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Old Posted Dec 10, 2010, 7:04 AM
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I felt like phoning in countering when he was saying basically "Now that we have a 4pad we shouldn't build a stadium right now."
That is comparing apples to oranges, a stadium can get much more private money than a 4pad and also appeals to more people when it can have a capacity for 20-30k. Halifax needs this stuff to appeal to more people.
Yeah... for the cost of the 4-pad... its not even in the same ballpark in terms of advertising revenue generation and mulitple usage.

How could a stadium not be pre-funded by future advertising rights if its only about the same cost of something that HRM payed for completely due to the feds backing out.

Is a $10 million dollar naming right sound reasonable for a stadium that will be constantly in the municipal, provincial, national media?

Irving Stadium? They really should give back a little.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2010, 2:22 PM
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Naw, SE has the most NIMBY power.

(See post 111, page 6 of the St. Josephs thread... I asked the question I wonder if the NE NIMBYs have as much clout... If we see St Josephs built, we might know the answer)
I don't doubt that SE has many NIMBYs... but from what I have seen lately the NE ones have clout too.

The St Joseph's development will get built I am sure, but they recently announced that they are bowing to pressure and have dropped it to 7 floors (I think... my memory is bad) because the neighbours felt it was out of scale.

The Spirit development on Windsor is now also under major pressure to be shrunk as well, based upon this same argument that it is "too big and tall" for the area.

EDIT: Correction... according to AllNS the proposal for St. Josephs has gone from 14 stories in the original proposal to 8 stories (plus a "1/2" floor... so really 9) in response to feedback received from the community.

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2010, 6:19 PM
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I'm not surprised about Tim - he'll rant on anything, so just let it go. I never consider him to be a true person of 'knowledge'.

The more I think about a stadium - the more I'm fine with any location really (although some more than others). Where I'm beginning to struggle again is the cost and the fact HRM is in a financially bad place. I'm finding myself unsure of whether taking on the additional debt to build this would be appropriate?

I've looked at the pro's and con's that I could think of - low interest rates, potential benefits to tourism - things like that and I'm still coming up unsure. I guess for me - I see this as a want and not a need. So if this was put on the back burner for a year to get HRM's finances better settled - I wouldn't be uncomfortable. Yet; I become concerned that Moncton may use that to their advantage.

Just not sure on this...which is weird because I'm usually all for development.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2010, 6:38 PM
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For me this comes down to a question of who foots the bill. If the entire $40M (let's say) comes from the city taxes... then this might not be feasible economically at this time. If however there is a leveraging opportunity and the Federal government kicks in $10M-15M, and you can get a private sponsor (through naming rights etc) to kick in another $5M, then getting a stadium for $20M is probably something that the city should jump on.

My frustration with the process is that (much like people like Fenwick have been asking for all along) is there there really needs (needed?) to be public discourse on this all along.

Right now you have people saying that there is not the time to do proper discussion and disclosure of costs/revenues, which to be honest is a fair comment. What it really means though is that rather than sitting around twiddling thumbs hoping for something to come along and then jump on it at the last minute, there should have been a publicly discussed plans on the generalities of this that could then be applied when a funding opportunity arose.

For example, Events Nova Scotia could have over the last year been talking publicly about what sort of scale and costs and business plan would be, and then stating that they are actively looking for opportunities to link this with. That would have had the simultaneous benefit of building excitement and momentum while also allowing the public to feel like they have a stake in it, that this has been thought out carefully and not rushed etc. I know that one of the big reasons why this was not done was because of the negatives surrounding the failed CWG bid, but still!
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2010, 6:51 PM
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The more I think about a stadium - the more I'm fine with any location really (although some more than others). Where I'm beginning to struggle again is the cost and the fact HRM is in a financially bad place. I'm finding myself unsure of whether taking on the additional debt to build this would be appropriate?

I've looked at the pro's and con's that I could think of - low interest rates, potential benefits to tourism - things like that and I'm still coming up unsure. I guess for me - I see this as a want and not a need. So if this was put on the back burner for a year to get HRM's finances better settled - I wouldn't be uncomfortable. Yet; I become concerned that Moncton may use that to their advantage.

