Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[Gat-Train]

Originally Posted by RationalPhi

Agreed that there was nothing new at the information sessions that hasn't already been available online for weeks. They were pretty clear that things are still in the design phase and they won't have more details until spring. Though y'all missed this stunning clipart masterpiece. Look at that cute little digger! And the train...peaking out from the...wall? They also had papercraft Citadis Spirit swag.

Why are they building the concrete structure in-situ? Couldn't they just put in a precast structure that's made while they excavate, then bring it in on an oversize truck?

[RationalPhi]

Originally Posted by Richard Eade

I'm a bit confused by the road re-alignment in Harley613's picture: I was under the impression that they were building a new west-bound lane closer to the river and the east-bound traffic would move to the existing west-bound lanes. This would move the traffic away from the construction zone.

There was a series of (blurry and poorly legended) images showing the SJAM realignment at the info session that I neglected to photograph and can’t find elsewhere. My main takeaway was that the road will only go over the LRT for a small wiggle and otherwise the LRT is south of the road. Moving the westbound lanes closer to current Dominion is part of the final alignment and doesn’t interfere with cut and cover. As well, they are rebuilding new eastbound lanes. Slides 43 and 44 of the Fedco presentation .pdf show some of that.

[SidetrackedSue]

I have printouts of the blurry and poor legend images and they are no help. The meeting where I received them was focused on other issues, so I didn't get a chance to ask about SJAM, and am only guessing here.

There are green lines that indicate something not included in the legend. As they are not in the final lane alignment image, I'm assuming they are one of the stages of temporary work.

The green line indicates something in the area in between the two lanes in Harley's photo. Which, according to the blurry image, will move them out of the way for the cut and cover dig. They appear in the "Moves EB lanes to allow for cut and cover" image and again in the next image of the parts of the project before the final realignment image.

[PHrenetic]

Good Day.

I have not seen the presentation boards; I have been waiting for them to be posted, if they ever are, since they are apparently interim displays. But.....

The original EA-TPAP alignment pdf showed the east-bound lanes of the SJAM being directly over the straight LRT cut-and-cover tunnel from Cleary to just before the emergence for Dominion. The westbound lanes were to be beside, just to the north side. But that was back in June 2016. It was inevitable that this would change with both the re-positioning of Cleary station to Sherbourne, and that the road would be far too straight for a parkway. In this much, I agree with NCC - some curvy is better. And obviously this is the direction the configuration is moving in, with the rough alignment display panel as per RationalPhi's reference in the FEDCO Q4 Stage 2 update pdf. And I agree with his analysis of the eastern end - that does very much look like the final alignment of that piece, and will serve the interim alignment as well - cheaper all around.

The current construction of the interim alignment of east and west SJAM is still only half complete (most of the westbound); there is more to come to build, and relocate, the eastbound before they begin cutting the trench.

FWIW.

[J.OT13]

The City has a serious problem with not posting public consultation display boards. If you don't show up to the live consultation, you have no right to see the boards.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Harley613

SJAM realignments today:

Water looks a little cold.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by SidetrackedSue

I have printouts of the blurry and poor legend images

A lot of City consultation materials lately have maps with either poor legends, or none at all. Seems to be a systemic problem.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The City has a serious problem with not posting public consultation display boards. If you don't show up to the live consultation, you have no right to see the boards.

Oh, you can see them, just weeks after the event, sometimes even after the deadline to submit e-comments, but only for as long as the webmistress decides that they will continue to live online before being bit-bucketed.

Whenever the city posts documentation on a project you're following, save a copy to your local drive or cloud account. There is no guarantee that the historical record will survive, and if its continued existence becomes politically awkward, it will vanish without a trace.

[PHrenetic]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Oh, you can see them, just weeks after the event, sometimes even after the deadline to submit e-comments, but only for as long as the webmistress decides that they will continue to live online before being bit-bucketed.

Whenever the city posts documentation on a project you're following, save a copy to your local drive or cloud account. There is no guarantee that the historical record will survive, and if its continued existence becomes politically awkward, it will vanish without a trace.

Good Day.

Yep. I've been downloading for years, ever since half way through the Chiarrelli plan. Although it sometimes gets difficult to find what i've called it !

As noted previous, the old Stage 2 website, with ALL it's materials, has vanished.

NoJoy!

[Harley613]

I am thinking I should post a series of aerials of the entire route of stage 2, it would be neat to do every few months. Would you guys like that?

[RationalPhi]

Yes. Everyone loves that.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I am thinking I should post a series of aerials of the entire route of stage 2, it would be neat to do every few months. Would you guys like that?

That would be great!

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by Harley613

I am thinking I should post a series of aerials of the entire route of stage 2, it would be neat to do every few months. Would you guys like that?

That would be epic! I guess you would have to stop a certain distance from the airport for Trillium updates?

