Winnipeg Construction VIII

[CoryB]

My thinking for The Burt is a new lobby/backstage area would be created along Ellice where the rental car place is currently located. The advantage of this space over the over (north) side is that it could largely be accomplished without alternating the existing, historical building. Based solely on the age of the building I am sure a modern backstage area would make it more attractive to performers. The bulk of the expanded space would be a new lobby to increase alcohol sales and just make the whole process more pleasant much like the Main St addition did for Pantages.

One has to wonder a little though if True North/Longboat might have shot themselves in the foot a little as an improved lobby at The Burt would be one block east of the two CentrePoint retail spaces that seemed ideally suited to the pre/post theatre crowd with perhaps some nice restaurants/lounges. Those same spaces would have been one block away from MTS Centre too. Is it too late to change the plans again and add them back in?

That said, even the parking alone in the True North controlled CentrePoint lot would benefit from having more events at The Burt.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by CoryB

One has to wonder a little though if True North/Longboat might have shot themselves in the foot a little as an improved lobby at The Burt would be one block east of the two CentrePoint retail spaces that seemed ideally suited to the pre/post theatre crowd with perhaps some nice restaurants/lounges. Those same spaces would have been one block away from MTS Centre too. Is it too late to change the plans again and add them back in?

I am not sure if I am misunderstanding you here but, CentrePoint has leased tenants for it's two commercial spaces.....both are restaurants - Milestones and Chino Libre.

[Cyro]

Speculation may have it that Winnipegs WTC organization may be looking at a new location in Winnipeg! And unconfirmed reports,(3rd party speculation), No money to launch or build, have come up with a solution!

Speculative/Unconfirmed Personal Render of New State of the Art Headquarters for the Organization

Top 2 floors will be converted to office space and a large WTC billboard added to the front of building. By: Cyro

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by Biff

I am not sure if I am misunderstanding you here but, CentrePoint has leased tenants for it's two commercial spaces.....both are restaurants - Milestones and Chino Libre.

There was originally a plan for two additional ground floor retail units under the parkade on Ellice. The Glass House moved off the parkade and the retail was scraped as some reports suggest it would have required a higher level of building codes (and higher costs) for the entire parkade structure.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by CoryB

There was originally a plan for two additional ground floor retail units under the parkade on Ellice. The Glass House moved off the parkade and the retail was scraped as some reports suggest it would have required a higher level of building codes (and higher costs) for the entire parkade structure.

I see, you were talking about the parkade.

[Cyro]

To bad 221 Stradbrook sounds like it's been downsized to only 10 storeys, from the 18-19 we first heard about. 100 units, not 200

RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL BUILDING WORKING DRAWINGS
221 Stradbrook Ave, R3L 0J7
$19,000,000 est
Start: June, 2014 Complete: December, 2015
Note: City council has approved rezoning. The scope of work has changed. Working drawings are underway. Owner in interviewing construction managers. An award is expected late January, 2014. Sub trade tenders will be issued spring, 2014. Trades will be awarded sequentially as construction proceeds through June and July, 2014.
Project: concrete foundation, cast-in-place concrete structural frame, fuel fired heating system, construction of a mixed use building with 10 storeys of residential including 100 suites, and commercial space at grade level. The project will also include four live-work units at grade level.
Scope: 132,089 square feet; 10 storeys; 2 storeys below grade; 100 units; parking for 112 cars; 12 acres

First report Thu Nov 28, 2013.
This report Tue Dec 17, 2013.

[esquire]

^ Even at 10 it should still be a welcome addition to the area. But considering how many people currently live in that area between Main/Scott/the Red/the Assiniboine, there sure isn't much of a neighbourhood feel around there. The streetfront commercial space in this new building will help a bit in that regard.

[bomberjet]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/H...ent-at-Assiniboia-Downs---236584371.html

Hotels, retail space planned for development at Assiniboia Downs
By: Staff Writer
Posted: 11:49 AM | Comments: 1

The Manitoba Jockey Club and Peguis First Nation formally announced a new joint venture that will see two hotels, and convention and retail space developed at Assiniboia Downs.
The two equal partners have formed a company, FN Developments Inc., to carry out the development.
The partners said construction of the new development could begin by summer. It's expected to generate $100 million in infrastructure spending and jobs.
"The proposed project will offer Manitobans a unique mix of business and entertainment opportunities making it a full-service destination," said Peguis chief Glenn Hudson.
Hudson said later he hoped a casino could be part of the development. The First Nation would also like to purchase the Downs.
FN Developments plans to develop 40 acres in the area. It will announce more detailed plans this spring, Hudson said.
Community consultations and stakeholder meetings are also planned in the new year.
Several Conservative MLAs attended the morning announcement at the Downs, but government reps were conspicuous by their absence.
Peguis said the joint venture was made possible by the federal government settling a treaty land entitlement claim with the First Nation in 2009.

I wonder how much convention space they'll be looking at building.