Just not sure on this...which is weird because I'm usually all for development.
Halifax is doing all it can to keep its property tax at a relatively low rate (it is actually at the low end of the scale compared to average dwellings in other cities throughout Canada). So it isn't really accurate to state that Halifax is in a "financially bad place". It is in a tight spot because it is trying to keep property tax at a relatively low rate (which is a good goal). However, it isn't as if Halifax is on the verge of a major economic disaster. The city is being financially responsible, it isn't in a bad economic state. In fact, this year the city appears to be heading for a top year in terms of building permits which will lead to increased tax revenue down the road.

Putting the stadium on the back burner for a year means that the city will miss out on another major event (the deadline for FIFA is early in the new year). So putting it on the back burner for a year could mean putting it on the back burner for another 10 - 15 years (major events don't come by that often) nor does federal funding.

This is an opportunity for the city to study the need for a stadium, consider stadium designs and stadium locations. It could set up a building fund and start raising private money for a stadium. There might be sensible choices that it can make in the near future instead of perpetually putting it on the back burner. It could have put the new library on the back burner but it didn't, and you can see the interest that it is creating. A stadium proposal would create a lot of excitement in the Halifax area (we just have to ignore the naysayers who bring everyone down whenever some exciting idea comes along). It is best to think about an economical stadium that Halifax can afford, instead of no stadium (in my opinion)

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Old Posted Dec 10, 2010, 8:33 PM
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After reading this article on CBC - I stand corrected in my position.
Let's get this moving.

CFL, Moncton work on deal for more games
Last Updated: Friday, December 10, 2010 | 9:56 AM
Moncton, N.B., fans packed the stadium for September's CFL game, a few of them showing off the flag of the Atlantic Schooners, who almost made the league in the 1980s. (Andrew Vaughan/Canadian Press)

The Canadian Football League and Moncton are still trying to finalize a deal that would bring another regular-season game to the New Brunswick city.

Last year, the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency approved a financial package to quickly bring the CFL game to Moncton.

This year ACOA, the provincial government, the CFL and the city are still in negotiations but are working under a looming deadline. The league's schedule is released in February.

Ian Fowler, the city's negotiator, admits the various negotiators are working under a tight schedule to finalize the deal considering the schedule deadline.

"There's no question time is ticking," Fowler said.

Fowler said he is confident a deal will be reached. The sticking point, he said, surrounds details involved in working out a three- to five-year deal.

Moncton sold out its first regular-season game in September — a matchup between the Toronto Argonauts and the Edmonton Eskimos — in 32 hours.

The game was hosted at the University of Moncton's new stadium, which hosted the IAAF world junior track championships this year. The stadium's seating can be expanded to hold 20,000 for major events.

'Rumours out there'
Roger Collette, the president of Football Canada who lives in Moncton, said fans in the region are eager to see a deal for more football games finalized.

"Everybody is pretty anxious; there's all kinds of rumours out there," Collette said.

However, there is also pressure from groups, such as the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, that are lobbying governments to stop giving funding for football games in Moncton.

The federal and provincial governments invested $1.5 million in the CFL event.

There is also pressure from other cities hoping to land a game.

Liberal MLA Chris Collins responded cautiously to a question about Halifax also lobbying for a game.

"I know that there are competing markets that are looking at also having a CFL game in their markets, but I'm confident that we have the right venue," Collins said.

Moncton has also lured the Uteck Bowl from Halifax for the next several years.

The University of Moncton confirmed in September the Uteck Bowl will be played at the school's stadium in 2011, 2013 and 2015.

The national university football semifinal game has been played in Halifax almost uninterrupted for more than 30 years.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2010, 1:44 PM
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I just had a thought about this whole Moncton versus Halifax idea for a potential CFL team. I know some of you won't like the idea, but for argument's sake, I'll throw it out there. If a team were to marketed as an "Atlantic" team, would there not be potential to have some combination of games being played in Moncton, and some in Halifax? I am sure from a Stadium operation point of view, you would want as many games as possible played in your venue, but I am thinking as well that if this is done, you might also develop a larger fan base and therefore more people from both nb & ns who would be willing to travel to both venues for games. This would make for more regular and larger attendance numbers over fewer games in each location, which still could be an attractive option.