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

That would be epic! I guess you would have to stop a certain distance from the airport for Trillium updates?

With my Mavic Mini which is classified as a toy I don't have any minimum distance from the airport by law HOWEVER there is no way I'd fly it anywhere adjacent to an airport because a although it is small enough not to present danger to an aircraft I wouldn't want to be the first to prove otherwise, nor would I ever want to spook a pilot b the hassle of dealing with public or law enforcement that don't understand drone laws and device classification.

That being said, I can responsibly fly my Mini a LOT closer to the airport than I can with my Mavic Air, which is classified as a 'Remotely Piloted Aircraft System' and can't get within 5.6km of any airport or 1.9km of any heliport.

[Dengler Avenue]

They sound like some seriously nice toys. Did they cost you a lot of fortune?

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

They sound like some seriously nice toys. Did they cost you a lot of fortune?

No they are very reasonably priced. The Mavic Mini (a foam and plastic toy that has drone features) is only $460 base price and the Mavic Air (a true drone) is $1080 base price. You will definitely want the 'fly more' package with either device with two extra batteries, charger, a case, and other extras for a little more than $100 for either device.

[Charles5]

Originally Posted by Richard Eade

I'm a bit confused by the road re-alignment in Harley613's picture: I was under the impression that they were building a new west-bound lane closer to the river and the east-bound traffic would move to the existing west-bound lanes. This would move the traffic away from the construction zone.

Once the tunnel was finished, the four lanes of the roadway would be placed on top of the tunnel alignment, far from the river.

In the picture, it appears as if the west-bound lane has been moved to beside the existing east-bound lanes at the Transitway intersection, and, in fact, is further from the river for most of the new roadway section.

Does this mean that another new set of lanes needs to be build for the east-bound traffic?

What is happening is more a 'realignment' of the westbound lanes rather than building a whole new lane. Previously the roadway was quite curvy/wavy, with some portions close to the river and other portions further away. What they have done is straightened the westbound roadway using some of the old sections and joining them with some new sections, thus getting it closer to the river.

In the next steps they should move the eastbound lanes closer to the river as well, using a combination of new joining sections and some of the old sections of the westbound lanes.

After that, as you've mentioned, the trench is dug, LRT goes in, trench is covered over, and the roadways are moved back on top of the LRT trench.

Where the transitway joins the Parkway is a little more confusing, but this is still an intermediary step to my understanding. I believe this is so that they can work on the detour route from Workman Avenue onto the Parkway, after which everything will be shifted towards the river again during LRT construction, only to be shifted back after LRT is buried.

Edit: Perhaps this image might help visualize how things will progress. It shows more the final solution rather than all the intermediary steps, but might still help explain things.

[BenYOW]

Originally Posted by Harley613

HOWEVER there is no way I'd fly it anywhere adjacent to an airport because a) although it is small enough not to present danger to an aircraft I wouldn't want to be the first to prove otherwise, nor would I ever want to spook a pilot

Thanks for flying your drones responsibly! Even in general aviation aircraft, an impact would have me heading back to the airport ASAP as a precautionary measure to check for damage. When flying over the urban area where forced landing sites aren't commonplace, losing an engine would make for a bad day.

[Richard Eade]

Yes, the straighter alignment, above the LRT tunnel, was what I expected, but what I am now seeing as the alignment is



If they were worried about the speed along the straighter road, they could have reduced the lane width. There are no commercial vehicles and will be no buses along there, so very narrow lanes are appropriate. Also, there is Photo-Radar available now. Set the speed limit for 40 kph and ticket those doing more than 60 kph.

Also, there is a 30 metre buffer, to protect some of the mature trees between the tunnel and the homes, while the tunnel is being dug, but the roadway could still weave across the LRT into that buffer space (as it does in their depiction, above). The road didn't have to be die-straight, but it could have still been generally over the tunnel alignment.

If the above road alignment is accurate, then there is really no improvement for a shore-line park. Huge sections of area are on the wrong side of large curves.

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by Richard Eade

Yes, the straighter alignment, above the LRT tunnel, was what I expected, but what I am now seeing as the alignment is



If they were worried about the speed along the straighter road, they could have reduced the lane width. There are no commercial vehicles and will be no buses along there, so very narrow lanes are appropriate. Also, there is Photo-Radar available now. Set the speed limit for 40 kph and ticket those doing more than 60 kph.

Also, there is a 30 metre buffer, to protect some of the mature trees between the tunnel and the homes, while the tunnel is being dug, but the roadway could still weave across the LRT into that buffer space (as it does in their depiction, above). The road didn't have to be die-straight, but it could have still been generally over the tunnel alignment.

If the above road alignment is accurate, then there is really no improvement for a shore-line park. Huge sections of area are on the wrong side of large curves.

Isn't the new alignment temporary until the tunnel is done.