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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 9:45 AM
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No offense to Red Fest, but it was never a good fit for Austin hosting it. That sort of event would be more suited to the deep south. Im not surprised at all that sales are not that great. Heck, most of those people hate Austin and it's evil liberal majority lol.

Hopefully this will be the last we will ever hear about it here again.
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Old Posted May 25, 2014, 9:50 AM
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Since Austin will be hosting the X-games for at least the next four years, is it safe to say that what they are building now will contain some semi-permanent venues that will be left standing through that whole run of time? It seems counterintuitive to dismantle everything each year and reassemble it again. Especially since X-games super fans may want to visit in the off season. I could even imagine a public sports park and museum. It would certainly enhance COTA's cache as a sporting destination.
Considering that a good chunk of the X Games venues are actually being built over the race track, all of that will have to be removed as soon as the games are over. Im sure that there are some areas off track that would make sense to have permanent, but COTA doesn't make a lot of sense most of the time.
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Old Posted May 26, 2014, 9:52 PM
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Since Austin will be hosting the X-games for at least the next four years, is it safe to say that what they are building now will contain some semi-permanent venues that will be left standing through that whole run of time? It seems counterintuitive to dismantle everything each year and reassemble it again. Especially since X-games super fans may want to visit in the off season. I could even imagine a public sports park and museum. It would certainly enhance COTA's cache as a sporting destination.
I think pretty much everything they're erecting out there right now is temporary.
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Old Posted May 27, 2014, 7:29 PM
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They left the turn 12 bleachers that they had built and taken down for the first two races and left for MotoGP. They told us it was cheaper to leave them up. So after Xgames they could take them down or leave them up until F1 this year. So they are getting smarter about what they do but those first bunch of big wigs just messed them up, they need some time to get it right as any management change up would do.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 2:34 AM
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They left the turn 12 bleachers that they had built and taken down for the first two races and left for MotoGP. They told us it was cheaper to leave them up. So after Xgames they could take them down or leave them up until F1 this year. So they are getting smarter about what they do but those first bunch of big wigs just messed them up, they need some time to get it right as any management change up would do.
The problem is at the top. The management changes have changed very little, esp for the better.

Re: the T12 GS, it's never been taken down since the first GP.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 3:02 AM
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Re: the T12 GS, it's never been taken down since the first GP.
Are you sure? I also remember it being dismantled after the first F1 race. I recall the first race, there were lots of complaints about the t12 grandstand being unstable and shaky, and I remember thinking I hope they address that when they put it up again. I don't recall it being there for 2013 Grand Am, and maybe MotoGP too...

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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 4:54 AM
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No offense to Red Fest, but it was never a good fit for Austin hosting it. That sort of event would be more suited to the deep south. Im not surprised at all that sales are not that great. Heck, most of those people hate Austin and it's evil liberal majority lol.

Hopefully this will be the last we will ever hear about it here again.
I know a few Austinites that wanted to go, but said $100 a ticket was too steep. If the price was better, the turnout would have been there.
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Old Posted May 28, 2014, 8:19 PM
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Are you sure? I also remember it being dismantled after the first F1 race. I recall the first race, there were lots of complaints about the t12 grandstand being unstable and shaky, and I remember thinking I hope they address that when they put it up again. I don't recall it being there for 2013 Grand Am, and maybe MotoGP too...

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Yeah, you're right. My bad. But it isn't one they take down & put up repeatedly. It's been back up at least for several months...last 3 or 4 events. It was up for SVRA, WEC, F1, & Moto GP.
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Looks like motorsport isn't the only kind of racing COTA has been running off...6th annual Tour of Austin cancelled due to COTA jackassery. Shocking.

http://texasbikeracing.com/tour-austin-cancelled/

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The 6th year of The Tour of Austin (TOA) has been recently and reluctantly cancelled. With plans to make this year grander by adding more vendors and having two days at Circuit of the Americas (COTA), things sounded promising during the beginning stages of organization. Having last year’s TOA pan out as a huge success, COTA was excited to host it once again. Although TOA has always struggled to attain sponsors, Andrew and Holly Willis were ready take this project on once again. They drew up an agreement and sent it out to COTA in May of 2013, where it went over well. Holly and Andrew were hopeful TOA had finally found a home after years of bouncing from venue to venue and losing money for the first three years.

