Winnipeg Construction X

[armorand93]

I'd add to the "retail is dead" bandwagon, but i think my views are already clear, from past posts.

However... I see NOTHING but dead silence on SSP, about replacing the Winnipeg Police with the RCMP. Whats everyones thoughts on it...? Out with WPS, in with the RCMP?

[optimusREIM]

Originally Posted by armorand93

I'd add to the "retail is dead" bandwagon, but i think my views are already clear, from past posts.

However... I see NOTHING but dead silence on SSP, about replacing the Winnipeg Police with the RCMP. Whats everyones thoughts on it...? Out with WPS, in with the RCMP?

Unfeasible. We may end up with a full on revolution if it occurred.

[EspionNoir]

It's likely a good thing if the luxury brands that CoryB mentioned in a previous post, including Channel, LV, Gucci etc. decide to have their stores in the new Portage Place, in my opinion.

First it would effectively wipe out the negative sigma to a large extent, if not all. Second, it will strengthen the idea of downtown exclusivity, something like "if you want to find some of the best things in Winnipeg, you need to go to downtown. This might encourage downtown growth in many ways. It's like marketing stuff.

These stores might not benefit everyone, but they do help.


On an unrelated note, what I hope is that the new Portage Place will start another around of development boom in the Central Park area. Currently it feels like it's staying in the 1980's. But admittedly it's not easy to do.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by armorand93

I'd add to the "retail is dead" bandwagon, but i think my views are already clear, from past posts.

However... I see NOTHING but dead silence on SSP, about replacing the Winnipeg Police with the RCMP. Whats everyones thoughts on it...? Out with WPS, in with the RCMP?

WPS problems date back to the AJI - Harpur - Stinky Steve of the 1980s.

I think to solve the issue though.

1. Give 'em clean water, like what finally happened at Shoal Lake after 100 years too late. Speed up the process of providing potable water to Reserves in Manitoba and eliminate all those "boil water advisories". Not a way to make people live like that.
2. Let natives on reserves own their own home
3. Give natives first dibs at jobs before bringing in foreigners to do jobs like Tim Hortons or McDonalds.
4. Teach natives in the criminal justice system to learn a good work ethic ... Someone else mentioned this on CJOB last week ... set up "work camps" to teach growing crops on the land instead of them learning to be better criminals.
5. Send the criminals back to the First Nations reserve if they were born there and barr them from living in Winnipeg or any nearby RMs in the Winnipeg Metro Region. I don't know what to do with the ones born in Winnipeg.

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by armorand93

I'd add to the "retail is dead" bandwagon, but i think my views are already clear, from past posts.

However... I see NOTHING but dead silence on SSP, about replacing the Winnipeg Police with the RCMP. Whats everyones thoughts on it...? Out with WPS, in with the RCMP?

The RCMP will never become the dominant law enforcement body to police an urban area approaching 1 million people. That is not part of their overall mandate or responsibility.

Get real.

[Ando]

There are some people - e.g. CoryB - who are negative about everything, and every initiative to make improvements. That tells you something and sometimes you just have to consider the source.

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

WPS problems date back to the AJI - Harpur - Stinky Steve of the 1980s.

I think to solve the issue though.

1. Give 'em clean water, like what finally happened at Shoal Lake after 100 years too late. Speed up the process of providing potable water to Reserves in Manitoba and eliminate all those "boil water advisories". Not a way to make people live like that.
2. Let natives on reserves own their own home
3. Give natives first dibs at jobs before bringing in foreigners to do jobs like Tim Hortons or McDonalds.
4. Teach natives in the criminal justice system to learn a good work ethic ... Someone else mentioned this on CJOB last week ... set up "work camps" to teach growing crops on the land instead of them learning to be better criminals.
5. Send the criminals back to the First Nations reserve if they were born there and barr them from living in Winnipeg or any nearby RMs in the Winnipeg Metro Region. I don't know what to do with the ones born in Winnipeg.

