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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 3:24 PM
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People from New York (specifically Manhattan) can be quite ignorant about other cities & markets that aren't LA or Miami. They downplayed the Philly market until they were educated upon arrival. Ironic in a way...
This has been the case for as long as I can remember and a lot of NYC folks viewed PA/Philly as hillbilly. I can share many funny stories about this but one that always comes to mind was when a busload of lifelong New Yorkers were in Harrisburg and they said to us, "You talk funny in the south." I said, "This isn't the south." We then had a lighthearted argument where I had to explain that yes we are south of them but you still aren't in THE south.

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Millie a Brooklyn Queen originally from Philly
Complete with that accent that made her sound hillbilly


When you grow up in a smaller place you think that the people in big cities are so much more aware of the world and the bigger picture. But then you find out that so many never left their block and basically grew up in a small town also.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 10:44 PM
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This has been the case for as long as I can remember and a lot of NYC folks viewed PA/Philly as hillbilly. I can share many funny stories about this but one that always comes to mind was when a busload of lifelong New Yorkers were in Harrisburg and they said to us, "You talk funny in the south." I said, "This isn't the south." We then had a lighthearted argument where I had to explain that yes we are south of them but you still aren't in THE south.

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Millie a Brooklyn Queen originally from Philly
Complete with that accent that made her sound hillbilly


When you grow up in a smaller place you think that the people in big cities are so much more aware of the world and the bigger picture. But then you find out that so many never left their block and basically grew up in a small town also.
It’s not that surprising people from richer cities would think Philadelphians are hillbillies. Have you met the people from Philadelphia? We kinda are, whatever the urban equivalent is anyway
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 11:10 PM
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It’s not that surprising people from richer cities would think Philadelphians are hillbillies. Have you met the people from Philadelphia? We kinda are, whatever the urban equivalent is anyway
People in NYC & Northern Jersey think we are southern for sure, however if they visited like most people they will realize this city is great as there's and similar in many ways.

I also disagree with what you're saying because if you go to real rural areas you will see the stark differences.

I think what you're mixing up is being a little more poor in our city then most so the behaviors that happen here correlate with a rural area, other than that we are just like NYC and the like.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 11:12 PM
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Hi everyone, so it's been a long time since I joined this forum and a pretty long time since I even posted something. I joined when I was maybe 15 years old and only had a budding interest in architecture and planning. I'm now in my last year studying planning and geography at Temple and I really really hope to enter Penn's graduate planning program in the fall. Suffice to say, this forum has played a large part in my interest in planning and Philadelphia's development, so big shout out to everyone here (especially summersm.) For the last few months I have been working at the Rail Park, which is probably one of the most exciting parks we have going on in the city right now. As we all now, at the moment only 0.25 miles of the reading viaduct have been developed into parkspace, but we have been conducting a cost estimate x feasibility study on expanding to the full three mile vision in three phases. Here's our brand new website with some preliminary plans on our future phases: https://www.therailpark.org/vision/. Of course as with any nonprofit development, this will take a very long time until the full three miles are seen through, but once completed it will be the main thread connecting the entirety of Lower North Philadelphia together.

Also, I have been living in the Temple neighborhood for the past four years and by the train station for the past two years. For the longest time there has been a large undeveloped grass lot that has become an unofficial park for the neighborhood residents (located on 8th and Berks), but it seems to finally be developed into something. From what I've heard it'll be senior housing for elderly Latino residents. Sad that my favorite picnic spot is gone but I'm excited to see what happens
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 11:17 PM
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People in NYC & Northern Jersey think we are southern for sure, however if they visited like most people they will realize this city is great as there's and similar in many ways.

I also disagree with what you're saying because if you go to real rural areas you will see the stark differences.

