Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability - Page 96

WarrenC12 · #**1901** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

A Burnaby RCMP officer has been killed...He added, “there does not appear to be any ongoing risk to the public.”

I'm mad! and are you kidding me "no ongoing risk to the public"
A cop was stabbed to death and you're saying there is no risk to the public

I'M LOOSING IT !

Pretty sure they also killed the guy who did it.

Zepfancouver · #**1902** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 10:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Pretty sure they also killed the guy who did it.

Revenge is not giving any solace. This is more then just one schizophrenia nut job.
Sorry but I will be inconsolable for the next few days and I can't imagine what the family is going through.

Vin · #**1903** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 10:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Not Vancouver but terrible nonetheless:

Burnaby, B.C. RCMP officer fatally stabbed while assisting bylaw officers at homeless camp

DTES spill-over for sure. We can't contain this in Vancouver's rotten core and things are starting to spill outwards. The death of the Burnaby RCMP should be on the conscience of those that allow DTES and all the associated problems to exist in the first place. It has gotten out of hand.

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Pretty sure they also killed the guy who did it.

Does that make everything better?

Vin · #**1904** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 11:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

What do you mean, the City allows taggers to run amok? Surely it's the VPD who might be able to do something about it? The police budget wasn't cut. (It was proposed, but then reinstated. You should know better).

If the City does not have a good relationship with its police department, enact policies that do not favour police safety, and even threaten to cut the department's budget, naturally there would be less police presence on the streets. This lack of deterrence encourages more lawlessness on the streets. If VPD is at fault, then it is the City's duty to whip it into shape. You are right that the budget was reinstated, but for law and order to be properly enforced during the last couple of years, perhaps the police budget should've been increased, or better policies enforced? Obviously the City failed in what they did, and that's why the City is in a mess today.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1905** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 11:10 PM**

Burnaby's had violence for a quite a while now. Since the Olympics, there's been an ambulance or police van outside the Metrotown parking lot every other time I've gone.

Changing City · #**1906** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

If the City does not have a good relationship with its police department, enact policies that do not favour police safety, and even threaten to cut the department's budget, naturally there would be less police presence on the streets. This lack of deterrence encourages more lawlessness on the streets. If VPD is at fault, then it is the City's duty to whip it into shape. You are right that the budget was reinstated, but for law and order to be properly enforced during the last couple of years, perhaps the police budget should've been increased, or better policies enforced? Obviously the City failed in what they did, and that's why the City is in a mess today.

The budget for the police department has risen every year from $291m in 2017 to $341m in 2021, including in the last couple of years. The police get over 21% of the budget, the largest departmental expenditure in the budget. City Council doesn't directly control the police, that's the job of the Police Board. As we saw when the City were facing a significant drop in revenue because of covid, and tried to reduce the police budget by $5.7m, (as they did with other parts of the budget, to balance the books), they weren't allowed to do so. Stop blaming the City for things that the City can't directly control.

whatnext · #**1907** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 12:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Pretty sure they also killed the guy who did it.

I haven't read anywhere that they have.

Maybe now we'll stop seeing tent city dwellers portrayed as just poor folk with issues.

whatnext · #**1908** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 12:05 AM**

Back to Vancouver it's our ol' buddy Mohammed Majidpour up to his kooky hijinks!

Repeat Vancouver offender back in custody just hours after being released
By Amy Judd Global News
Posted October 18, 2022

A repeat Vancouver offender is now back in police custody after being arrested just hours after his release.

Mohammed Majidpour, 35, was released on Sunday. Two Vancouver police officers were patrolling in East Vancouver around 3 p.m. the same day, police said, when they spotted the man walking near Main and Hastings streets.

The officers were familiar with the man because they’d arrested him the day prior for a different offence, police said in a release.

They followed the man into the downtown core, where he entered a retail store, allegedly stole $330 worth of leggings, and was promptly re-arrested, police confirmed. At the time of his arrest, the suspect had been out of custody for two hours and 18 minutes.....

https://globalnews.ca/news/9207826/repea...tm_medium=Twitter&utm_source=%40globalbc

Changing City · #**1909** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 12:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

I haven't read anywhere that they have.

Maybe now we'll stop seeing tent city dwellers portrayed as just poor folk with issues.

CBC had the mayor of Burnaby saying it was a single tent, not an encampment. Social media was apparently wrong about the circumstances.

