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^ I'd like to see improvements made to the stretch of 51 too. It's been an ugly dump for a long time.
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51 has been touched on here before. Wasn't a major issue one owner of a lot of shitty properties along the rd?

I think removing those properties (replace them or not) and making both sides of the road "nicer" where possible (greener in the tree/plant sense of the word) would go a long way. Too many pockets of the area (in this case well more than a pocket) are remnants from a long time ago where put shit anywhere. it doesn't fit.
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I just came to Pittsburgh Wed for a week's visit. One thing that struck me was how empty the airport is .. I came in an A gate and it was the only one in operation in the whole concourse. Just dead.
Long article, but a lot of good stuff. Summarized it below.

Pittsburgh International Airport's midfield terminal at 20: A shell of its past self

Yet some see a new and solid future for Pittsburgh International

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news...l-of-its-past-self-655513/#ixzz27zQPz5Mx

By Mark Belko / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
September 30, 2012 12:21 am


Travelers walk through the terminal at Pittsburgh International Airport, which opened 20 years ago.




It wasn't supposed to be this way.

Close to 40.8 million people were expected to travel through Pittsburgh International Airport this year, the 20th anniversary of the midfield terminal. A new satellite terminal should have been facilitating travel to far-flung international destinations.

Instead, an estimated 8.3 million passengers will use the airport in 2012. And the $1 billion terminal, an architectural marvel praised often for its efficiency and ease of use, sits half empty in the middle of the airfield, like a Ferrari on blocks.

"It makes my stomach grind," said Tasso Katselas, the Pittsburgh architect who designed the complex. "I try to fly at peak hours so that it appears to be busy."

It's easy to forgive the 1993 master plan that calculated 40.8 million travelers by 2013, given that it would have taken a biblical prophet to predict the kind of upheaval in the airline industry that has left the midfield terminal a shell of its former self.

No one foresaw the changes, certainly not Edwin I. Colodny, the former USAir chairman who cut the deal with Allegheny County to build the facility, one tailored specifically to his airline's needs.

"We were building for the long term," he said.

No doubt the midfield that dignitaries will commemorate on Monday is a far different terminal, at least in terms of usage, than the one that opened at 5:30 a.m. sharp on Oct. 1, 1992, when USAir Flight 620, a red eye from San Diego, docked at the new building.



Gone is the Pittsburgh hub that US Airways built and then dismantled, one that at its peak pumped 20.7 million travelers through the midfield terminal. At one time, the terminal handled 633 nonstop flights a day to 114 destinations.

Today, midfield is down to 155 daily flights to 36 destinations. Airlines at one time occupied as many as 104 gates, including those in a commuter wing, with US Airways leasing three-quarters of them. Now use is down to 50 gates, with US Airways occupying 10. The airport has closed half of the A and B concourses, once used exclusively by US Airways. The commuter wing has been vacated and part of it is now used as a secondary security checkpoint.

- With the elimination of the hub in 2004 and numerous flight cutbacks, US Airways employment in the region has dropped from a peak of 12,000 people to 1,800 today.

- To the county, the terminal project was a major economic development initiative, one that would generate thousands of jobs and open up nearly 10,000 acres of land surrounding the airport to business.

- There were few dissenting voices, but one of them was Dr. Cyril Wecht, a Democrat who did not oppose the project but who raised concerns about tying midfield's fortunes to one airline (USAir). He was out of office by the time the county finalized the deal to build the terminal.

- Barbara Hafer, a former Republican commissioner who signed the agreement to build the terminal in 1988, said she also was uneasy about that aspect of the deal but didn't believe the county had much choice. She said US Airways insisted on being top dog at midfield.

- For most of the first decade after the midfield terminal opened, much of the news was good. Passenger traffic grew from 16.7 million in 1991 to an all-time high of 20.7 million in 1997. The terminal itself won widespread acclaim from travelers who enjoyed its wide concourses and modern amenities, such as moving sidewalks.

- Midfield seemed to be poised for a record year in 2001 when the bottom fell out after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. As airlines struggled to survive in an industry increasingly dominated by low-fare carriers, US Airways filed for bankruptcy twice.