I think what you're mixing up is being a little more poor in our city then most so the behaviors that happen here correlate with a rural area, other than that we are just like NYC and the like.
Having lived in New York City for a while, I 2nd this.
Philadelphia (city and region) is not much different from Greater New York, DC, Boston, Chicago, etc. Sure Manhattan outdoes every other city, but the idea of people from Manhattan thinking Philadelphia (city and region) is some third world corner is stupid. And the recent example I shared about KoP shows that it still exists even from people running a global luxury brand, those of whom should know better.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2022, 11:41 PM
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Philly scraps three-lane Washington Avenue safety plan, bowing to pressure

https://www.inquirer.com/transportation/washington-avenue-safety-plan-philadelphia-20220206.html

Apparently what people want doesn't matter...
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2022, 12:49 AM
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Was going to post that same article. Pretty much sums up my feelings:

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“This is a loss for everyone who uses Washington Avenue,” said Dena Driscoll, a South Philadelphia resident, cochair of the 5th Square advocacy group and member of the working group. “We can no longer trust this administration to uphold its own stated principles.”
The city tries to pass the blame on not being inclusive enough when I'm sure they just never wanted to do anything in the first place. I'm sure the families that need to cross Washington Ave to get to Stanton or Chester Arthur appreciate the huge waste of time this all was.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2022, 1:15 AM
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Hi everyone, so it's been a long time since I joined this forum and a pretty long time since I even posted something. I joined when I was maybe 15 years old and only had a budding interest in architecture and planning. I'm now in my last year studying planning and geography at Temple and I really really hope to enter Penn's graduate planning program in the fall. Suffice to say, this forum has played a large part in my interest in planning and Philadelphia's development, so big shout out to everyone here (especially summersm.) For the last few months I have been working at the Rail Park, which is probably one of the most exciting parks we have going on in the city right now. As we all now, at the moment only 0.25 miles of the reading viaduct have been developed into parkspace, but we have been conducting a cost estimate x feasibility study on expanding to the full three mile vision in three phases. Here's our brand new website with some preliminary plans on our future phases: https://www.therailpark.org/vision/. Of course as with any nonprofit development, this will take a very long time until the full three miles are seen through, but once completed it will be the main thread connecting the entirety of Lower North Philadelphia together.

Also, I have been living in the Temple neighborhood for the past four years and by the train station for the past two years. For the longest time there has been a large undeveloped grass lot that has become an unofficial park for the neighborhood residents (located on 8th and Berks), but it seems to finally be developed into something. From what I've heard it'll be senior housing for elderly Latino residents. Sad that my favorite picnic spot is gone but I'm excited to see what happens
Thanks for posting the latest content for the Rail Park. This would be an insanely nice feature for the city. And for today, it's a healthy distraction from the corrupt process we are watching unfold on Washington Avenue. I really can't stand politicians.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2022, 1:29 AM
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Hi everyone, so it's been a long time since I joined this forum and a pretty long time since I even posted something. I joined when I was maybe 15 years old and only had a budding interest in architecture and planning. I'm now in my last year studying planning and geography at Temple and I really really hope to enter Penn's graduate planning program in the fall. Suffice to say, this forum has played a large part in my interest in planning and Philadelphia's development, so big shout out to everyone here (especially summersm.) For the last few months I have been working at the Rail Park, which is probably one of the most exciting parks we have going on in the city right now. As we all now, at the moment only 0.25 miles of the reading viaduct have been developed into parkspace, but we have been conducting a cost estimate x feasibility study on expanding to the full three mile vision in three phases. Here's our brand new website with some preliminary plans on our future phases: https://www.therailpark.org/vision/. Of course as with any nonprofit development, this will take a very long time until the full three miles are seen through, but once completed it will be the main thread connecting the entirety of Lower North Philadelphia together.

