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Old Posted Jan 23, 2011, 7:20 PM
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With the exception of the Richardson family, IG, and Great West Life..every other major building in our downtown bares the name of some crown corporation or government entity; this city is hardly a bastion of free market enterprise.
Major buildings? Which buildings at the corner of Portage and Main are crown corps or government entities?
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Major buildings? Which buildings at the corner of Portage and Main are crown corps or government entities?
From the article I just posted..

"Do not be overly impressed by talk about our growth and stability over the last few years compared with other provinces--much of that "growth" comes from provincial public spending, fuelled by federal transfers and equalization. That money in turn comes from provinces that have stronger economies.

Look around at the major buildings and projects in Manitoba over the past 10 years, and ask yourself, "Which ones are not government owned or subsidized?"
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A bright face on too little money to fix a crumbling city

By: Dan Lett

Link: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...114411529.html
Posted: 01/22/2011 1:00 AM | Winnipeg Free Press

Whenever the city delivers a capital budget, it is accompanied by a cheery optimism. Lurking beneath that veneer, however, is an unmistakable sense of impending doom.

As we found out Friday, the city will spend $370 million this year fixing roads, sidewalks, bridges and upgrading water and sewer services. Parks will see enhancements and even aging gravel back lanes (we still have gravel back lanes?) will be a bit better off. It's all genuinely positive stuff. Your tax dollars at work.

The impending sense of doom comes when you realize after all that money is spent, we'll be worse off than we were at the beginning of the year. That's because $370 million is just a fraction of the more than $3 billion it is estimated we need to spend on infrastructure. Consider that the city estimates it needs to spend $170 million a year just to maintain existing regional and local streets. This year, it will spend just $42 million. That's why, after spending more than a third of a billion dollars, we're actually deeper in the glue than when we started.

Your heart has to go out to senior civic bureaucrats, who each year are asked to deliver the capital budget with a plucky "it's not enough but it's pretty good" gusto. They are consummately professional in the commission of their mission, which is not to sweat the slow, painful decay of the city, but do the best job they can with what they have. This is a job that only courageous public administrators and captains of sinking ships can fully appreciate.

It would be wrong to describe this as a case of the city whistling by the graveyard. For that to be true, the whistlers must have no sense of their own mortality as they stroll happily past the tombstones.


No, given that the city knows exactly how bad the problem is, this is more a case of quiet, dignified resignation. We're aware of the problem, and we're doing the best we can and we know it's not enough.

The city is limited in its ability to raise money, and has been stymied in its bid to get a greater share of sales taxes to attack the infrastructure deficit. So, realizing that there simply isn't enough money to do what is needed, the city does what it can. And then puts as positive a spin on it as possible.

Coun. Scott Fielding, chairman of the city's finance committee and city hall's de facto finance minister, did his best to accentuate the positive while detailing the work that would be done this year. Ditto Mayor Sam Katz who, like Fielding, began every statement by acknowledging the city is not spending enough. Even as the two men faced down reporters, however, you could tell they fully recognized the futility of their situation. It all makes for a rather macabre scene.

Imagine you've just heard a giant meteor is hurtling towards Earth, where it will destroy all humankind. Realizing there's nothing you can do, you turn off the TV, sit down to dinner and discuss where the family should go on summer holiday this year.

Is there no way out of this vicious cycle of unfounded optimism and crumbling roads? The city certainly believes a bigger a share of sales taxes is the silver bullet. And it is true that the best way to make headway is by connecting the cost of infrastructure to a growth tax. But that is not the only solution.

The city will table an operating budget next month in which it must show senior levels of government it is doing its part. Right now, the city is more interested in avoiding debt and freezing taxes than finding own-source solutions for the infrastructure deficit. The result is a city that is fiscally sound (with low debt levels and tens of millions of dollars in reserve accounts) and physically decrepit.

But this is also a city that has an operating budget based on a wing and prayer. To make matters worse, the city has sustained the property tax freeze by raiding those reserve accounts and counting unrealized revenue from long-shot lawsuits against the province. It's not hard to see why the provincial and federal governments, both of which are facing deficit crises of different magnitudes, might have little time to entertain indignant demands from the city for a larger share of sales tax revenue.

The federal and provincial governments already pay an enormous share of infrastructure costs. The city will receive more than $116 million in infrastructure money from the federal and provincial governments this year. So it's a bit disingenuous to accuse the senior levels of government of abandoning the city on this issue.

Adding a point to the provincial sales tax is very likely the solution to this problem. However, instead of constant complaints, the city should work with the province so this does not become an act of governmental hara-kiri.

And the city should do it soon. That meteor is getting closer and closer.

dan.lett@freepress.mb.ca


Republished from the Winnipeg Free Press print edition January 22, 2011 B1
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2011, 7:30 PM
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From the article I just posted..

"Do not be overly impressed by talk about our growth and stability over the last few years compared with other provinces--much of that "growth" comes from provincial public spending, fuelled by federal transfers and equalization. That money in turn comes from provinces that have stronger economies.

Look around at the major buildings and projects in Manitoba over the past 10 years, and ask yourself, "Which ones are not government owned or subsidized?"
This seems like it will be an interesting series to read. Is it for subscribers only? If so, can you continue to post throughout the week...
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Yeah, this is unfortunately the truth...

I mean, even if this is the only way we're growing, we should not let that slip; ultimately we are still growing,

but still, when CanWest was the company that built the largest office tower in Winnipeg, and it folded, it does bring forth a sour truth to what Winnipeg's bad side is on this front.

There is lots of future potential, yes, but right now...the question is, how do we remedy this?

What does Winnipeg do?


Does a Conservative government lead the Province, and ultimately, Winnipeg to this?
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Yeah, this is unfortunately the truth...

