Confederation Line West LRT Extension (Stage 2) [Tunney's to Baseline/Moodie] | U/C

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Will the Baseline spur only run up to Lincolnfield then turn around?

Baseline will run to downtown (and Blair and/or Trim depending on the time) at all times. It is the Moodie spur that will require a transfer at Lincoln Fields off peak.

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

I really hope between now and opening day they come up with better station names than "Cleary" and "New Orchard".

Hoping for Sherbourne or McKellar Park fir "Cleary" and Ambleside for "New Orchard".

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

Well since I'll be long retired and living in a different part of the country by the time Stage 3 is built it really doesn't matter to me.
In the spring, summer and fall it will be a nice walk from Moodie to Carling. Winter will not be nice at all, especially since they don't want to plow the trails.

My hope is that OC Transpo, or better yet DND, runs regular shuttles to and from Moodie Station all day long once Stage 2 west opens. The Civic Hospital does this for their staff to an off-site parking lot. DND plans on doing this to off-site parking lots. The same should apply to transit.

[Dengler Avenue]

I hope that one transfer doesn’t inconvenience people coming from Kanata big time. I’ve heard traffic’s bad on the 417 even outside traditional rush hours.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I hope that one transfer doesn’t inconvenience people coming from Kanata big time. I’ve heard traffic’s bad on the 417 even outside traditional rush hours.

Kanata residents, and well all west-end residents, currently have to transfer at Tunney's only a few stations from downtown. Stage 2 will be a HUGE improvement no matter what.

I don't expect Kanata residents to use the train off peak. The Moodie-Lincoln Fields stretch, or to be honest, the Bayshore-Lincoln Fields stretch, will mostly be used by residents of the high density areas in that corridor along with patrons of Bayshore and Walmart who don't own a car.

I imagine Moodie Station will be mostly abandoned off-peak.

As for Queensway traffic, in my experience the west end (Bronson-Bayshore) is the absolute worse stretch in the entire city by a long shot, no matter what time. It's tolerable off-peak, but still pretty bad. It's almost Montréal-esque nowadays.

[J.OT13]

I just noticed the title of the thread: Western Corridor LRT Extension Bayview to Baseline/Moodie (Stage 2) | Approved

Why Bayview?

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

I hope that one transfer doesn’t inconvenience people coming from Kanata big time. I’ve heard traffic’s bad on the 417 even outside traditional rush hours.

The 417 has dedicated bus lanes (plus separate HOV lanes) between Eagleson/March Rd and Moodie Drive, so the buses won't be impacted by traffic issues.

Moodie won't have a Park & Ride, so you wouldn't be able to drive there anyway (unless someone is dropping you off, in which case you can probably use the HOV lane anyway).

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Kanata residents, and well all west-end residents, currently have to transfer at Tunney's only a few stations from downtown. Stage 2 will be a HUGE improvement no matter what.

Agreed! Having a more direct route and not needing to run in mixed traffic between Pinecrest and the Transitway will be huge improvements.

I don't expect Kanata residents to use the train off peak. The Moodie-Lincoln Fields stretch, or to be honest, the Bayshore-Lincoln Fields stretch, will mostly be used by residents of the high density areas in that corridor along with patrons of Bayshore and Walmart who don't own a car.

I imagine Moodie Station will be mostly abandoned off-peak.

Those taking Connexion buses directly to Moodie won't be significantly inconvenienced by a transfer at Moodie vs. a transfer somewhere in Kanata. It is those who use local bus service or one of the Park & Rides that will be more significantly inconvenienced (though no more so than today).

As for Queensway traffic, in my experience the west end (Bronson-Bayshore) is the absolute worse stretch in the entire city by a long shot, no matter what time. It's tolerable off-peak, but still pretty bad. It's almost Montréal-esque nowadays.

Agreed, though it is getting bad east of Eagleson/March Rd during peak periods, though, as I said, it doesn't affect those using transit (though the congestion between Bronson and Bayshore does).

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Hoping for Sherbourne or McKellar Park fir "Cleary" and Ambleside for "New Orchard".

I don't have an issue with New Orchard (since it is the name of a nearby Park and the New Orchard Lodge.

But I agree Cleary should be either "Sherbourne" or "McKellar Park" and Dominion should be "Kitchissippi"

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I don't have an issue with New Orchard (since it is the name of a nearby Park and the New Orchard Lodge.