Also, I have been living in the Temple neighborhood for the past four years and by the train station for the past two years. For the longest time there has been a large undeveloped grass lot that has become an unofficial park for the neighborhood residents (located on 8th and Berks), but it seems to finally be developed into something. From what I've heard it'll be senior housing for elderly Latino residents. Sad that my favorite picnic spot is gone but I'm excited to see what happens
Thank you for posting! I can’t wait for the day more of the Rail Park gets refurbished. Glad this forum and myself have helped to grow your interests - and hopefully - your future career in urban planning. Best of luck getting in the Penn! They’d be lucky to have you.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2022, 1:49 AM
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Hi everyone, so it's been a long time since I joined this forum and a pretty long time since I even posted something. I joined when I was maybe 15 years old and only had a budding interest in architecture and planning. I'm now in my last year studying planning and geography at Temple and I really really hope to enter Penn's graduate planning program in the fall. Suffice to say, this forum has played a large part in my interest in planning and Philadelphia's development, so big shout out to everyone here (especially summersm.) For the last few months I have been working at the Rail Park, which is probably one of the most exciting parks we have going on in the city right now. As we all now, at the moment only 0.25 miles of the reading viaduct have been developed into parkspace, but we have been conducting a cost estimate x feasibility study on expanding to the full three mile vision in three phases. Here's our brand new website with some preliminary plans on our future phases: https://www.therailpark.org/vision/. Of course as with any nonprofit development, this will take a very long time until the full three miles are seen through, but once completed it will be the main thread connecting the entirety of Lower North Philadelphia together.

Also, I have been living in the Temple neighborhood for the past four years and by the train station for the past two years. For the longest time there has been a large undeveloped grass lot that has become an unofficial park for the neighborhood residents (located on 8th and Berks), but it seems to finally be developed into something. From what I've heard it'll be senior housing for elderly Latino residents. Sad that my favorite picnic spot is gone but I'm excited to see what happens
While I certainly think that the best use of the Cut and the Tunnel is rail transit, if I can't get that, I'd be happy with a trail. And I also can't wait for the rest of the viaduct to be complete.
Good luck at Penn!
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2022, 4:50 AM
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Hi everyone, so it's been a long time since I joined this forum and a pretty long time since I even posted something. I joined when I was maybe 15 years old and only had a budding interest in architecture and planning. I'm now in my last year studying planning and geography at Temple and I really really hope to enter Penn's graduate planning program in the fall. Suffice to say, this forum has played a large part in my interest in planning and Philadelphia's development, so big shout out to everyone here (especially summersm.) For the last few months I have been working at the Rail Park, which is probably one of the most exciting parks we have going on in the city right now. As we all now, at the moment only 0.25 miles of the reading viaduct have been developed into parkspace, but we have been conducting a cost estimate x feasibility study on expanding to the full three mile vision in three phases. Here's our brand new website with some preliminary plans on our future phases: https://www.therailpark.org/vision/. Of course as with any nonprofit development, this will take a very long time until the full three miles are seen through, but once completed it will be the main thread connecting the entirety of Lower North Philadelphia together.

Also, I have been living in the Temple neighborhood for the past four years and by the train station for the past two years. For the longest time there has been a large undeveloped grass lot that has become an unofficial park for the neighborhood residents (located on 8th and Berks), but it seems to finally be developed into something. From what I've heard it'll be senior housing for elderly Latino residents. Sad that my favorite picnic spot is gone but I'm excited to see what happens
Rail park is great and would love to see the next phase come to fruition. Seems like a really exciting job to have so early in your career!

Since you work there though, I can't resist pitching you on something I've brought up here before. The new section of the Viaduct you're looking to work on, is mostly to the north, but there is that small section that heads south before ending at Vine Street just east of 11th. From the end of that section on Vine street, the roof of the convention center is less than 300 yards away, and there is nothing standing in the way of continuing the rail park to that roof. All you have in the way is the northern street level portion of Vine St, the expressway, the southern street level portion of Vine St and then there is a ramp leading up from Vine Street to the Convention Center where the truck bays are located. I could be way off, but it seems pretty possible to continue the rail park right back toward Reading Terminal as it once did. Then, and again, no idea what the Convention Center roof could hold and what would be feasible, but imagine the rail park culminating in a giant park on top of the Convention Center. From the Roof of the Convention Center you could then easily set up access not just from the Viaduct, but from the Convention Center itself, which is already connected to Reading Terminal Market, to Market Street, to Broad St, to Jefferson Station, etc.

I feel like a giant park in the sky like this could be a totally unique attraction and would make the rail park much more accessible to the city at large due to transit connections and of course tourists at the Convention Center or at the National Park a few blocks away.