I'm unfamiliar with AJI/Stinky Steve/Harbur. Could you elaborate?

Agreed on letting them own their own land, and clean water. Same with jobs priority. And agricultural/trades incentives too.

As for exile... what if the reserves kick them out though? My ancestors got kicked off the reserve for marrying white... without Winnipeg and without support from the band, their options in Manitoba are rather grim. :/

[armorand93]

Originally Posted by Pinus

The RCMP will never become the dominant law enforcement body to police an urban area approaching 1 million people. That is not part of their overall mandate or responsibility.

Get real.

Unless you have a golden plan, to clean up WPS? Because honestly, if the RCMP are doing all of these busts with OPP and others, without virtually any WPS involvement or even knowledge in some cases - is that NOT a massive red flag? And if something does stink... so whats going to happen? Would you rather send in the tanks, and "just watch me" - or, would it be more appropriate to maybe seek an urban police contract with the RCMP? Or a third alternative, such as a provincial police force?

Bowman's pissed. So are alot of Winnipeggers. And then you add on others, like the provincial government, Mounties, etc etc... so tell me Pinus, whats YOUR golden plan, to fix this mess?!

[Pinus]

Originally Posted by armorand93

Unless you have a golden plan, to clean up WPS? Because honestly, if the RCMP are doing all of these busts with OPP and others, without virtually any WPS involvement or even knowledge in some cases - is that NOT a massive red flag? And if something does stink... so whats going to happen? Would you rather send in the tanks, and "just watch me" - or, would it be more appropriate to maybe seek an urban police contract with the RCMP? Or a third alternative, such as a provincial police force?

Bowman's pissed. So are alot of Winnipeggers. And then you add on others, like the provincial government, Mounties, etc etc... so tell me Pinus, whats YOUR golden plan, to fix this mess?!

You asked for responses to your question in a fairly forceful manner. You did not ask for anything else. I gave you an answer that you clearly didn't like. Oh well. I guess another expat turned Calgaian is pissed off at me. How will I ever sleep at night. Oh me oh my.

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by armorand93

I'm unfamiliar with AJI/Stinky Steve/Harbur. Could you elaborate?

Agreed on letting them own their own land, and clean water. Same with jobs priority. And agricultural/trades incentives too.

As for exile... what if the reserves kick them out though? My ancestors got kicked off the reserve for marrying white... without Winnipeg and without support from the band, their options in Manitoba are rather grim. :/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aborig...ustice_Inquiry


Looks like not much information on Wikipedia. Yet 30 years ago it was a constant news item on 24Hours (CBC Manitoba) newscasts.

Page history
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...action=history



The fact that there has not been much written on that page in 14 years says a tonne. Most people of Manitoba have let it go.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

WPS problems date back to the AJI - Harpur - Stinky Steve of the 1980s.

I think to solve the issue though.

1. Give 'em clean water, like what finally happened at Shoal Lake after 100 years too late. Speed up the process of providing potable water to Reserves in Manitoba and eliminate all those "boil water advisories". Not a way to make people live like that.
2. Let natives on reserves own their own home
3. Give natives first dibs at jobs before bringing in foreigners to do jobs like Tim Hortons or McDonalds.
4. Teach natives in the criminal justice system to learn a good work ethic ... Someone else mentioned this on CJOB last week ... set up "work camps" to teach growing crops on the land instead of them learning to be better criminals.
5. Send the criminals back to the First Nations reserve if they were born there and barr them from living in Winnipeg or any nearby RMs in the Winnipeg Metro Region. I don't know what to do with the ones born in Winnipeg.

I would add to this list:

1 build more affordable housing in the city of Winnipeg.
2 move away from referring to people as 'natives' in favor of other terms like aboriginal, or better still, Indigenous

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

I would add to this list:

1 build more affordable housing in the city of Winnipeg.
2 move away from referring to people as 'natives' in favor of other terms like aboriginal, or better still, Indigenous

Affordable housing for everyone. No one deserves to be homeless. No one. Race exempt.