But I agree Cleary should be either "Sherbourne" or "McKellar Park" and Dominion should be "Kitchissippi"

I don't have an issue with "New Orchard" per se, but it isn't the clearest name either. I don't see Ambleside as being any better though and can't think of any great names, so I would just leave it at "New Orchard."

While "Sherbourne" is a bit better than Cleary, "McKellar Park" would by far be the best name, as the station is in the neighbourhood of that name.


MPCA map, McKellar Park Community Association

As for Dominion, I don't share the hate for the name. IMHO "Kitchissippi" is an even worse name as it is only one of five stations in the ward (Bayview, Tunnies Pasture, Westboro, Dominion and Cleary) and certainly not the main or most central one. If we do have to change the name, I would prefer "SJAM Parkway" or "Parkway" for short or maybe even "Macdonald."


Ward 15 - Kitchissippi, City of Ottawa

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by roger1818

As for Dominion, I don't share the hate for the name. IMHO "Kitchissippi" is an even worse name as it is only one of five stations in the ward (Bayview, Tunnies Pasture, Westboro, Dominion and Cleary) and certainly not the main or most central one. If we do have to change the name, I would prefer "SJAM Parkway" or "Parkway" for short or maybe even "Macdonald."


Ward 15 - Kitchissippi, City of Ottawa

Except that Kitchissippi means "Great River" and the station is right beside the river. It's also close to Kitchissippi Lookout.

Dominion Ave. is such a minor street and the name has no real relation to the larger area.

[J.OT13]

Renaming Dominion to Kitchissipi wouldn't be as much for the ward as it would be to honour the Algonquins. Kitchissipi is the Algonquin name for the Ottawa River and since Dominion is the closest station to the river, it would be fitting. It would be the same idea as renaming LeBreton Station to Pimisi, but using a word that is more widely associated to the area.

Naming the station after John A. Macdonald would be counterproductive in that aspect. Not to mention his name is associated to multiple places and roads in the city, including the Macdonald-Cartier Airport, which will have its own station.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

I don't have an issue with New Orchard (since it is the name of a nearby Park and the New Orchard Lodge.

Neither of which mean very much on the city-wide scale.

But I agree Cleary should be either "Sherbourne" or "McKellar Park" and Dominion should be "Kitchissippi"

Dominion siempre!

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Dominion Ave. is such a minor street and the name has no real relation to the larger area.

The old railway junction there was called "Dominion" a bazillion years ago.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Renaming Dominion to Kitchissipi wouldn't be as much for the ward as it would be to honour the Algonquins. Kitchissipi is the Algonquin name for the Ottawa River and since Dominion is the closest station to the river, it would be fitting. It would be the same idea as renaming LeBreton Station to Pimisi, but using a word that is more widely associated to the area.

While it might be the closest as the crow flies, the parkway is in the way and the closest access point is via Westboro Beach (650m away). Bayview Station (also named after a minor street with no relation to the area) is actually a shorter walk to the river (450m). Maybe Bayview should be renamed Kitchissipi instead.

Now if we were to rename Westboro Beach to Kitchissipi Beach and then rename the station "Kitchissipi Beach," that I would support.

Naming the station after John A. Macdonald would be counterproductive in that aspect. Not to mention his name is associated to multiple places and roads in the city, including the Macdonald-Cartier Airport, which will have its own station.

I am not suggesting it be named after John A. Macdonald the person, but after the parkway that the station is directly adjacent to. You have to admit that it is a significant road, very relevant to the area, and a significant recreational destination. That is why my first suggestion was "SJAM Parkway," using the initials, not the name.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I am not suggesting it be named after John A. Macdonald the person, but after the parkway that the station is directly adjacent to. You have to admit that it is a significant road, very relevant to the area, and a significant recreational destination. That is why my first suggestion was "SJAM Parkway," using the initials, not the name.

If it were a pedestrian or transit-served street, then it might make sense, but since no one will be transferring to/from LRT to/from another mode of transportation on SJAM, Dominion (or maybe Kitchisippi) would be a better place-oriented name for that station.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

If it were a pedestrian or transit-served street, then it might make sense, but since no one will be transferring to/from LRT to/from another mode of transportation on SJAM, Dominion (or maybe Kitchisippi) would be a better place-oriented name for that station.

