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Old Posted Nov 20, 2009, 11:19 PM
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I love how nobody believes me.... oh well it's your loss.
Not trying to start something, but I think you annoyed too many people too quickly with your callings of "wolf! wolf!" and now the townspeople aren't jumping anymore. Also, not really sure how we are losing out if the tower still comes...?
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 1:50 AM
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I'm not saying I dont believe him (it would be an odd thing to just make up) - but it appears we're not getting any more info than there's a company and a tower. So that's that until I hear more.
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Are you trying to give us a hint with that avatar of yours? eh? eh? *nudge nudge*
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I can understand if somebody from the inside can't tell us too much about a "Future Tower" But the day I stop believing Green Bro was the day when he ask us if we wanted to hear an update on the Tower, and then................Nothing after that.
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Apartment plans rile Holladay residents

They don't like the mix of rentals and small shops

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...residents.html

Proposed architectural perspective of the Holladay Village STARTING SPRING 2010

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HOLLADAY — City officials are touting progress on the Village Center project, but many in the community are upset about plans for apartments and a five-story clock tower in the "European village."]

Seven months ago, road construction started on the project at the intersection of 2300 East, Murray-Holladay Road and Holladay Boulevard. The confusing and dangerous five-way intersection is now gone, replaced by new roads and wide sidewalks.

Once complete, the project will include a walking plaza and three-story buildings with small shops below apartments. Condominiums will be built as a buffer between the commercial area and nearby homes...


Workers install a brick crosswalk at the intersection of Murray-Holladay Road and Holladay Boulevard Wednesday. (Chen Wang, Deseret News)

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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 3:45 PM
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Is there any rational basis for their opposition? From the article it seems that they are just opposed to the idea of rental apartments because it will bring "poor people" to their otherwise exclusive neighborhood.
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People always got to get upset over stupid crap. More and more people want a Urban life, but then they don't want a dense development in their neighborhood. I don't understand people sometimes. This looks like a great development that will do nothing but good for the area.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 5:36 PM
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People will be upset over it. Then it will be built and then eventually they will like.

It is the same pattern I have seen around the Country.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 10:52 PM
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I was at the planning commission meeting where they discussed this, and unfortunately I had to leave before the silly comments began, but my dad was there. He said just about everyone opposing had absolutely ridiculous reasons. One man compared it to a "slum," and the rest was pretty much a bunch of applause for whoever could get the most upset. It sounded like a conservative town hall meeting, really. Sure, it would be nice if they were condos, but you can't really build condos on top of commercial space (don't ask me why). They're still pretty expensive apartments anyway (the developer said more expensive than any of their similar projects in Sandy and elsewhere), I don't really care though. I guess I can see why people wouldn't want more apartments in the area, and there's already quite a bit of traffic, but I don't think that's enough to scrap the development in this stage. The alternative is a lot full of weeds.

The mayor's only opponent used this project, as well as the cottonwood mall, as his whole campaign. I don't remember the word he used, but it was something like "high-density," used in a manner as if it were equatable to communism or something. His proposal is a "quaint," single-story, walkable development, but I just don't see any of those going together. I'm certainly not one of the people who thinks Holladay is quaint, or wants it to be. I'm glad the power lines are gone, and that it's much more walkable, but that's it. Frankly, I think you'd just have to tear out all the pavement and have dirt roads, have tiny little run-down houses, dark streets, and horses + buggies to make these clowns happy. A tall building really does make an area feel nicer. Humans just like canyons, that's why pretty much any outdoor mall is a nice place to be, and why any European village is a tourist attraction. One-story developments are for strip malls and rural hick-towns.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2009, 1:47 AM
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Theme's for a development do have an interesting niche within them. What is even better (IMO) would be a development with multiple theme's. For example look at this development:

http://www.rockvilletownsquare.com/

The development was built by the same developer at once, however if you notice the facades are different every so many feet. This gives a true "mixed" feel to the development.

Would a similar development like this be suitable in Holladay?
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What I like about that is that it gives the feeling of a more organic urban environment that developed over time. It features different heights, different finishing materials and different architectural styles. This is the closest thing you will get to recreating a town center all at once rather than over time.

I hope the development in Holladay encompasses a few different heights and finish materials, and hopefully some architectural variety.

I think having multiple stories along Holladay blvd will give it a much more quaint feeling than rebuilding one story buildings. Part of a walkable community or walkable neighborhood is having people near by that will actually walk from their residence rather than drive and then walk around.

