ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Originally Posted by cabasse

1500 for a 1br in a highrise in midtown isn't awful. i'm paying 1300 for something similar here in ft worth, in the 'cultural district' in a lowrise. more than i should be...

1500 is for studio... true 1 bedrooms start at $2112

Cannon Equities plans $200 million The Quarter Upper West Side http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2016/06/17/200m-project-proposed-for-westside.html

This is way up there, not sure how they can still claim to be Westside. It is rather close to the Cobb county line.

[forj]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

1500 is for studio... true 1 bedrooms start at $2112

Cannon Equities plans $200 million The Quarter Upper West Side http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print-edition/2016/06/17/200m-project-proposed-for-westside.html

This is way up there, not sure how they can still claim to be Westside. It is rather close to the Cobb county line.

its a stones throw from Top Golf Midtown. yes, they call that midtown lol. But yeh, thats why it's the Upper West Side. Its been called that for years. i think most would consider the area where top golf and nuevo larado is as the West Side

[thepope117]

Originally Posted by Ant131531

Once all of these apartment flood into Midtown, those prices should drop. Those are basically pushing 3 dollar/square feet. Wow.

The prices are in line with the upper range of tier II in-town rental rates in the US i don't see the prices dropping too much at most they will go down to 2.30 but even that's a bit over optimistic. It's the inevitable result of development and high demand.

[DWNTWN]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

No, he's spot on--the west side of Arts Center is pretty dead. I think it's the lack of retail, but of course that's changing as we speak. There must be a hundred times more people on the streets around Midtown Station, where there are stores and restaurants on every block. That's what it takes to get people walking around. Residential isn't enough.

He might have been "spot on" if his argument had been as you describe it, sticking to the "west side of arts center station," but that is not what we were discussing. We were discussing 14th Street and further north, between Peachtree and Arts Center, which is a much larger area containing all that I mentioned. I lived there. I am sure some on this board live there now. My wife and I go there all the time at night for dinner, symphony, and Alliance Theater productions. If we are literally going to stick to just west of the station, then it doesn't get more dense in Atlanta than that single block. There is retail at the bottom of each of the towers, just like there will be at AMLI. All of this development is welcome, and then some, but calling this area "dead at night" is not accurate. There are 5-6 million people in this metro, and we must each have a different version of "active" and "dead" when it comes to blocks. 500 residents on one block with multiple restaurants and bars does not sound like a dead area to me, but I must not be expecting as much as others. And since everyone loves NYC so much on this board, I would challenge y'all to visit the financial district at night. It is "dead", even though there are thousands of residents and dozens of open restaurants. Most millenials like myself would consider this a very desirable area to live in, which is why Atlantic House and 22 14th are as large of projects as they are.

[DWNTWN]

Three Alliance Center rising. This one still has about 8 floors left from my quick count,and should be very visible on the Buckhead Skyline.

[DWNTWN]

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[Street Advocate]

Originally Posted by DWNTWN

We just flat out disagree. The current developments and lack of street activity make this area feel isolated, IMO.

[DNR]

This building is a disappointment to me.

It now just looks like a "status Quo" glass box with some defective windows. It reminds me of the Downtown Westin when the Tornado came through except this building will always look like it’s in a perpetual state of repair to those who don’t know.

Glass boxes are inherently minimalistic and cheap looking, let’s not realign a few windows and call it “Exclusive”.
I understand that it was an intentional design but we all know that good intentions don’t always work – now we are stuck with it.

[Atlanta3000]

Originally Posted by DNR

This building is a disappointment to me.

It now just looks like a "status Quo" glass box with some defective windows. It reminds me of the Downtown Westin when the Tornado came through except this building will always look like it’s in a perpetual state of repair to those who don’t know.

Glass boxes are inherently minimalistic and cheap looking, let’s not realign a few windows and call it “Exclusive”.
I understand that it was an intentional design but we all know that good intentions don’t always work – now we are stuck with it.

100% Agree!!! Those windows don't look architectural - they look damaged.

[micropundit]

Miami developer Lionstone Development has been tapped by Virgin Hotels to expand the new concept throughout the US, including possible locations in Metro Atlanta.{ Biznow}learned the news from Lionstone CEO Diego Lowenstein, who developed Virgin's debut hotel in Chicago last year. Diego says its plans in Atlanta are preliminary. The firm has scouted sites, but has yet to firm up a location.
https://www.bisnow.com/atlanta/news/hote...eing-atlanta-entry-for-hotel-chain-61532

[MdtwnATL]

Anyone know what's going to go in the 11th and Crescent corner of 60 11th building? Looks like a very nice space with cool indoor/outdoor space on its second level. I really hope something impressive goes there.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by DWNTWN

