I just hope the 10th St site includes multiple high rises and a new alleyway. These super blocks are a nuisance to get around.

As for the old bookstore site, let's hope the building isn't demolished and turned into a gas station. We should want developments that encourage growth nearby, not push it away.
How is the 10th and Peachtree block a "super block"? It's roughly 400x400ft, which I would say is slightly above the average for downtown blocks in the US, but certainly well within the norm. For reference, Manhattan blocks are roughly 275x900ft, over 50% larger.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:11 PM
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Hartsfield-Jackson To Get Portman-Designed Welcome Plaza

     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:12 PM
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How is the 10th and Peachtree block a "super block"? It's roughly 400x400ft, which I would say is slightly above the average for downtown blocks in the US, but certainly well within the norm. For reference, Manhattan blocks are roughly 275x900ft, over 50% larger.
You're right that 400x400 isn't massive (particularly compared to the blocks just to the east of the site), but they're still cumbersome and frequent in Atlanta. Loads of 400x400 with little street level activation, is tiresome. other than along 10th St, the amount of shops along the streets between Piedmont Park is few until you reach Peachtree and I'd prefer to try and activate the side streets, as well as potentially new alleyways.

As for the Manhattan comparison, that's far more street level activation than Atlanta could ever imagine in arguably the busiest city in the world. On their 900' blocks they frequently contain breezeways/alleys. Times Square even has Broadway cutting through. The Upper East Side and Madison Ave is a great example of providing smaller blocks to activate the street. Admittedly, I absolutely prefer the ~260x400' blocks instead of the 900' blocks.

Unfortunately in Atlanta, we often combat dead space thanks to the parking garages, not having ground floor retail, curb-cuts, surface parking, etc. So hopefully when 10th st is developed, it's in a matter that encourages activity along all of its adjacent streets, not just on Peachtree.
     
     
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I do not understand how the space would work, anyone mind enlightening me? You can access the plane train, but you still haven't checked your luggage or gone through TSA? I'm at a loss, unless it's only for arriving passengers. Then I guess it doesn't hurt putting people closer to MARTA.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:37 PM
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Does anyone else find the ice cream-eating youths in the bottom right corner amusing/out of place?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:47 PM
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Does anyone else find the ice cream-eating youths in the bottom right corner amusing/out of place?
Yes, and they're hardly young people. I know it seems a constant critique lately, but the rendering is awfully white.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:49 PM
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Why is inserrection still in business in such a prime area near 10th and West Peachtee? It always look empty. Can a tower fit in that space!
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:52 PM
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This plaza looks nice. But I am interested in how they are going to connect the new office space they have been talking about (shown in the top left below). Are you only going to be able to get there by car? If so, it seems like that defeats the whole point of locating it so close to the airport.

     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 3:53 PM
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For all Those Who Knock John Dewberry - I would Suggest You Read This


This guy is on our team! He could have easily sold out a long time ago for a considerable profit or thrown up some crappy Novare(sque) condos/apartments and appeased many. Instead Dewberry is extremely thoughtful and deliberate to see his vision (our vision) for the 10th Street and Peachtree site be developed the right way. It's time the people on here and the other "armchair quarterbacks" in the city give this man the respect he deserves.

I would suggest you read the rather long John Dewberry profile in the AJC from a couple of years ago - or - at minimum read the quote below from the article.

http://personaljourneys.myajc.com/the-long-pass/
That's could you imagine another Novare type building. Just out of curiosity, why is he so dislike?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 4:03 PM
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I do not understand how the space would work, anyone mind enlightening me? You can access the plane train, but you still haven't checked your luggage or gone through TSA? I'm at a loss, unless it's only for arriving passengers. Then I guess it doesn't hurt putting people closer to MARTA.
This would cover the location where taxis pick up passengers now. It is located beyond baggage claim, and I believe it is intended to complement the previously-announced canopies above the outdoor drop-off arrivals areas.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2016, 4:15 PM
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JLB Partners Project on Ralph McGill

Not that either design is too thrilling but here's
JLB Partners' project in Old 4th Ward already under construction



http://www.jlbpartners.com/portfolio/show/40-Old-4th-Ward

Inland Atlantic's previous proposal



http://atlanta.curbed.com/2014/8/20/1005...the-old-fourth-ward-could-look-like-this
     
     
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