Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion II

[madog222]

Translink has an RPF up for Compass modernization.

https://portal.us.bn.cloud.ariba.com/discovery/public/rfx/23530871/preview

[Glow Fun City]

Originally Posted by madog222

Translink has an RPF up for Compass modernization.

https://portal.us.bn.cloud.ariba.com/discovery/public/rfx/23530871/preview

Let's hope we finally get distance-based SkyTrain and phone tap…

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Glow Fun City

Let's hope we finally get distance-based SkyTrain and phone tap…

Sounds like it. From the RPF

The Compass Modernization Program (“CMP”) is a transformative initiative to modernize TransLink’s Automated Fare Collection infrastructure and customer experience. The CMP will implement an account-based, closed and open-loop fare system that is modern, flexible, and built for evolving customer needs and multimodal travel patterns.

Probably won't see it up and running until the early 2030s.

[cganuelas1995]

Hopefully this leads to not being charged for two zones when my destination is in zone 1

[jollyburger]

Article on closed & open loop systems from Cubic for anyone interested

https://www.cubic.com/news-events/blogs/open-and-closed-loop-ticketing-making-you-loopy

[ilikeredheads]

don't expect the fare system would change because there's no way you can implement distance-based fares fairly without getting rid of the 90min free transfers. The suggestion of that is pretty much a PR and political suicide.

[Mac Write]

Is it me or are Mark I's as rare as seeing a Mark 2.5 (12 trains vs ?? trains).

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Is it me or are Mark I's as rare as seeing a Mark 2.5 (12 trains vs ?? trains).

I've seen them quite a bit on the Expo. The 2's I've only seen on the Millennium.

[Lexus]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I've seen them quite a bit on the Expo. The 2's I've only seen on the Millennium.

Every new addition of Mark V trains to the rolling stock should correspondingly result in the removal of a Mark I train.
I believe there are currently about five Mark V trains in service.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Lexus

Every new addition of Mark V trains to the rolling stock should correspondingly result in the removal of a Mark I train.
I believe there are currently about five Mark V trains in service.

Does anybody know which ones are being decommissioned? I still see old white livery Mark 1s out there.. they should be put out to pasture.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by ilikeredheads

don't expect the fare system would change because there's no way you can implement distance-based fares fairly without getting rid of the 90min free transfers. The suggestion of that is pretty much a PR and political suicide.

Unless you are talking about people who get onto a bus for a 120-150 minute bus trip by jumping on a bus at minute 89 why would it be any more expensive or the average trip? I wonder if short five minute trips would be any cheaper than the current basic fare.

[madog222]

Nine married pairs, so three trains worth, have been retired. Though only three of those are since the Mark Vs started to enter service.

We have now had three Mark V trains delivered in the past three months so we can safely say they’re onto their planned schedule of one per month.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Does anybody know which ones are being decommissioned? I still see old white livery Mark 1s out there.. they should be put out to pasture.

Doesn’t seem to be in any specific order, should be by maintenance requirements of individual units.

[dpogue]

11 Mark I pairs (so 22 cars in total) have been retired as of yesterday.

Our 8th Mark V train also arrived yesterday: 616.

[cganuelas1995]

I got water dropped on me from a ceiling vent of a community shuttle, do all of them hace this problem when it rains?

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I got water dropped on me from a ceiling vent of a community shuttle, do all of them hace this problem when it rains?

Better than being covered in coolant

https://vancouversun.com/news/translink-bus-coolant-leak-vancouver-april-2025

[Vantage]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

I got water dropped on me from a ceiling vent of a community shuttle, do all of them hace this problem when it rains?

Not all of them, but I have seen it before.

[cganuelas1995]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Better than being covered in coolant

https://vancouversun.com/news/translink-bus-coolant-leak-vancouver-april-2025

It happened again?

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by cganuelas1995

Hopefully this leads to not being charged for two zones when my destination is in zone 1

The idea is that there wouldn't be a "zone 1" any more. The whole idea is that a fare from Patterson station in East Van/Burnaby to Lougheed mall in Burnaby/Coquitlam shouldn't be the same price as someone going from Rupert to Brentwood Mall, or Joyce to Metrotown.

So, expect pay a little more if you're going from one end of the zone to the other end... but less if you're travelling a short distance that happens to cross a zone boundary.

Basically, it'll be priced/km... likely with buses remaining a single-zone fare, perhaps with the exception of Bus Rapid Transit. I don't know how exactly they'll do BRT. A higher base-rate that you pay full-fare for unless you tap out? Hard to say.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by twoNeurons

The idea is that there wouldn't be a "zone 1" any more. The whole idea is that a fare from Patterson station in East Van/Burnaby to Lougheed mall in Burnaby/Coquitlam shouldn't be the same price as someone going from Rupert to Brentwood Mall, or Joyce to Metrotown.

So, expect pay a little more if you're going from one end of the zone to the other end... but less if you're travelling a short distance that happens to cross a zone boundary.

Basically, it'll be priced/km... likely with buses remaining a single-zone fare, perhaps with the exception of Bus Rapid Transit. I don't know how exactly they'll do BRT. A higher base-rate that you pay full-fare for unless you tap out? Hard to say.

I wonder how low they could/would price a 5 minute really short trip versus the average travelling pattern of most riders.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

Unless you are talking about people who get onto a bus for a 120-150 minute bus trip by jumping on a bus at minute 89 why would it be any more expensive or the average trip? I wonder if short five minute trips would be any cheaper than the current basic fare.

It's likely short-distance fares will be comparable to a single-zone fare. They MAY lower it to get community buy in, but effectively it's a one-zone base fare.

So, if you're going from Rupert to Commercial (2 stations) it will be the same as going from Rupert to Brentwood (also 2 stations). Translink's 2018 plan effectively had fares go up every 5 km.


Using that image as a guide, let's take Rupert Station as it's pretty centrally located next to a fare zone.

Rupert's base fare would get you to Stadium going towards downtown, City Hall or Sperling on Millennium Line, and Royal Oak going East on the Expo Line.
$2.20

$2.40 gets you to Granville/Burrard/Waterfront, Oakridge on the Canada Line, and North Vancouver's Lonsdale Quay, and Lake city.

$2.60 adds in VGH/South Granville and Edmonds,
$2.80 adds in PW/SFU,
$3.00 gets you Marine Gateway

etc.

That assuming the high end of 20¢/km fare pricing. They may end up doing a short-trip fare for trips less than 3km as well at some discount lower than the 1-zone fare (to give users the feeling of saving money)

Here's a rough idea centred around Rupert Station. up to about 12km out.

https://imgur.com/bV2wHI5