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/H...ent-at-Assiniboia-Downs---236584371.html

Hotels, retail space planned for development at Assiniboia Downs
By: Staff Writer
Posted: 11:49 AM | Comments: 1

The Manitoba Jockey Club and Peguis First Nation formally announced a new joint venture that will see two hotels, and convention and retail space developed at Assiniboia Downs.
The two equal partners have formed a company, FN Developments Inc., to carry out the development.
The partners said construction of the new development could begin by summer. It's expected to generate $100 million in infrastructure spending and jobs.
"The proposed project will offer Manitobans a unique mix of business and entertainment opportunities making it a full-service destination," said Peguis chief Glenn Hudson.
Hudson said later he hoped a casino could be part of the development. The First Nation would also like to purchase the Downs.
FN Developments plans to develop 40 acres in the area. It will announce more detailed plans this spring, Hudson said.
Community consultations and stakeholder meetings are also planned in the new year.
Several Conservative MLAs attended the morning announcement at the Downs, but government reps were conspicuous by their absence.
Peguis said the joint venture was made possible by the federal government settling a treaty land entitlement claim with the First Nation in 2009.

I wonder how much convention space they'll be looking at building.

So isn't this somewhat similar to the Westport Festival proposal just south?
Proposed building area on 70 acres of land featuring retail, hotels, restaurants, entertainment, office and flex space opportunities.

Of course the FN wants to add a Casino and a Convention Centre, as WestPort wanted to add something similar in nature but catering to Agricultural functions.

Theirs going to be some major conflict going on here.Government reps not present, NDP, but the CONS were?
This will get interesting no doubt.

[Cyro]

Getting Crowded.....^^
New announcement with Jockey Club/Peguis First Nations

WestPort Developement:

>> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6353721&postcount=1667

>> http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6354903&postcount=1672

Over Developed???

[bomberjet]

There's the whole pissing match going on between the NDP and the Downs over funding and lottery. The VLT's were supposed to be removed from the Downs at some point. Not sure if that happened. IIRC, the Downs are basically squatting on crown land? Peguis claims the land is their ancestral grounds or whatever. They got a boat load of money from the government in 2009 for other land disputes. Surprising the haven't doled it all out to their members yet like some of the other FN's that got big payouts. No hate or racism here, just facts folks..

So no surprise the NDP is staying as far away as possible.

[The Unknown Poster]

If I recall correctly, Downs accused NDP of trying to yank the VLTS to force Downs into selling to Red River Ex or something like that. Didnt the Downs win an injunction against the NDP and kept their VLTS?

[wags_in_the_peg]

it's a beauty (yes my eyes are rolling)

[IMG]http://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/648*461/131219_RACE_TRACK_4_17184590.JPG[/IMG]

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

There's the whole pissing match going on between the NDP and the Downs over funding and lottery. The VLT's were supposed to be removed from the Downs at some point. Not sure if that happened. IIRC, the Downs are basically squatting on crown land? Peguis claims the land is their ancestral grounds or whatever. They got a boat load of money from the government in 2009 for other land disputes. Surprising the haven't doled it all out to their members yet like some of the other FN's that got big payouts. No hate or racism here, just facts folks..

So no surprise the NDP is staying as far away as possible.

Yeah it's a mess. I'm just more curious If these 2 Developments can co-exist even if the disputes are settled. How many Hotels is that? 4? 2 convention meeting spaces almost adjacent to each other? 2 Adjacent Retail centres. Why bother coming into the city at all with RBC Convention Centre expanding.?

I'm for WesportFestival but the Downs/Peguis want to start this in the Spring/Summer next year with the 100 million + they recieved for the land claim dispute. Westport is going through traffic feasabillity studies and they want to plunk this down next door in 6 months. Is it a Race?

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by wags_in_the_peg

it's a beauty (yes my eyes are rolling)

Just an edit..to image code and the click link becuase their humungous!

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

There's the whole pissing match going on between the NDP and the Downs over funding and lottery. The VLT's were supposed to be removed from the Downs at some point. Not sure if that happened. IIRC, the Downs are basically squatting on crown land? Peguis claims the land is their ancestral grounds or whatever. They got a boat load of money from the government in 2009 for other land disputes. Surprising the haven't doled it all out to their members yet like some of the other FN's that got big payouts. No hate or racism here, just facts folks..

So no surprise the NDP is staying as far away as possible.

Is there any land in Manitoba that Peguis hasn't claimed as their own? Once had sympathy for some of the First Nations claims, but when you start making claims on something new every year it get tiresome especially when you know the money they receive isn't going where it should. End of rant.

Pretty pathetic how the NDP has washed their hands of anything involving the Downs.

[The Unknown Poster]

I dont like the First Nations casino ideas. South Beach Casino is nice, seemingly successful and well run. Although I heard that initially there was an agreement for X amount of staff to be Aboriginal but they cant get enough Aboriginals interested to meet the target.

I think a casino makes sense for the Downs area but make one that benefits all Manitobans.

[1ajs]

we dont need anymore casinos they are a waste of money honestly

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

we dont need anymore casinos they are a waste of money honestly

A total waste of money and they seem to target those least able to afford to lose it. All of the money blown at Manitoba casinos would have been money that went into the economy not into the NDP's hands.

[1ajs]

ever go its usualy seniors rather depressing to go into a casino