I'm sure it's a plan that would cost more than the cut and the Tunnel combined, but I also feel like it's a much more exciting plan that would probably be a lot easier to raise money for. Most importantly though, I think it's a plan that would get way more people on the Rail Park than the cut and the Tunnel ever would. And while I agree with those who'd rather use the cut and Tunnel for transit, I do get the appeal of extending the park there and if this extension to the convention center gets more people using the rail park, it would also probably make the cut and the tunnel easier to do in the future.

Just an idea. If anyone likes it, feel free to take all the credit.
     
     
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While I certainly think that the best use of the Cut and the Tunnel is rail transit,
100% this. It's so obvious it hurts (And let's be honest, an underground park sounds like it'd get sketchy and unused fast). I would love this to be a trolley/bus/whatever line connecting Brewerytown to the city, and connecting the Parkway cultural institutions to more people. This is by far my biggest achievable transit dream for the city. I agree the elevated section will make for a nice park of course
     
     
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Was going to post that same article. Pretty much sums up my feelings:

The city tries to pass the blame on not being inclusive enough when I'm sure they just never wanted to do anything in the first place. I'm sure the families that need to cross Washington Ave to get to Stanton or Chester Arthur appreciate the huge waste of time this all was.
Spineless disgraceful leadership, and trying to blame lack of inclusion. Like what does that even mean?!

I sure hope this mess wakes up more voters in Philadelphia...
     
     
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City, facing criticism, says Washington Ave. pivot was a ‘matter of equity’


Sherrod is glad the city eliminated the three-lane option, but worries the remaining options will still bring more cyclists to the road, who she thinks will endanger pedestrians and drivers.

“I don’t want no slippity-sliding biker running in front of me, no matter whether they have a barricade up or not,” she said. “When you get to that corner, if they choose to run in front of you, they gonna do that.”











https://whyy.org/articles/city-facing-criticism-says-washington-ave-pivot-was-a-matter-of-equity/
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^^^I thought that was satire. It’s real. Goodness city leaders are so out of touch.
     
     
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^^^I thought that was satire. It’s real. Goodness city leaders are so out of touch.
The Anti Biking, Walking, Transit mindset in the city is really a killer.

I can't believe this is what controls the city & keeps it this way.
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The Anti Biking, Walking, Transit mindset in the city is really a killer.

I can't believe this is what controls the city & keeps it this way.
It's astounding, really.

Poor communities complain they lack investment and that the services and infrastructure are better in rich (i.e. whiter) communities, then when investment happens, they complain about that as well.

Two examples in particular come to mind: 1. this. 2. the time the residents of North Philly adjacent to Temple turned down/voted against a BID that would have been entirely funded by Temple and used to clean the streets in the neighborhood.

It's actually annoying and confounding to the point that it explains why some people give up after a while. I obviously want equity of investment in our neighborhoods, but if there is a cohort of people who are gonna fight everything under the guise of gentrification (which is laughable in the poorest big city in the country) then you're sorta on your own. I can't want to help you more than you want to help yourself.

We'll take that money up here on Delaware Avenue thank you very much. Our bike/running trail is looking quite spiffy.
     
     
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Also, if Grays Ferry wants Washington Avenue to be a highway then let it be a highway in Grays Ferry. They can get killed at higher proportions than everyone else and let the rich folk between Delaware Avenue and say, 25th Street, be what was planned.

Also, Grays Ferry barely touches Washington Avenue. Grays Ferry is West of 25th Street and Washington Avenue ends one block west of there.

Let them have what they want on that one block.
     
     
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I am shaking my head at that article. What a damn joke... Is Philadelphia unique in this regard of a** backwards, spineless approaches to "improving" the QOL? (among huge cities).
     
     
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Another retail update

Looks like some changes on Walnut per this Metro Commercial plan. https://www.metrocommercial.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Philadelphia-PA-1411-1419-Walnut-St.pdf

Vans re-opening
J Crew moving to Walnut
Madewell relocating on Walnut
Outdoor Voices, Faherty, Joybird coming to Walnut. The first two are clothing stores, last is furniture. All have stores in Soho.
     
     
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