Again, those opposed to these type of development are what I have referred to several times in the past, C.A.V.E. people Citizens Against Virtually Everything. (phrase courtesy of Dr. Robert Simons, Cleveland State University College of Urban Affairs)
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Solitude Resort wants to expand into Silver Fork

Environment » Proposal meets resistance from water officials, backcountry skiers

By Mike Gorrell
The Salt Lake Tribune


Solitude Mountain Resort is asking the U.S. Forest Service to let it expand into Silver Fork basin, a proposal that immediately sparked objections from influential Salt Lake City water officials and backcountry skiers.

Resort owner David DeSeelhorst submitted a request last month to amend the Big Cottonwood Canyon resort's special-use permit, contending the move into Silver Fork would allow Solitude to cater better to the future recreational needs of a fast-growing Wasatch Front population.

DeSeelhorst also said it would allow Solitude to compete with local resorts that already have the kind of steep, high-elevation terrain Silver Fork offers.

Acknowledging the importance of protecting water quality, DeSeelhorst said in his nine-page letter that Alpine skiing can be developed without impairing the purity of water coming from the Silver Fork drainage.

Not so certain is Jeff Niermeyer, director of the Salt Lake City Department of Public Utilities, which is responsible for protecting the city's mountain water supplies and has succeeded in turning back other development proposals in the canyons.

"The expansion of a ski resort is an incremental degradation of the watershed and watershed protection," he said, calling Silver Fork a "major" subdrainage of Big Cottonwood Creek, which supplies 24 percent of the city's water.

"If the Forest Service accepts this proposal, we would insist it needs to go under the detailed review of NEPA [National Environmental Policy Act] to understand the impacts," Niermeyer added.

The Forest Service's Salt Lake ranger district is not obligated to accept the application because the existing special-use permit has not expired.

District Ranger Cathy Kahlow said her office is about to review the proposal internally while consulting with other interested parties, such as the city water department.

She expects the agency to respond in January, either rejecting the proposal and explaining why or initiating a process to determine what level of analysis is needed, up to a full-blown environmental impact statement that would take several years.

"It probably would be an EIS because of the sensitivity of that area," Kahlow said.

DeSeelhorst's letter said the proposed expansion was driven by efforts of public utilities officials, the conservation group Save Our Canyons and others to increase designated wilderness areas in the central Wasatch to protect water supplies.

More wilderness would limit Solitude's ability to "respond to customer demands in an evolving and competitive ski industry," he said. "For quite some time we have viewed Silver Fork Canyon ... as capable of providing exceptional lift-served skiing and riding."

But Save Our Canyons executive Carl Fisher said "people have recognized there is a need to protect the municipal watershed. Wilderness is one of the best ways to do that."

Will McCarvill, a Wasatch Mountain Club official who skis and hikes year-round in Silver Fork, is appalled that Solitude "is asking for all of Silver Fork, ridge to ridge. The Meadows chutes and the upper bowl are heavily used by backcountry skiers and snowshoers. ... It's a beautiful place, out of sight and sound of the mechanized world, in winter and summer."

He also is irritated that the ski industry is participating in Envision Utah's meetings to assess the future of the central Wasatch, but at the same time, Alta and Solitude are looking at expansions that would greatly advance interconnections among the four Cottonwood Canyon resorts. Alta is investigating putting a lift up Flagstaff Mountain, off Silver Fork's back side.

"I recognize ski areas are important economically. They provide recreation. But they just want it all," McCarvill said. "The Wasatch Mountain Club has recreated in these mountains for 90 years. I see this as driving us out of the mountains in the winter."

DeSeelhorst said there is nothing insidious in the proposal and that "in our 20 recent years of residential development and ski operation, we have proved we can live well and work well within the watershed. We have been a good steward of that area."

Solitude Resort's proposal
To add 741 acres in Silver Fork basin (including 462 acres of public land) to the resort's existing 1,418 acres

That would provide easy access to a glacial bowl at 9,500 feet, good for intermediates and advanced skiers and boarders, and to the 50 degree-to-60 degree slopes of Meadow Chutes, ideal for experts

Justification: Utah skier visits grew 37 percent in the past decade, Wasatch Front population growth is projected to grow 65 percent in the next 20 years, increasing the need for recreational opportunities in the mountains.




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A showcase for the $10.5 million Racquet Club redo

Parkites invited to open house to learn about the upcoming renovation

http://www.parkrecord.com/ci_13859408

...In the spring, most of the Park Meadows building will be torn down as City Hall starts a major renovation of the public-sector health club.

Park City leaders months ago decided they wanted to renovate the building, but there has been little discussion among regular Parkites since then. Officials on Dec. 2 plan to hold an open house to showcase the blueprints for the redone building, to be called the Park City Recreation Center...



