HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Atlantic Provinces


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1821  
Old Posted Mar 18, 2025, 6:46 PM
MonctonRad's Avatar
MonctonRad MonctonRad is online now
Wildcats Rule!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Moncton NB
Posts: 40,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailor734 View Post
Trump has really upended the race and soured a huge number of Canadians on anything connected to "conservatism"
Herr Drumpf is not a traditional conservative. He is a reactionary populist and a fascist. Unfortunately, his ilk has destroyed the Republican Party in the US, and the same may happen to the conservative party(s) in Canada as well.

Canadians however are not Americans, and are more hostile to fascism. When it rears it's ugly head, they will flock to the opposing party en masse.
__________________
Go 'Cats Go
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1822  
Old Posted Mar 18, 2025, 9:06 PM
sailor734 sailor734 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 2,636
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonctonRad View Post
Herr Drumpf is not a traditional conservative. He is a reactionary populist and a fascist. Unfortunately, his ilk has destroyed the Republican Party in the US, and the same may happen to the conservative party(s) in Canada as well.

Canadians however are not Americans, and are more hostile to fascism. When it rears it's ugly head, they will flock to the opposing party en masse.
I'm in no way claiming Trump is a conservative but you have to admit he appears to have given the Liberals an amazing gift.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1823  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 2:09 PM
J81 J81 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 802
What is it about the last 10 years that convinces people to continue to vote for Trudeau 2.0? Genuinely curious!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1824  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 2:17 PM
Taeolas Taeolas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fredericton
Posts: 4,995
Feels trollish but I'll bite.

The first reason is the fact that we are in Economic Turbulent times (to say the least), and Carney has a track record of being one of the movers guiding the country through economic hard times (2008 recession in Canada, and BREXiT in the UK).

The other big reason is that the Liberals have been presenting a strong, unifying CANADA FIRST message in response to the toxic garbage coming from the south, while their main opponents (the Conservatives) have been giving more lackluster, wishywashy responses that often come across as giving in to the craziness down there.

Those responses are resonating with Canadians, and are probably what will lead to the Liberals coming back into power with this election. (and scaring them away from the Conservatives).
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1825  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 2:24 PM
MonctonPerson MonctonPerson is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 137
Quote:
Originally Posted by J81 View Post
What is it about the last 10 years that convinces people to continue to vote for Trudeau 2.0? Genuinely curious!
Distaste for American fascism and anyone that seems uncomfortable calling it out, or with a history of cozying up to the lunatic fringe.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1826  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 5:27 PM
lirette lirette is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,045
Quote:
Originally Posted by J81 View Post
What is it about the last 10 years that convinces people to continue to vote for Trudeau 2.0? Genuinely curious!
Well, for one I reject the idea that this is Trudeau 2.0. That's oversimplifying things and overlooks the competency of and tone of Carney. Its more or less just using partisan language that comes out of the CPC campaign. Its the type of language that keeps me mostly not wanting to talk about politics as everyone is stuck in their information bubble.

We are at a rough time right now, its scary not knowing what the next 6 months looks like let alone even what does the next month look like (trump wants to go further on tariffs not lighter. I am personally finding it emotionally draining having to hear about what steps Trump takes everyday furthering our former ally into facism. 6 months ago I never had to ask myself what would I do with me and my family if americans invaded Canada. Now I don't go a day without wondering if I should start making that plan.

We need a leader who is willing to work with others, who will put partisanship and ideology aside to forge trade and defense alliances. Carney has correctly prioritized visits to the UK and France as his first duties. For me personally I was relieved to see this

We need big and creative ideas on how to propel the country forward in the next 10 years economically. Pierre Poillevre has done absolutely nothing to show me he is capable of this. Since the announcement of the carbon tax removal he has just doubled down on "carbon tax carney" and has some muddied message about it being a fake out. He has not ever seemed like a serious individual to me. He is a politician built solely to be an attack dog against Trudeau, that worked while Trudeau and the liberals were deeply unpopular but now he needs to pivot and he just cant help himself.

He talked about securing the border in the north but didn't meet with the premier of the territory, unlike Carney. Carney has a calmness and intelligence about him that I would trust in a negotiation. Poilievre on the other hand seems like someone who would either blow up in a negotiation or completely fold given he clearly admires Trumps style of populism.

Are the liberals at fault for much of the issues in this country in relation to housing GDP per capita etc.? Absolutely they have been in power for a long time and they should own a good chunk of that. Is Mark Carney a perfect candidate? Of course not, I've never seen a candidate that didn't have flaws and I don't idolize politicians. But he's competent, has seen and worked through multiple crisis, has all of the right contacts and demeanor to help form new global partnerships.