I tend to agree, I was just trying to provide a better alternative for those who don't like the name Dominion. Given that the vast majority of those using the station will be local residents, Dominion Street will mean something to them. Who cares if it doesn't mean anything to someone who won't be using the station. Kitchisippi won't mean anything to most people either.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by roger1818

While it might be the closest as the crow flies, the parkway is in the way and the closest access point is via Westboro Beach (650m away). Bayview Station (also named after a minor street with no relation to the area) is actually a shorter walk to the river (450m). Maybe Bayview should be renamed Kitchissipi instead.

Now if we were to rename Westboro Beach to Kitchissipi Beach and then rename the station "Kitchissipi Beach," that I would support.

Westboro Beach, as officially signed from the parkway, is in fact ‘Kitchissippi Lookout’

[Hybrid247]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

I'm still wondering about how the LRT route between Cleary and New Orchard is shown on GeoOttawa. Normally they seem to be fairly accurate on indicating where the tracks are laid right down to the switch placement, but they are still shown far apart here, as wide as a centre platform apart between the entire length from Sherbourne to Woodland.

GeoOttawa is inaccurate for that section of track geometry. The tracks will only widen at New Orchard and Cleary for the cenre platforms. The rest will be built closer together for the rest of the byron ave section.

Also, GeoOttawa is inaccurate for Lincoln Fields. The platform configuration has changed from 2 centre platforms to 1 centre and 1 side. Can't provide too detailed info due to NDA, but don't count too much on GeoOttawa and preliminary conceptual designs for accurate configurations/designs. A few things have changed.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

GeoOttawa is inaccurate for that section of track geometry. The tracks will only widen at New Orchard and Cleary for the cenre platforms. The rest will be built closer together for the rest of the byron ave section.

Also, GeoOttawa is inaccurate for Lincoln Fields. The platform configuration has changed from 2 centre platforms to 1 centre and 1 side. Can't provide too detailed info due to NDA, but don't count too much on GeoOttawa and preliminary conceptual designs for accurate configurations/designs. A few things have changed.

Changes to the Byron Strip tunnel seem reasonable. It might slow down the trains somewhat but might help with the landscaping overhead. Side platforms would have been best to balance the needs of landscaping and operations however, capital cost will always be a factor.

The reconfiguration of Lincoln Fields, if it is what I'm imagining, will be absolutely horrific from a user perspective. With the old configuration (track-platform-track-platform-track), off peak operations would have seen Moodie trains terminate along the centre track, leaving passengers the option of either centre platform in order to transfer directly to the Downtown train or Algonquin train. This new configuration (platform-track-track-platform-track), I assume, will only give the downtown option, forcing anyone headed to Algonquin to go up to street level in order to go back down to the Algonquin bound side platform.

This is similar, but not quite as bad, as the Bayview value-engineering which left us with a horrible layout limiting all and any expansion option.

[OCCheetos]

Originally Posted by Hybrid247

GeoOttawa is inaccurate for that section of track geometry. The tracks will only widen at New Orchard and Cleary for the cenre platforms. The rest will be built closer together for the rest of the byron ave section.

Also, GeoOttawa is inaccurate for Lincoln Fields. The platform configuration has changed from 2 centre platforms to 1 centre and 1 side. Can't provide too detailed info due to NDA, but don't count too much on GeoOttawa and preliminary conceptual designs for accurate configurations/designs. A few things have changed.

I can't say I'm terribly surprised. There was plenty of word that South Keys might be getting changes too.

Hopefully geoOttawa gets updated soon.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I tend to agree, I was just trying to provide a better alternative for those who don't like the name Dominion. Given that the vast majority of those using the station will be local residents, Dominion Street will mean something to them. Who cares if it doesn't mean anything to someone who won't be using the station. Kitchisippi won't mean anything to most people either.

The traffic in and out of Dominionsippi station is probably going to be a mix of residents, people bound to/from some of the shops and offices close by on Richmond Road, and even more and more taking advantage of river-oriented recreational opportunities as we finally wake up to the fact that we have a riverfront.

Just don't tell anyone about Westboro Beach; no one goes there any more, it's too crowded.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by Kitchissippi

Westboro Beach, as officially signed from the parkway, is in fact ‘Kitchissippi Lookout’

Kitchissippi Lookout is Kitchissippi Lookout; the beach is the beach.