The exterior of the renovated Racquet Club would undergo a significant alteration under City Hall's plan to renovate the aging Park Meadows building. An open house is scheduled Dec. 2 to discuss the upcoming work. Courtesy of Park City Municipal Corp.

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Anybody remember the office building in Holladay they tore down? I never did understand; it wasn't that bad. I think there's a vacant lot there now.
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At this particular location, there was a building with a Video Verns, a paint store, and Pardeners restaurant in the back. At one time there was a dance studio, and a few other stores, but nothing really lasted at the location.
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Herriman focuses on town center

Community development area, or CDA, has been created for infrastructure.


Conceptual renderings of a 400-acre town center project to be built in Herriman include plans for a new city hall, court and performing-arts center as well as a county recreation center and library along with mixed-use development to include 2,000 residential units. (Courtesy of The Sorenson Group)

By Katie Drake
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Herriman has high hopes for its new town center, and the city hopes public funds will help speed development along.

The city has created a community development area, or CDA, around the town center development and is now asking surrounding entities to participate.

The development is booming, with a new Salt Lake County recreation center and library under construction. Silver Crest Elementary, the development's new school, opened to students this fall.

Despite the growth, Mayor Lynn Crane believes the area needs to speed things up to encourage economic development in the area. Plans call for affordable single-and-multiple family housing in the area, as well as a robust business district. The city has also set aside land for a new city hall, though it may take years for that to materialize, Crane said.

CDAs can be very confusing for residents, said Nicole Martin, Herriman's economic development director. While it does not fund the construction of residential units or other private-sector developments, it does provide infrastructure services like water and roads to support them.

A CDA does not increase taxes or take money from the entities receiving tax dollars, Martin added. Instead the money is a portion of the increase that would be seen from development.

Several entities, such as Salt Lake County, South Valley Sewer, South Valley Fire Services and the Jordan School District are weighing the decision whether to join the CDA.



Supporting the measure is a bit of a gamble, said Peggy Jo Kennett, Jordan School Board president. The district would not receive as much tax money as if the area developed on its own, but without the CDA, development might never occur.

For example, if the district does not join the CDA, it would continue to receive $96,000 a year from the property. If it joined the CDA, the district would continue to receive that money, plus 40 percent of whatever tax increases occur over the next 20 years. The other 60 percent would go to developing the town center.

Most entities have responded positively so far, Crane said. He hopes to have a decision made by the end of the year.

The CDA does raise some question of public money being used for private development, said County Councilman Randy Horiuchi, but he believes the project passes public muster.

"It has to be a success or that public infrastructure would die," Horiuchi said.

The CDA is not an all-or-nothing situation for the city, Martin said. Entities who want to participate will get a share of generated revenue, those who don't maintain the status quo. Without the CDA, development in the area would certainly not happen as quickly, or according to the city's master plan, Martin said. Instead it would be left to develop on its own, which if the past is any indicator, means not at all.

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Old Posted Nov 29, 2009, 6:28 PM
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In addition to the information delts has provided relative to Herriman Towne Center, the link below is the site plan I found from Sorenson's website:

http://www.thesorensongroup.com/img/...-Plan-half.jpg

Herriman TC's site plan resembles a neo-traditional development. Basically a cross bread between suburbia and urban characteristics in the sense that the streets connect, but have a suburban feel at ground level (i.e. curving streets, parking lots). IMO it is suburbia's excuse of an urban development, but it works well relative to traffic flow and some density. Another characteristic of these types of developments is that commercial and retail areas are segregated from the residential areas. The commercial and retail areas are usually around the peripheral; closer to major arteries that surround the planned development - could be a reason why traffic is a minimal issue.

The neo-traditional concept started in the early 90's and was widely accepted throughout the US through other various projects. Although I am not very thrilled with these types of development, the street network of neo-tradtional developments keep the traffic moving with minimal issues and structures, for the most part, have minimal amounts of setback from the streets.

It always good to read/ hear about local governments having confidence with upcoming developments despite the current economic situation. Now I (and I am sure others) hope to see this project commence soon.
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So many suburbs focusing on a sort of 'town center'. Holladay, Cottonwood, Herriman, Murray (or was it Midvale?), etc. I like the idea as it helps those areas be more self-sustainable and at least have some core, but it's also interesting to note, that despite all these proposals, I really have yet to see anything happen on any of them.
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Looks like the main square in the Back to the Future movies.... But I like it!
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Looks like the main square in the Back to the Future movies.... But I like it!
Well hopefully hoverboards come with this project.
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