They started having meetings to discuss details with COTA, but the holidays came around and progression started to slow down. An agreement had not been finalized just yet, and everyone was still trying to figure out who would take the reins on certain tasks (i.e. who would book the bands, which person would bring the craft beer in, etc.). Would it be COTA or Holland Racing that would take those responsibilities?

Both parties knew they still had a lot of kinks to iron out, and they agreed to meet back up after the holiday madness. Unfortunately for the cycling community, COTA went through a change in management in early spring of 2014. “This is where things started to go wrong,” Andrew Willis informed me. The fast turnover of employees was a pattern he noticed early on in his relationship with COTA. It seemed every time he’d make a visit, he would have to catch a new associate up to speed. “I had a lot of the same meetings over and over again.”

After a productive meeting, COTA told Andrew they would get with the new president and contact him in a couple of days. A month went by and Andrew decided to call back after not hearing anything. They returned his call a week-and-a-half later with an offer for one day at the track, which was a complete departure from what they have been working on for the last six months. They pretty much offered Holland Racing the same deal as 2013, which included a large cash rental fee and percentage of the net profit.

Not having the sponsorship they hoped for, the Willises found this offer disappointing and financially stressful. It didn’t have any language about live music, craft-beer vendors, or a multiple-day event, and unlike the previous year, there was no percentage of revenue, but a much higher one-day flat rental. They said to themselves, “We can’t do this.”

“It was a complete departure from our model. Normally we won’t put on an event unless we can cover our fixed costs upfront with sponsorship,” said Willis.

The year before, Holly and Andrew were in over $50,000 before the Tour of Austin even opened for registration, confident they would make it back, and they did. “It was a complete departure from our model. Normally we won’t put on an event unless we can cover our fixed costs upfront with sponsorship. The entry fee model just doesn’t work, but for COTA we decided to take that risk in an effort to get our foot in the door with them,” said Andrew Willis. This new agreement left them feeling unconfident and uncertain. Coming to an agreement so late in the year left no time to develop sufficient sponsorship to cover costs and would leave Andrew and Holly’s funds exposed once again. Would people once again pay $75 to race or would there be a “been there, done that” mentality?

Andrew wrote back with a counter offer, reminding COTA about the music, the beer vendors, and the second day. They notified him that they were extremely busy with the X-Games and it would take a while for a response.

Andrew was confident he could at least lock down COTA for one day and decided to pursue a third venue since he already had The Driveway. He reached out to Belterra, and the same property manager he had worked with previously told him that they would love to have the race back.

Things were looking to be back on track for The Tour of Austin: one day each at The Driveway, COTA, and Belterra. The meetings with Belterra were going great, but the Willises still hadn’t heard back from COTA. After May of 2014 came, phones calls and emails were made in hopes of contacting and finalizing the deal with COTA.


Another roadblock came up when Andrew reached out to Hayes County. Since the last Belterra race, the county had changed the way they do road closures, requiring more documentation since the county had grown. While working to meet these requirements, both Belterra and the Willises realized they were running out of time for the Tour of Austin.

After the X-Games came and went, Andrew reached out to COTA yet again and got no reply. He couldn’t get them to answer his phone calls or his emails. With things out of his reach or control, Andrew discussed other options with Holly and other pillars of the cycling community. Suggestions were tossed around, but it boiled down to not having sufficient time even after months and months of work. They wanted to ensure that the event would work for the residents, be safe for the riders, and be something they could be proud of when they put their name on it. The cards did not fall that way.

For several years, Andrew had bent over backwards to make sure the Tour of Austin and a slew of other events happened no matter the cost. But he realized they couldn’t lose money any longer. The long weekends. The stress. Relying on relatives to watch their kids for days on end to help make a bike race happen. It was all for not if, in the end it didn’t benefit the family. In the first five years with Holland Racing, Andrew had gained 50 pounds, sacrificed quality time with his family, and after Georgetown Grand in 2012, the physical and mental stress gave way to signs of some heart problems. “I must put being a good father and husband first and also think about my health before trying to be a super promoter,” Andrew admitted.

The future of The Tour of Austin is uncertain at this point in Andrew and Holly’s eyes. They, of course, would love nothing more than for the event to go on, but a mutual and reasonable agreement with an ideal venue is crucial. Despite the rigmarole with COTA, Andrew would love to work with them in the future; after all, it is an amazing complex.