Like I said, this is not necessarily what I would want to do - just putting forth as an idea...
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2010, 2:11 PM
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I have looked at literally hundreds of small to medium-sized, and even large stadiums on the internet over the past year. Most permanent stadiums are built either entirely or mostly out of concrete. It has many benefits as compared to steel; concrete is low cost, has natural fire retardant properties, can be formed into almost any shape, has low maintenance, and has been used for stadium construction since the Roman Empire days. There are experienced precast manufacturers and cast-in-place contractors in the Maritime provinces and also throughout North America (so there will be many sources for precast items such as the seating risers). Concrete construction is extremely sturdy with good rigidity and high mass, which will mean that the resonance frequency will probably not be reached when thousands of fans start stumping in unison (this has been a problem with some steel frame stadiums that can start to bounce around once the fans hit a certain frequency of stumping).

A good way to minimize the complexity and cost is to design a basic section of the stadium that can be repeated several times to build the complete stadium. For example, design the stadium to have a 50 foot wide repeating unit with the minimum number of different custom components - I like to think in terms of the Montreal AutoStade versus the Montreal Olympic Stadium. Some of the stadium units could be slightly modified to suit certain specific requirements such as media box facilities. Another big advantage of such a segmented design is that it gives more flexibility to stay within budget. Once the detailed design has been finalized, if it is found that the cost will be significantly over the budgeted amount then the number of 50 foot wide stadium sections can be reduced. If initially it was thought that 16 sections could be built for $40 million, but then if the detailed cost estimate indicates that it will cost over $50 million, then the number of stadium sections could be reduced to perhaps 12 sections instead of 16.

I drew a 3D design in SketchUp of a 50 foot section. It has good sight lines, is compact and has relatively low complexity. The bottom tier is split, being partly below grade level and partly raised - people would enter the stadium near the middle of this lower level of seats. There would also be stairs throughout this ground floor level leading to the second floor level which would have individual stairs to each upper tier section. I have inserted an image of a 50 foot section below.

I imagine a stadium that would be almost entirely concrete (some metal will be embedded within the cement as rebar reinforcement). The stadium rakers, and seating risers would almost certainly have to be precast, whereas the stadium support columns, beams and flooring could be either precast or poured in place. There are some examples of concrete cantilever roofs - RFK Stadium in Washington, DC, Florence Franchi Stadium, Montreal Olympic Stadium and a few others. However, such a roof might be costly so maybe something like the metal supported roof of the Gamla Ullevi Stadium in Sweden would look good (that stadium was built at a modest price - I inserted some images at the end of this post).

I pasted 16 segments (1340 seats per segment) of the stadium unit to produce the stadium layout shown near the end of this post. This would seat about 21,440. If 2 segments were removed then it would seat about 18,760 (14 segments). I have not drawn in the roof covering.

(Say there is a repeating unit such as this (I posted a 3D view and side view). The rock represents the ground under the stadium)


This 50 foot wide unit could be repeated several times to form many possible stadium configurations such as the one below:



If eventually the field were completely surrounded by stadium segments and the gaps filled in then it would look a bit like the Stanford Stadium below. Except it would be lower along the sidelines and seat about 40,000 instead of 50,000 for Stanford. It would be a very compact stadium.
(source: http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2005/julaug/farm/sports/stadium.html )


Here are a couple of pictures showing the roof of the Gamla Ullevi Stadium in Sweden which was built at a modest price. Source: http://www.gais.se/Fotboll/gais.nsf/Permanent/$First?Open)


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I just had a thought about this whole Moncton versus Halifax idea for a potential CFL team. I know some of you won't like the idea, but for argument's sake, I'll throw it out there. If a team were to marketed as an "Atlantic" team, would there not be potential to have some combination of games being played in Moncton, and some in Halifax? I am sure from a Stadium operation point of view, you would want as many games as possible played in your venue, but I am thinking as well that if this is done, you might also develop a larger fan base and therefore more people from both nb & ns who would be willing to travel to both venues for games. This would make for more regular and larger attendance numbers over fewer games in each location, which still could be an attractive option.