- The end of the first bankruptcy in March 2003 came with a surprise. Shortly before emerging, the airline rejected its midfield leases, signaling the beginning of the end of its Pittsburgh hub. By late 2004, it was gone for good.

- ... an airline struggling to make ends meet didn't need three hubs. The hub in Philadelphia offered US Airways a much larger local market, while the one in Charlotte, N.C., gave it a foothold in the south and in one of the largest financial centers in the country. "There's nothing wrong with Pittsburgh. It was just the odd man out," he said.

- All those US Airways cutbacks opened the door for low-fare carriers like JetBlue and Southwest, now the airport's second largest airline. Great...

- After a slow start, development on the county land surrounding the airport has started to take off. Some 16 buildings representing more than $325 million in private investment have gone up on the property. The projects have created or retained more than 5,000 jobs, according to the airport authority.

- County Executive Rich Fitzgerald, who has made increasing air service a priority, said he believes midfield can become a hub again, or at least a focus city, for a major airline. "It is a state-of-the-art facility built for US Airways. It has all that infrastructure in place. It's not like it's obsolete by any means. It's still one of the best facilities in the country and in the world," he said. I'm no airport expert by a long shot, but I have to doubt that PIT is still one of the best in the world

- There's more than convenience at stake. A good airport can be a big selling point in attracting and retaining business in a region. Conversely, the lack of adequate air service can drive companies out. Cincinnati discovered that last year when one of its best known companies, Chiquita Brands International, announced that it was moving to Charlotte. The move was made in large part because of inadequate service out of Cincinnati, where Delta had decimated its hub.

- Consultants are less optimistic about midfield's chances for a comeback, particularly given that many airlines are in a period of limited growth and are looking to close or downsize secondary hubs, not add them... "I don't think anybody is harboring any dreams that it's going to be a gateway to the world," he said.

- Nonetheless, Mr. George believes the midfield terminal has a chance to defy the odds. He noted that the region's population is starting to grow again, the city is strong... "I just feel, how can it get any worse?" he said.

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What is your vision...? It's a difficult stretch of road to imagine as anything but an eyesore so I am curious what you have come up with. I too would love to see that stretch improved.
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^ I'd like to see improvements made to the stretch of 51 too. It's been an ugly dump for a long time.
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51 has been touched on here before. Wasn't a major issue one owner of a lot of shitty properties along the rd?

I think removing those properties (replace them or not) and making both sides of the road "nicer" where possible (greener in the tree/plant sense of the word) would go a long way. Too many pockets of the area (in this case well more than a pocket) are remnants from a long time ago where put shit anywhere. it doesn't fit.
Well, I'm not sure if you guys are aware or not, but they are overhauling the 51-88 intersection. It will be rebuilt as a jug-handle intersection. Left turns from northbound Saw Mill Run Blvd onto Library Road or Glenbury Road will be made by exiting via the jughandle at right.

I'm thinking that the South Busway ends at taht intersection. I suggest not only building PA 51 as a wide tree-lined boulevard, but have a 3rd lane in each direction serving as BRT lane. If such a road is built all the way to the Pleasant Hills border, that would provide a few more miles of BRT lanes. I also have a few pockets of development where geographically possible to do so...

I also have this vision coming to life in sketchup. I haven't worked on it in a while as I have become more focused on my vision for Allegheny Center and the surrounding area, but I will have to revisit that project...
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There isn't a damn thing on Saw Mill Run worth keeping. They need to buy the properties along it and do what they are doing on Route 28 -- level everything in sight, widen the road, SEPARATE the N/S'bound lanes, properly correct "orange creek" so it can handle the water when it rains, and add turn lanes as needed to aid in traffic flow.
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PIT really hasn't aged well as a facility. Dated design right out of the gate, poor maintenance, etc. Regardless of passenger totals, I'm always struck by how ugly the whole complex is. PIT opened in 1992. Three years later Denver International Airport opened (1995).

It's crazy to me that our architect was so behind the curve... three years later and something that looks like this opens?



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I don't mind the Pittsburgh airport design... definitely screams 1980s though, so I totally see your point about being 'behind the curve' by 1992.