But if a person doesn't respect the space they rent, they should get evicted

[EdwardTH]

Originally Posted by davequanbury

I would add to this list:

1 build more affordable housing in the city of Winnipeg.
2 move away from referring to people as 'natives' in favor of other terms like aboriginal, or better still, Indigenous

The PST was bringing in $300 million per year. Imagine what we could do if we still had that money and a government that was actually willing to use it to help it's own people. You could build 1000 affordable units each year, and put $50 million / year each into addictions treatment, mental health programs, and anti-poverty/homelessness transition programs. We act like the social issues here are some impossible puzzle to figure out when it's really not.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by EspionNoir

On an unrelated note, what I hope is that the new Portage Place will start another around of development boom in the Central Park area. Currently it feels like it's staying in the 1980's. But admittedly it's not easy to do.

The challenge is Portage Place effectively acts as a wall keeping downtown and the Central Park separated, at least mentally for a lot of people. Notice how Central Park comes up as a high crime area and the Ellice side door of Portage Place is viewed as a high crime area but MTS Centre is an okay area? In some ways Portage Place "saved" downtown but the flip side is the divide it created between the neighbourhoods made the problems downtown worse by hiding part of where the problems are.

[kalabaw]

Originally Posted by BigG

I hear you and I feel you, man. I immigrated here as a four-year-old kid over forty-five years ago because my parents wanted the best for them and their kids. It was absolutely the right move. My dad has passed on now but in his final years, he was very proud and happy with what he and his family accomplished in life. All of that was done here - in Winnipeg. Sure the city has its' share of problems, but what major city doesn't? I've seen a lot of this country and other cities in the world. Friends have asked me why don't you move here or there? Why stay in Winnipeg? My answer is always, "Why not in Winnipeg?" I'll tell you if you can't make it in Winnipeg, you'll be hard-pressed to make it anywhere. Some will laugh at what I just stated but that's okay. There have always been Winnipeggers who like to shit on their own city. It doesn't really bother me anymore. The truth is there are a lot of places that are far and away worse than our city. All one needs to do is travel and see other places for themselves. Please don't get me wrong, Winnipeg has its fair share of problems but it also has gems. This is an exciting time for our city. I haven't seen construction and investment like this in my lifetime. That's from the 70s, 80s, 90s 2000s. Just a proud Winnipegger here and that's something no one can ever take away.

So happy to read something like this.

And I totally agree, Winnipeg has its share of of sh!t. I am not denying that. I am also not saying we should all look at things in rose-coloured glasses. But sometimes, we need to celebrate the wins too. And to not start crapp!ng on the city we live in.

[pspeid]

Originally Posted by kalabaw

So happy to read something like this.

And I totally agree, Winnipeg has its share of of sh!t. I am not denying that. I am also not saying we should all look at things in rose-coloured glasses. But sometimes, we need to celebrate the wins too. And to not start crapp!ng on the city we live in.

EXACTLY!

[EspionNoir]

Originally Posted by CoryB

The challenge is Portage Place effectively acts as a wall keeping downtown and the Central Park separated, at least mentally for a lot of people. Notice how Central Park comes up as a high crime area and the Ellice side door of Portage Place is viewed as a high crime area but MTS Centre is an okay area? In some ways Portage Place "saved" downtown but the flip side is the divide it created between the neighbourhoods made the problems downtown worse by hiding part of where the problems are.

I agree. I have a feeling that the new Portage Place will make new Central Park development inevitable... the new PP will be extremely different from it's northern surrounding.

Since it will take 5 years to build, there's probably enough time to make things happen.

[lilwayne]

What's wrong with central park loll?

[OTA in Winnipeg]

Central Park was only recently redeveloped. New water park, brand new regulation soccer field and they refurbished the old water fountain as well.

[EspionNoir]

Originally Posted by lilwayne

What's wrong with central park loll?

Probably nothing wrong. It's a dense and affordable neighborhood. I was just wanting too many new things, in a way.