I mean, even if this is the only way we're growing, we should not let that slip; ultimately we are still growing,

but still, when CanWest was the company that built the largest office tower in Winnipeg, and it folded, it does bring forth a sour truth to what Winnipeg's bad side is on this front.

There is lots of future potential, yes, but right now...the question is, how do we remedy this?

What does Winnipeg do?


Does a Conservative government lead the Province, and ultimately, Winnipeg to this?
canwest never built its tower it was a investment group along with TD that built it creswin bought it few yrs ago and put canwests logo on it
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Yeah, this is unfortunately the truth...

I mean, even if this is the only way we're growing, we should not let that slip; ultimately we are still growing,

but still, when CanWest was the company that built the largest office tower in Winnipeg, and it folded, it does bring forth a sour truth to what Winnipeg's bad side is on this front.

There is lots of future potential, yes, but right now...the question is, how do we remedy this?

What does Winnipeg do?


Does a Conservative government lead the Province, and ultimately, Winnipeg to this?
TD Bank was the backer along with Bentall in the construction of the current CanWest tower and they downsized as did the other financial institutions. I still miss the beautiful ol TD building at Notre Dame and Portage.
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I've said it before and i'll say it again..

Banks like to be close to where the action is. One hundred years ago until about as recently as the 1970's that economic powerhouse in the west was Winnipeg.

Today it's Calgary, and tomorrow it could be Vancouver if oil were to tank.

With the exception of the Richardson family, IG, and Great West Life..every other major building in our downtown bares the name of some crown corporation or government entity; this city is hardly a bastion of free market enterprise.


In the last decade alone think of the corporate hq's we have lost
-CanWest
-Agracore United
-Hudbay Minerals


What reason is there for a major chartered bank to be here?
Ahh, MTS is not a crown corp and hasn't been for 15 years..There are many names on buildings that are not gov or crowns, maybe not HQ in Winnipeg but .... like Rogers, Air Canada etc..
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This seems like it will be an interesting series to read. Is it for subscribers only? If so, can you continue to post throughout the week...
I will try and keep on top of it..

It might be a neat issue for a dedicated thread.
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I think these posts belong in the "Winnipeg - Of Interest" as they are not directly related to specific construction matters. Let's just try and keep things organized
That's the problem..there is no construction in this town.

Just the odd smattering of public works projects.


You want to see real growth? Count the number of cranes on Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver's skyline. Now that's a boom!

Hell, these days even lowly Regina has more cranes up than us and they're all privately funded projects too.
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last time i checked our gehtos are less gehto witch was last night on a walk through the heart of the north end.......
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That's the problem..there is no construction in this town.

Just the odd smattering of public works projects.


You want to see real growth? Count the number of cranes on Toronto, Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver's skyline. Now that's a boom!

Hell, these days even lowly Regina has more cranes up than us and they're all privately funded projects too.
I think what you are saying is true to an extent, but you have to remember that Winnipeg still has plenty of growing "within" before growing "up" will happen with any earnest.

By "within" I mean filling up the derth of empty or underused buidlings in the exchange and around downtown.

Case in point, the old "Penthouse" block. It is currently well underway into it's Condo conversion that will add a significant number of residential units to the area. But from the outside, you'd never know it. James Avenue will be very similar in the next couple years - quietly adding residential, one building at a time.

Cranes or no cranes, things ARE happening.

But trust me, there are projects on the horizon. We just need to fill in a bit more...
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just look at the avenue building or the scott block...
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but still, when CanWest was the company that built the largest office tower in Winnipeg, and it folded, it does bring forth a sour truth to what Winnipeg's bad side is on this front.
CanWest never built that tower. It was built for TD Bank regional headquarters years before CanWest ever put their logo on top.
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Ahhh I never knew that about the CanWest building


So it was actually a TD tower before?

That explains the TD bank!

So was that corner all banks minus the Richardson building?
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Ahhh I never knew that about the CanWest building


So it was actually a TD tower before?

That explains the TD bank!

So was that corner all banks minus the Richardson building?
The Richardson never had CIBC on the top but it was the fourth bank.
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The Richardson never had CIBC on the top but it was the fourth bank.
Plus RBC right at Fort and Portage, almost Portage and Main.
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I think what you are saying is true to an extent, but you have to remember that Winnipeg still has plenty of growing "within" before growing "up" will happen with any earnest.

By "within" I mean filling up the derth of empty or underused buidlings in the exchange and around downtown.

Case in point, the old "Penthouse" block. It is currently well underway into it's Condo conversion that will add a significant number of residential units to the area. But from the outside, you'd never know it. James Avenue will be very similar in the next couple years - quietly adding residential, one building at a time.

Cranes or no cranes, things ARE happening.

But trust me, there are projects on the horizon. We just need to fill in a bit more...
I agree with the sentiment that smaller infill projects are the thing that is needed most right now.

My comments had more to do with the percentage of big projects that the government either directly or indirectly finances in this town compared to other places.
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I agree with the sentiment that smaller infill projects are the thing that is needed most right now.

My comments had more to do with the percentage of big projects that the government either directly or indirectly finances in this town compared to other places.
More than Quebec City or Hamilton you think? Because those our our sister cities far more than any of those that you mentioned. Winnipeg is doing fine, and there is a great deal going on here and it isn't just about government. This isn't the 90s.
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Winnipeg still could do better. Just because Quebec and Hamilton may not have the same amount of development dose not equate that we're doing great. We have been making small steps decade at a time. I truly believe 25 years from now Winnipeg will be different. And so will other cities. Calgary and Edmonton will be different from what they are now. I dont see the oil boom going on for that long. And Vancouver could likely be the next financial powerhouse in Western Canada.

For Winnipeg to really prosper and grow. We need to stop thinking of ourselves as a big town.

...Being a big town has it's advantages though.
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