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I don't mind the Pittsburgh airport design... definitely screams 1980s though, so I totally see your point about being 'behind the curve' by 1992.
I don't think it looks "80s". It definitely looks like a 90s period piece of architecture. I am not a big fan of the style; I agree with Aaron that the finishes look very dated but the layout is quite good IMO especially compared to our previous 1940s airport which I still remember fairly well. I still love walking around the airside terminal; it's a pleasant airport.
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Yeah, the layout is perfect. Not knocking that at all. It just looks old as hell, while other airport terminals built in other cities around the same time period still look brand new to this day. Reading this article, it turns out the architect was someone local – which probably explains it. I feel like new seating, carpet and paint would go a long way to freshening up the place.
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Long article, but a lot of good stuff. Summarized it below.

Pittsburgh International Airport's midfield terminal at 20: A shell of its past self

Yet some see a new and solid future for Pittsburgh International

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/news...l-of-its-past-self-655513/#ixzz27zQPz5Mx

By Mark Belko / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
September 30, 2012 12:21 am


Travelers walk through the terminal at Pittsburgh International Airport, which opened 20 years ago.




It wasn't supposed to be this way.

Close to 40.8 million people were expected to travel through Pittsburgh International Airport this year, the 20th anniversary of the midfield terminal. A new satellite terminal should have been facilitating travel to far-flung international destinations.

Instead, an estimated 8.3 million passengers will use the airport in 2012. And the $1 billion terminal, an architectural marvel praised often for its efficiency and ease of use, sits half empty in the middle of the airfield, like a Ferrari on blocks.


Our deserted airport celebrates it's 20th along with the Pirates who are celebrating their 20 years of losing seasons.

A look at the Pirates' 20 years of futility

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/spor...the-pirates-20-years-of-futility-655651/


In related news, Kevin McClatchey comes out as gay in the New York Times. This was a very interesting story to read which really sheds light on how a persons sexuality affects their reputation and career in the sports world and beyond: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinio...tml?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www&_r=0
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I've never really liked TKA's designs. They use way too much brick/contrete, and very rarely glass or metal. The CCAC Campus, Airport, old UPMC headquarters and Seagate building are all very blaw to look at. Almost communist block like.

The functionality of their designs are pretty good, but the asthetics are stuck in the 60's.
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Yeah, the layout is great. Like I said, I don't mind the design -- the layout and even the style, really (though updates/modernization is needed).

Though to me, red arch trusses and those rounded design elements suggest an architect who hasn't really left the '80s behind.









http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileIT_Concourse_B.jpg

Cosmetic update would do wonders...

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Oakland 2025 Master Plan

http://www.opdc.org/programs-services/2011-community-plan/


Here is the link to the 'Urban Design Focus Areas', which summarizes the plan with the most graphics and renderings. Provides decent look at plans for Fifth/Forbes corridor, Blvd of Allies/West Oakland Portal, North Oakland/N. Craig/Centre, S. Craig 'Innovation' area:

http://www.opdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1209010-Oakland-2025-Report-SCREEN-Sec-5.pdf
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It also feels very '80s to me.

But generally, I don't really care about that. The big problem is it was way overbuilt, thus way too expensive, and USAir left the County on the hook for all those extra expenses in bankruptcy. That's unfortunate because it means fees and leases and such for the remaining users of the airport have to be considerably higher than they otherwise could be. But that situation is gradually being worked out through debt paydown, and a little help from some gambling revenues, and in any event, it is water under the bridge (and hopefully a lesson learned).

Otherwise--it is obviously more than adequate to serve the needs of local fliers, and it is well-designed from a functional standpoint, and that's most of what I care about.
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Can't wait for this! $7 million Mellon Square renovation under way. I love this park and am happy to see this major update. This is the closest thing downtown has to a Rittenhouse Square type of park. (they are quite different but both are surrounded on all sides by very nice old tall buildings.)

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/01/phase-1-of-mellon-square-renovations-nearing-completion/
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I understand where you're coming from. It kinda looks like an NES console.

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I have no problems with the look of the airport. I love the layout and functionality to it. The airport might be bland looking, but it looks like an airport. I don't expect much anyway. It's worth noting that even though it opened in 1992, it took years for this all to happen.
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LOL. That's a perfect comparison.
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^ There was something with red in combination with different shades of gray in the later 1980s.

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