Like I said, this is not necessarily what I would want to do - just putting forth as an idea...
In order to host CFL games in both Moncton and Halifax, you would need a CFL caliber stadium in both cities. Currently we are having enough of a problem getting a proper stadium in just one city. If by the grace of God we ever get a stadium built in Halifax, I can see a pre-season game being held at Moncton or maybe even a regular season game once a year like the Touchdown Atlantic game. However, if Moncton gets the CFL franchise, I don't see a decent stadium ever getting built in Halifax (what would be the point?). Maybe if we properly fixed up St. Mary's stadium we might get a pre-season game, but that would be about it.
     
     
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It could work if was on a 3:1 where Moncton would only have to break out the temp seating every 3 weeks. It could germinate the seeds, of a second regional team in 10 years.
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I suggested somrthing like that a while back on the CFL site. A team could play 7 regular season games in Halifax, and 2 regular season games in Moncton in their stadium as it was set up for Touchdown Atlantic.
The Green Bay Packers played 2 regular season games in Milwaukee for a long time.
The only potential problems that I see are overcoming the animosity that has built up between Halifax and Moncton in recent years, and the fact that a new stadium in Halifax which already would not likely be hosting many major events hosting 2 less.
I would still name the team either Halifax ???'s or Nova Scotia ???'s.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2010, 5:23 PM
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Renderings to come from Events Nova Scotia

I just spoke to Grant MacDonald at Events Nova Scotia. Grant MacDonald was kind enough to explain the next few steps in the process of landing the FIFA Women's Cup. Renderings of a possible stadium venue are currently available at Events Nova Scotia and will be released within a week to 10 days once the Halifax bid is submitted by the deadline of December 24, 2010 (I am not sure which firm drew the renderings). The renderings will be posted on the Events Nova Scotia website at that time. These will be tentative, conceptual renderings, and a site hasn't been selected, however it will be exciting to see what is being considered.

Events Nova Scotia will be handling the details of the FIFA bid while the HRM will be considering the feasibility of various stadium options. Grant MacDonald stated that the physical model that I presented to Councillor Sloane, Councillor Hendsbee and Councillor Blumenthal on January 19, 2010 at City Hall was shown last week at the meeting regarding the FIFA bid. Thank you to these councillors and the other councillors who support the idea of a stadium for Halifax, whatever design is chosen (my apologies to Councillor Sloane for my impatience since I thought that the idea of having a stadium in the HRM had been forgotten). The model was done in a rush but I think Ho Tan Nguyen did a great job building it from a 3D computer model that I drew back in January 2010.

Grant MacDonald felt that the HRM will consult with the public in the new year to get ideas regarding a stadium concept (and hopefully possible locations).

Thanks again to Grant MacDonald for taking the time to speak to me regarding the progress of the FIFA bid.

PS: As a clarification, the Events Nova Scotia renderings won't be based on my model - they had someone do proper renderings.

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fantastic, looking forward to see what comes out of this
     
     
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This is great news! Starting to get a little pumped up with regards to the possibilities concerning a stadium in HRM. I look forward to seeing these stadium renderings.
     
     
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I suggested somrthing like that a while back on the CFL site. A team could play 7 regular season games in Halifax, and 2 regular season games in Moncton in their stadium as it was set up for Touchdown Atlantic.
The Green Bay Packers played 2 regular season games in Milwaukee for a long time.
The only potential problems that I see are overcoming the animosity that has built up between Halifax and Moncton in recent years, and the fact that a new stadium in Halifax which already would not likely be hosting many major events hosting 2 less.
I would still name the team either Halifax ???'s or Nova Scotia ???'s.
Just call them the "Atlantic Whatever's"
     
     
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I'm just waiting for the typical opponents to come out of the woodwork once any sort of public cost comes into play.
     