I understand that perhaps this board is abit more conservative leaning and it might be controversial to say but I value a strong social safety net and I feel it will be more important than ever to have a leader who leans more towards having one than not. I've worked full time for almost 20 years, but this is the first time I've ever worried about losing my job due to something out of my control. We can be a country that has both a strong social safety net and a strong economy if we make better decisions.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1827  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 5:57 PM
Sunnybrae's Avatar
Sunnybrae Sunnybrae is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 726


Totally agree!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1828  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 6:03 PM
MonctonRad's Avatar
MonctonRad MonctonRad is online now
Wildcats Rule!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Moncton NB
Posts: 40,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonctonPerson View Post
Distaste for American fascism and anyone that seems uncomfortable calling it out, or with a history of cozying up to the lunatic fringe.
The only issue in the upcoming federal election is taking a stand against the rise of American fascism, and it's chief spokesperson, Herr Adolf Drumpf. This scourge stops right here, right now.
__________________
Go 'Cats Go
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1829  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 6:25 PM
EnvisionSaintJohn's Avatar
EnvisionSaintJohn EnvisionSaintJohn is online now
New Brunswick, Canada ⛵️
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Location: Canada's first City 🍁🌊
Posts: 3,797
Quote:
Originally Posted by J81 View Post
What is it about the last 10 years that convinces people to continue to vote for Trudeau 2.0? Genuinely curious!
A lot of good reasons already listed here, but first and foremost, I’d hardly call Harper’s Governor of the Bank of Canada— Trudeau 2.0.

Carney is one of the most prominent Keynesian economists in the world today, and is perhaps the most qualified Prime Minister in the history of the country. Macro economic stability should be the primary concern of our government, and I think Carney is the best option we have to helm the ship through these troubled waters.

There’s also added motivation to vote for him and his party knowing that it will upset people like you that are desperately trying to cling onto Justin Trudeau as a political boogeyman past his resignation.
__________________
Peace and Athabasca and Coppermine and Slave, And Yukon and Mackenzie—the highroads of the brave. Saskatchewan, Assiniboine, the Bow and the Qu'Appelle, And many a prairie river whose name is like a spell. They rumor through the twilight at the edge of the unknown, "There's a message waiting for you, and a kingdom all your own. — Bliss Carman
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1830  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 7:28 PM
lirette lirette is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,045
I forgot to mention

The current prime minister has seamlessly and without question applied for his security clearance while the opposition leader still continues to go without his for...reasons???

Please don't come at me about how PP can't get it because it affects how he can talk about certain things during QP or in the media. Its a ridiculous notion and any Canadian should be gravely concerned about it. I cant even imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1831  
Old Posted Mar 19, 2025, 8:02 PM
Taeolas Taeolas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fredericton
Posts: 4,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by lirette View Post
I forgot to mention

The current prime minister has seamlessly and without question applied for his security clearance while the opposition leader still continues to go without his for...reasons???

Please don't come at me about how PP can't get it because it affects how he can talk about certain things during QP or in the media. Its a ridiculous notion and any Canadian should be gravely concerned about it. I cant even imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed.
What Media? He won't even be travelling with the Media as he goes so he doesn't have to worry about immediate reaction interviews for ongoing events or anything like that.

Meanwhile Carney smoothly got his clearance, even with past history of years working for another government in a high profile position. (Granted that likely made things easier for his clearance but normally that would probably make things harder for someone to get national security clearances)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1832  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 1:23 PM
CharlotteCountyLogan CharlotteCountyLogan is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Posts: 218
Word is Prime Minister Carney will visit the Governor General on Sunday and ask her to dissolve Parliament and call an election.
Here we go.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1833  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 3:44 PM
nickstrose nickstrose is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonctonRad View Post
The only issue in the upcoming federal election is taking a stand against the rise of American fascism, and it's chief spokesperson, Herr Adolf Drumpf. This scourge stops right here, right now.
I am sorry, but you are an absolute idiot to think this is anything remotely compared to Nazism. Frankly, it is offensive to the Jewish people to make these comparisons. I believe you can make your points without making outlandish statements. Try to be a better less hateful person, it will do you wonders in life.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1834  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 4:08 PM
Taeolas Taeolas is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fredericton
Posts: 4,995
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickstrose View Post
I am sorry, but you are an absolute idiot to think this is anything remotely compared to Nazism. Frankly, it is offensive to the Jewish people to make these comparisons. I believe you can make your points without making outlandish statements. Try to be a better less hateful person, it will do you wonders in life.
Fascism != Nazism, though calling hte idiot Adolf does link to the Nazis.

On the other hand, with the stories coming from the States, it certainly feels a hell of a lot like a fascist takeover.

* The Executive Branch is trying to silence the media for reporting in general. (the billion dollar lawsuit against CBS for the 60 minutes interview with Harris for example)
* Rounding up immigrants (legal or otherwise) and punting them out of the country with no oversight or judicial checks. Including impounding people with no checks even when they have legit greencards and visas and permits.
* Purging non-male white stories from the records and historical archives and looking to punish the military, government groups and corporations for daring to hire women and people of colour and people with disabilities.

etc...