He might have been "spot on" if his argument had been as you describe it, sticking to the "west side of arts center station," but that is not what we were discussing. We were discussing 14th Street and further north, between Peachtree and Arts Center, which is a much larger area containing all that I mentioned. I lived there. I am sure some on this board live there now. My wife and I go there all the time at night for dinner, symphony, and Alliance Theater productions. If we are literally going to stick to just west of the station, then it doesn't get more dense in Atlanta than that single block. There is retail at the bottom of each of the towers, just like there will be at AMLI. All of this development is welcome, and then some, but calling this area "dead at night" is not accurate. There are 5-6 million people in this metro, and we must each have a different version of "active" and "dead" when it comes to blocks. 500 residents on one block with multiple restaurants and bars does not sound like a dead area to me, but I must not be expecting as much as others. And since everyone loves NYC so much on this board, I would challenge y'all to visit the financial district at night. It is "dead", even though there are thousands of residents and dozens of open restaurants. Most millenials like myself would consider this a very desirable area to live in, which is why Atlantic House and 22 14th are as large of projects as they are.

I think you're taking some people's oversations a little too personal. Compared to other areas of Midtown (or even places like Inman Park's core), that area of Midtown feels rather dead, especially considering all the residential.

I'm often walking around Midtown and from Ponce to 10th the pedestrian activity is often great, but then you go north of 10th and for whatever reason (lack of residences, lack of everyday amenities, whatever it might be) the activity drops off drastically. That isn't to say things don't pick up during certain events or times (for example, Crescent obviously draws people at night), but overall I'd agree with the other people who feel that this area, currently, lacks the same activity as other parts of Midtown.

Just my observations / experiences.

[simms3_redux]

Who's architect on record for 3AC? Those window elements were a horrible call...we won't get into the actual design, but trying to dress that up using an oddly implemented window feature was an awful idea.

[simms3_redux]

Originally Posted by alco89

Jesus Christ, those prices!

Well the smallest studio is 540 sf (huge) and the smallest 2 BR is 1,152 sf (huge), so prices are coming up, prices per square foot are coming up, but sizes are certainly not coming down! In NYC and SF they are building 2 BRs in new "luxe" and amenitized developments as small as high 700s sf. Studios are usually in the 200-350 sf.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Well the smallest studio is 540 sf (huge) and the smallest 2 BR is 1,152 sf (huge), so prices are coming up, prices per square foot are coming up, but sizes are certainly not coming down! In NYC and SF they are building 2 BRs in new "luxe" and amenitized developments as small as high 700s sf. Studios are usually in the 200-350 sf.

Well, aren't NYC and SF awesome...there is no reason to compare Atlanta sizes or prices to either of those cities where people cram their lives into 200-350 square feet. It's because most people there can't afford more square footage than that, and I hope I don't ever see anything like that situation in Atlanta.

[simms3_redux]

Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

Well, aren't NYC and SF awesome...there is no reason to compare Atlanta sizes or prices to either of those cities where people cram their lives into 200-350 square feet. It's because most people there can't afford more square footage than that, and I hope I don't ever see anything like that situation in Atlanta.

I was saying that as a good thing for Atlanta. People who are used to living in larger apartments don't always know they have a blessing like that when they do.

[Sbgt92]

Originally Posted by simms3_redux

Who's architect on record for 3AC? Those window elements were a horrible call...we won't get into the actual design, but trying to dress that up using an oddly implemented window feature was an awful idea.

Mack Scoggin Merrill Elam I think

[RocketSurgeon]

It's a bit early to write off Three Alliance. There will be more of those windows at the top, so the effect trickles down and the lower floors won't look great on their own. It may not photograph well even when it's complete. I'd see it in person before making up my mind, especially at times of day when they're casting shadows and reflections. I think I'm in the minority here--hell, I'm probably completely on my own--but I think it'll be nice.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

It's a bit early to write off Three Alliance. There will be more of those windows at the top, so the effect trickles down and the lower floors won't look great on their own. It may not photograph well even when it's complete. I'd see it in person before making up my mind, especially at times of day when they're casting shadows and reflections. I think I'm in the minority here--hell, I'm probably completely on my own--but I think it'll be nice.

I try to wait for the finished product before deciding either way...a building can always turn out better or worse than the renderings and can look a little weird/off when it's in progress. I agree with you - I don't hate it at all, but I might when its finished. I will hold my opinion until then.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by RocketSurgeon

It's a bit early to write off Three Alliance. There will be more of those windows at the top, so the effect trickles down and the lower floors won't look great on their own. It may not photograph well even when it's complete. I'd see it in person before making up my mind, especially at times of day when they're casting shadows and reflections. I think I'm in the minority here--hell, I'm probably completely on my own--but I think it'll be nice.

I think it looks cool as hell and looks better every day as it gets closer to finishing.