     
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Well considering how much opposition to everything that there is; why not call them the Atlantic Complainers? I'm joking of course.
Let them complain - they will just be lumped into the same group as always...
     
     
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I'm just waiting for the typical opponents to come out of the woodwork once any sort of public cost comes into play.
Already happening on The Coast...
     
     
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Already happening on The Coast...
What a shock that a sports loving publication like the Coast would be the first. It's only considered culturally relevant if they're good at it/like it.
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I have looked at literally hundreds of small to medium-sized, and even large stadiums on the internet over the past year. Most permanent stadiums are built either entirely or mostly out of concrete. It has many benefits as compared to steel; concrete is low cost, has natural fire retardant properties, can be formed into almost any shape, has low maintenance, and has been used for stadium construction since the Roman Empire days. There are experienced precast manufacturers and cast-in-place contractors in the Maritime provinces and also throughout North America (so there will be many sources for precast items such as the seating risers). Concrete construction is extremely sturdy with good rigidity and high mass, which will mean that the resonance frequency will probably not be reached when thousands of fans start stumping in unison (this has been a problem with some steel frame stadiums that can start to bounce around once the fans hit a certain frequency of stumping).

A good way to minimize the complexity and cost is to design a basic section of the stadium that can be repeated several times to build the complete stadium. For example, design the stadium to have a 50 foot wide repeating unit with the minimum number of different custom components - I like to think in terms of the Montreal AutoStade versus the Montreal Olympic Stadium. Some of the stadium units could be slightly modified to suit certain specific requirements such as media box facilities. Another big advantage of such a segmented design is that it gives more flexibility to stay within budget. Once the detailed design has been finalized, if it is found that the cost will be significantly over the budgeted amount then the number of 50 foot wide stadium sections can be reduced. If initially it was thought that 16 sections could be built for $40 million, but then if the detailed cost estimate indicates that it will cost over $50 million, then the number of stadium sections could be reduced to perhaps 12 sections instead of 16.

I drew a 3D design in SketchUp of a 50 foot section. It has good sight lines, is compact and has relatively low complexity. The bottom tier is split, being partly below grade level and partly raised - people would enter the stadium near the middle of this lower level of seats. There would also be stairs throughout this ground floor level leading to the second floor level which would have individual stairs to each upper tier section. I have inserted an image of a 50 foot section below.

I imagine a stadium that would be almost entirely concrete (some metal will be embedded within the cement as rebar reinforcement). The stadium rakers, and seating risers would almost certainly have to be precast, whereas the stadium support columns, beams and flooring could be either precast or poured in place. There are some examples of concrete cantilever roofs - RFK Stadium in Washington, DC, Florence Franchi Stadium, Montreal Olympic Stadium and a few others. However, such a roof might be costly so maybe something like the metal supported roof of the Gamla Ullevi Stadium in Sweden would look good (that stadium was built at a modest price - I inserted some images at the end of this post).

I pasted 16 segments (1340 seats per segment) of the stadium unit to produce the stadium layout shown near the end of this post. This would seat about 21,440. If 2 segments were removed then it would seat about 18,760 (14 segments). I have not drawn in the roof covering.

(Say there is a repeating unit such as this (I posted a 3D view and side view). The rock represents the ground under the stadium)



This 50 foot wide unit could be repeated several times to form many possible stadium configurations such as the one below:



If eventually the field were completely surrounded by stadium segments and the gaps filled in then it would look a bit like the Stanford Stadium below. Except it would be lower along the sidelines and seat about 40,000 instead of 50,000 for Stanford. It would be a very compact stadium.
(source: http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2005/julaug/farm/sports/stadium.html )


Here are a couple of pictures showing the roof of the Gamla Ullevi Stadium in Sweden which was built at a modest price. Source: http://www.gais.se/Fotboll/gais.nsf/Permanent/$First?Open)

Awesome work fenwick! I hope you get permanent season tickets when the stadium opens.
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