It's certainly looking like a duck and sounding like a duck and smelling like a duck down there....
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1835  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 4:15 PM
MonctonRad's Avatar
MonctonRad MonctonRad is online now
Wildcats Rule!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Moncton NB
Posts: 40,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickstrose View Post
I am sorry, but you are an absolute idiot to think this is anything remotely compared to Nazism. Frankly, it is offensive to the Jewish people to make these comparisons. I believe you can make your points without making outlandish statements. Try to be a better less hateful person, it will do you wonders in life.
Sorry, but the Republican Party in the US has been taken over by fascists. The evidence is incontrovertible.

As Taeolas points out, Nazism is the same as fascism (although the Nazis were particularly efficient and vicious in promoting their cause). If you think I am being harsh by referring to the current occupant of the White House as "Adolf", I suppose I could soften it up a tad and call him "Benito" instead.

Would that make you feel happier???
__________________
Go 'Cats Go
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1836  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 4:38 PM
EnvisionSaintJohn's Avatar
EnvisionSaintJohn EnvisionSaintJohn is online now
New Brunswick, Canada ⛵️
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Location: Canada's first City 🍁🌊
Posts: 3,797
Quote:
Originally Posted by MonctonRad View Post
Sorry, but the Republican Party in the US has been taken over by fascists. The evidence is incontrovertible.

As Taeolas points out, Nazism is the same as fascism (although the Nazis were particularly efficient and vicious in promoting their cause). If you think I am being harsh by referring to the current occupant of the White House as "Adolf", I suppose I could soften it up a tad and call him "Benito" instead.

Would that make you feel happier???
“El Douche, eh” would work too.

Not all fascists are nazis, but all nazis are fascists.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1837  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 4:47 PM
MonctonRad's Avatar
MonctonRad MonctonRad is online now
Wildcats Rule!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Moncton NB
Posts: 40,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by EnvisionSaintJohn View Post
“El Douche, eh” would work too.

Not all fascists are nazis, but all nazis are fascists.
It's "Il Duce" (the Duke) for Mussolini, but, I kinda like "El Douche" even better for The Donald.
__________________
Go 'Cats Go
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1838  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 4:58 PM
nickstrose nickstrose is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2021
Posts: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeolas View Post
Fascism != Nazism, though calling hte idiot Adolf does link to the Nazis.

On the other hand, with the stories coming from the States, it certainly feels a hell of a lot like a fascist takeover.

* The Executive Branch is trying to silence the media for reporting in general. (the billion dollar lawsuit against CBS for the 60 minutes interview with Harris for example)
* Rounding up immigrants (legal or otherwise) and punting them out of the country with no oversight or judicial checks. Including impounding people with no checks even when they have legit greencards and visas and permits.
* Purging non-male white stories from the records and historical archives and looking to punish the military, government groups and corporations for daring to hire women and people of colour and people with disabilities.

etc...

It's certainly looking like a duck and sounding like a duck and smelling like a duck down there....
**Media- You mean the interview where they deceptively edited the Kamala interview or the media that covered up the Hunter Biden laptop scandal?


**Illegals? They broke the law in the first place and are not American citizens. Or are you sympathizing with MS-13 gangbangers that are finally receiving the justice they deserve? Or are you referring to the surgeon who was on an H1B visa but travelled to a literal terrorist's funeral who often proclaimed to eradicate the Jewish people? Wouldn't want her to operate on me!

** The ONE Jackie Robinson article or the prevention of biological males competing in women's sports? Plus President Trump has amplified plenty of female athletes like Riley Gaines and black athletes like Hershell Walker.

The fascist argument could be well more applied to how Canada reacted during COVID-19 like show me your medical papers, wear a mask and Quarantine.

Applying the fascist argument to Trump is for low-IQ individuals!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1839  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 5:18 PM
MonctonianSentinel01's Avatar
MonctonianSentinel01 MonctonianSentinel01 is offline
I Rise Again
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Moncton
Posts: 596
Quote:
Originally Posted by nickstrose View Post
**Media- You mean the interview where they deceptively edited the Kamala interview or the media that covered up the Hunter Biden laptop scandal?


**Illegals? They broke the law in the first place and are not American citizens. Or are you sympathizing with MS-13 gangbangers that are finally receiving the justice they deserve? Or are you referring to the surgeon who was on an H1B visa but travelled to a literal terrorist's funeral who often proclaimed to eradicate the Jewish people? Wouldn't want her to operate on me!

** The ONE Jackie Robinson article or the prevention of biological males competing in women's sports? Plus President Trump has amplified plenty of female athletes like Riley Gaines and black athletes like Hershell Walker.

The fascist argument could be well more applied to how Canada reacted during COVID-19 like show me your medical papers, wear a mask and Quarantine.

Applying the fascist argument to Trump is for low-IQ individuals!
Not to mention they stand up for racism by DEI hires and now say that they are being punished for hiring based off of skin color and race rather than the best qualified for the job. Where most of the media is liberal, no wonder they spin things against conservatives and wonder why they no longer want to talk to them or have them report misinformation.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1840  
Old Posted Mar 20, 2025, 5:26 PM
sailor734 sailor734 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2023
Posts: 2,636
Reports that Carney will visit the GG and ask her to dissolve parliament on Sunday. Election either April 28 orMay 5
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Atlantic Provinces
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 8:03 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.