EastVanMark · #**1910** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 12:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

I haven't read anywhere that they have.

Maybe now we'll stop seeing tent city dwellers portrayed as just poor folk with issues.

They said on the news they did not kill him

jollyburger · #**1911** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 3:55 AM**

Repeat customer

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A repeat offender is back in the Vancouver Police Department’s custody after he was released just over two hours prior.

In a statement released Tuesday, the VPD says 35-year-old Mohammed Majidpour was taken back into custody on Sunday after officers spotted him walking on the street and began following him.

The officers allegedly watched him steal over $300 worth of leggings from a retail store before re-arresting him.

“At the time of his arrest, the suspect had been out of custody for two hours, 18 minutes,” VPD said in the statement.

Police say the reason officers were following the man was because the officers who saw him were the same ones who arrested him earlier that day for a different offence.

Majidpour has been charged with theft under $5,000 and remains in custody.

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/10/18/vancouver-repeat-offender-custody-hours-after-release/

whatnext · #**1912** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 5:28 AM**

As posted right above.

Zepfancouver · #**1913** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 5:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Repeat customer

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/10/18/vancouver-repeat-offender-custody-hours-after-release/

When the f**k is he going to stab someone to death.

WarrenC12 · #**1914** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 3:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Revenge is not giving any solace. This is more then just one schizophrenia nut job.
Sorry but I will be inconsolable for the next few days and I can't imagine what the family is going through.

I agree but I was just responding to the "no ongoing risk to the public" statement.

WarrenC12 · #**1915** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 3:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vin

DTES spill-over for sure. We can't contain this in Vancouver's rotten core and things are starting to spill outwards. The death of the Burnaby RCMP should be on the conscience of those that allow DTES and all the associated problems to exist in the first place. It has gotten out of hand.

Does that make everything better?

Why aren't you blaming Burnaby city council for this one?

Changing City · #**1916** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 4:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Why aren't you blaming Burnaby city council for this one?

The City are doing a pretty good job at finding temporary shelter for people who are homeless, in the face of a significant rise in the number of homeless in Burnaby. They have an outreach team, with RCMP support, and now have permanent shelter beds, which wasn't true a few years ago. There's also more non-market housing available to move people to, from the shelter. Until there are more details about the circumstances of this event, everything else is just speculation.

WarrenC12 · #**1917** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 4:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by Changing City

The City are doing a pretty good job at finding temporary shelter for people who are homeless, in the face of a significant rise in the number of homeless in Burnaby. They have an outreach team, with RCMP support, and now have permanent shelter beds, which wasn't true a few years ago. There's also more non-market housing available to move people to, from the shelter. Until there are more details about the circumstances of this event, everything else is just speculation.

That was a rhetorical question to Vin, who blames Vancouver city council for every problem her perceives under the sun.

I appreciate the background though.

Changing City · #**1918** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That was a rhetorical question to Vin, who blames Vancouver city council for every problem her perceives under the sun.

I appreciate the background though.

I understand; The suggestion that until we know more about the circumstances, comments are speculation was meant to be about Vin's comment, not yours.

The fact that Burnaby has been proactive in finding housing for street homeless, and despite that a tragic event like this happens, illustrates how difficult it will be to house some of the homeless. ABCs extra police and mental health nurses (if they ever materialize) will be expected to work in a similar context to this event, and that's not going to be an easy situation, given the contemporary levels of psychosis in the unhoused population.

It's probably also a factor in the difficulty of getting staff to work in ICUs; it's a tough gig at the best of times, but when your patients are behaving irrationally and are psychotic it's far worse.

dreambrother808 · #**1919** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 5:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

Revenge is not giving any solace. This is more then just one schizophrenia nut job.
Sorry but I will be inconsolable for the next few days and I can't imagine what the family is going through.

People with mental illness are not more violent than the general population. This is a persistent myth, especially for those with schizophrenia.

They are much more likely to be victims of violence, however.

https://ontario.cmha.ca/documents/violence-and-mental-health-unpacking-a-complex-issue/

FarmerHaight · #**1920** Posted **Oct 19, 2022, 6:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Maybe now we'll stop seeing tent city dwellers portrayed as just poor folk with issues.

You're right, the homeless are not a monolith. They are a varied group which requires a range of solutions, not a one size fits all approach. Some need housing first, some need jail time, while the needs of many more fit somewhere on the vast spectrum between those two options.