Being a promoter can often be a thankless position, but we here at TexasBikeRacing.com would like to express gratitude to this power couple. Andrew and Holly have devoted so much time into cultivating the cycling scene in Austin and in Texas, and we appreciate you. Cheers and keep your heads up!
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Change of plans for 4th of July Fireworks at COTA. Despite COTA's claims of "Free Parking" on their website, the only free parking was to be at lots F and L -- the furthest lots from the fireworks. Now they've eliminated lot L, leaving lot F as the only free parking lot. COTA and the Austin Symphony said 3 weeks ago on their web sites that lots L and F would be free parking. Now, true to COTA form, they've changed their minds mid-stream.

This was apparently the hold-up with the city. Seems COTA did not want ANY free lots. They have now whittled it down to one.

Just FYI, Haywood's Hill has a great view and will park cars for $10.00 iirc, with no restrictions on what people bring in.

From June 2nd COTA Website:

• Free parking in COTA Lots F and L only
• Up-close parking available for $10/vehicle
• On-site camping is available. Pricing will be announced at a later date.
• A map will be located on the austinsymphony.org website and free mobile app.

Looking at today's map, only Lot F is free.

http://www.austinsymphony.org/files/...Y4TH_20141.pdf
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Change of plans for 4th of July Fireworks at COTA. Despite COTA's claims of "Free Parking" on their website, the only free parking was to be at lots F and L -- the furthest lots from the fireworks. Now they've eliminated lot L, leaving lot F as the only free parking lot. COTA and the Austin Symphony said 3 weeks ago on their web sites that lots L and F would be free parking. Now, true to COTA form, they've changed their minds mid-stream.

This was apparently the hold-up with the city. Seems COTA did not want ANY free lots. They have now whittled it down to one.

Just FYI, Haywood's Hill has a great view and will park cars for $10.00 iirc, with no restrictions on what people bring in.

From June 2nd COTA Website:

• Free parking in COTA Lots F and L only
• Up-close parking available for $10/vehicle
• On-site camping is available. Pricing will be announced at a later date.
• A map will be located on the austinsymphony.org website and free mobile app.

Looking at today's map, only Lot F is free.

http://www.austinsymphony.org/files/...Y4TH_20141.pdf
To be fair, they didn't convert lot L to pay parking, they have just eliminated it. Perhaps they are expecting a smaller crowd than the originally projected.
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To be fair, they didn't convert lot L to pay parking, they have just eliminated it.
Yep. That's what I said.
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I just don't see why they couldn't have done it at Zilker Park. They did for a few years while they rebuilt the Auditorium area into the Long Center, Palmer Events Center and Butler Park. It just seems weird to have the main city fireworks display away from the heart of the city. It's for that reason I'm not going to see them.
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I just don't see why they couldn't have done it at Zilker Park. They did for a few years while they rebuilt the Auditorium area into the Long Center, Palmer Events Center and Butler Park. It just seems weird to have the main city fireworks display away from the heart of the city. It's for that reason I'm not going to see them.
The Bouldin Creek NIMBYs is why they don't do it there.
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The Bouldin Creek NIMBYs is why they don't do it there.
Taking Not in my back yard to a whole other level seeing as how Bouldin Creek is not by Zilker Park but the Butler Park and Auditorium Shores area which the fireworks are normally at. But I find that many of the NIMBYs as more like not anywhere within a 10 mile radius lol.
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Daily Texan: Fireworks celebration should stay in Downtown Austin

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Daily Texan: Fireworks celebration should stay in Downtown Austin

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2014...owntown-austin
What's sad is that for many, this is an annual tradition that may have to be cancelled. I went to every one for at least a dozen years before moving north. I'm sure hundreds of folks in the condos dt were looking forward to the fireworks also. Overall, I think the move to COTA totally sucks. As a side note, I wonder how this will affect takeoffs and landings at the airport...As another side note, I think our decision makers are smoking the herb, or they have their heads up their asses, or both.
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Yeah, I hope this is a temporary thing only this year. One of the coolest thing we loved about the DT fireworks was bringing our kayaks down and watching with 100s of others on the water.
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I've never been to the downtown fireworks display. I always go to Lampasas and set off my own fireworks. More fun to play with fire and explosives.
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Have any game studios been out to the track to map it? I would love to see the track in Forza or Gran Turismo.
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