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Old Posted Jun 23, 2022, 11:48 AM
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La CAQ fait volte-face et choisit un nouveau terrain pour le futur hôpital de l’Outaouais
Le campus santé sera construit plus près du centre-ville, dans le secteur de Hull, mais nécessitera l’expropriation de plusieurs commerces et entreprises.

Daniel Leblanc, Radio-Canada
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Aux prises avec une forte grogne locale, le gouvernement de la Coalition avenir Québec (CAQ) a finalement opté pour un nouveau terrain pour le futur hôpital de Gatineau, qui avait fait l’objet d’une promesse électorale en 2018.

Selon les informations obtenues par Radio-Canada, Québec annoncera jeudi matin que le nouveau campus santé de 600 lits de l’Outaouais sera situé en pleine ville, dans un parc industriel le long de la rue d'Edmonton dans le secteur de Hull.

Le terrain est aux abords de l’autoroute 5 et se trouve non loin du Casino du Lac-Leamy. Le Centre hospitalier affilié universitaire (CHAU) de l'Outaouais sera construit dans un quadrilatère où se trouvent un poste de police, des terrains municipaux et plusieurs commerces et entreprises.

Québec avait initialement opté pour un terrain en banlieue nord de Gatineau, le long du boulevard de la Technologie, mais a dû se raviser après avoir essuyé une série de critiques.

Le nouveau terrain nécessitera des expropriations, ce qui était vu comme un désavantage dans le processus d’évaluation des terrains. Toutefois, la Ville de Gatineau se serait engagée à participer activement au processus.

"La Ville a clairement établi sa préférence pour ce site-là", a expliqué une source au sein du gouvernement du Québec. "C’est un terrain qui est assez grand pour construire le campus santé qu’on veut construire, et on sera capable aussi de faire des développements futurs. On construit un hôpital pour 100 ans."

La promesse de construire un nouvel hôpital est populaire en Outaouais, une ancienne forteresse libérale où la CAQ a fait une percée aux élections de 2018 en gagnant trois sièges sur cinq.

L’Outaouais dépend en partie de l’Ontario en matière de soins de santé et se sent souvent en queue de peloton au Québec en matière d’accès aux services médicaux.

Toutefois, une vaste coalition de gens d’affaires, d’élus municipaux et d’activistes locaux ont forcé le gouvernement à retourner à la planche à dessin ce printemps, critiquant le choix initial d’un terrain au nord de la ville avec un piètre accès au transport en commun.

De nombreux acteurs, dont des promoteurs immobiliers, souhaitaient que l’hôpital soit plus près du centre-ville de Gatineau.

La mairesse France Bélisle avait enjoint Québec de revoir ses plans plus tôt cette année. Elle a annoncé mercredi qu’elle allait se rallier au choix final de terrain effectué par le gouvernement.

"À partir du moment où le site est annoncé, la Ville de Gatineau devient un partenaire champion", a-t-elle déclaré.

Le nouveau terrain, situé à l’intérieur d’un quadrilatère délimité par la rue d'Edmonton, le boulevard de la Carrière et la rue Adrien-Robert, est tout près du Rapibus, de deux bretelles d’autoroute, d’un réseau de pistes cyclables et d’un espace vert qui entoure le lac Leamy.

Le choix du nouveau terrain a été fait d’un commun accord avec la Ville de Gatineau et nécessitera l’utilisation de terrains municipaux, de même que l’expropriation de terrains privés le long de la rue d'Edmonton, tout près de l’autoroute 5.

Le périmètre de plus de 300 000 mètres carrés inclut un poste de police de la ville de Gatineau de même que des ateliers municipaux. Il y a des hôtels, des commerces et des restaurants à proximité.

Dans le jargon du gouvernement, ce terrain est connu sous le nom de "site #22".

Selon des sources gouvernementales, Québec a étudié une trentaine d'endroits différents avant d’en arriver au choix final.

"Il n’y a aucun terrain qui est parfait, dans le sens où chacun avait des avantages et chacun avait des contraintes", a affirmé une de nos sources.

Après avoir pris un "pas de côté" ce printemps pour refaire ses devoirs, le gouvernement a concentré son attention sur une demi-douzaine d’emplacements.

Selon nos sources, des tests sur un terrain près du Réno-Dépôt, situé à proximité du nouveau terrain, auraient relevé des niveaux préoccupants de méthane dans le contexte où le terrain servira à un établissement de santé

Des endroits plus au centre-ville ont aussi été écartés. Les terrains autour du Centre Robert-Guertin auraient requis la destruction de l’École secondaire de l'Île, alors que les terrains autour de l’entreprise de matériaux de construction Pilon Ltée incluent un chemin de fer.

Québec avait un penchant pour des terrains autour du Centre Asticou, plus à l’ouest aux abords du parc de la Gatineau, mais la préférence de la Ville pour le terrain #22 a été un facteur déterminant dans le choix final.

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Old Posted Jun 23, 2022, 12:16 PM
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Better. If they can integrate the RapiBus station and build a pedestrian bridge or two to Saint-Joseph, this could be pretty great site. Could help push the conversion of the bus way to rail.
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Too bad, would have been a great time to finally blow up Louis St. Laurent building once and for all, instead of beloved Top Karting!
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Yes, tons of expropriations to come. That's the most surprising thing about this.

Though I do think the project will probably move in phases with the initial one being the main hospital building at the south end of the site.

That won't involve expropriations of private businesses I don't think as the two plots of land are the police station (a glorified strip mall, architecturally) and the Gatineau municipal yard for that part of the city.

I expect the growth of the campus will move progressively northward from there over several years.

So Top Karting may be safe for a while.
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Too bad, would have been a great time to finally blow up Louis St. Laurent building once and for all, instead of beloved Top Karting!
I wish they would have chosen the Louis St-Laurent site instead, but can't complain. RapiBus will provide amazing connectivity with UQO.

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Yes, tons of expropriations to come. That's the most surprising thing about this.

Though I do think the project will probably move in phases with the initial one being the main hospital building at the south end of the site.

That won't involve expropriations of private businesses I don't think as the two plots of land are the police station (a glorified strip mall, architecturally) and the Gatineau municipal yard for that part of the city.

I expect the growth of the campus will move progressively northward from there over several years.

So Top Karting may be safe for a while.
You're probably right. They could expropriate everything and lease the land back to existing businesses for now, or do it as needed.

Choosing this site is a sneaky way of getting the City to pay for part of it (by handing over their land).

Wonder if the Police will build a new building elsewhere or take up a now mostly empty office building downtown, which would require lots of security retrofits.
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Cross-post - new Gatineau Hospital will occupy a roughly rectangular 74 acres, while the larger Civic Hospital will be built on an odd shaped 40 acre plot of land.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle...q-campus-sante

https://reimagineottawa.ca/new-civic...ing%20hospital.
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Just heard on 104.7, rumour mill is saying that the goverment needs more land for the hospital. They are apparently speaking with affected businesses and will be making an announcement "soon".

Is this going to be a one floor hospital? Are they aware of elevators and stairs that let you go to 2nd, 3rd, etc floors?
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Just heard on 104.7, rumour mill is saying that the goverment needs more land for the hospital. They are apparently speaking with affected businesses and will be making an announcement "soon".

Is this going to be a one floor hospital? Are they aware of elevators and stairs that let you go to 2nd, 3rd, etc floors?
Maybe the residents of the apartment building at 295 St. Joseph complained and had a referendum and decided that if they could see the hospital from their shitty apartment, then it can't be built.
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Just heard on 104.7, rumour mill is saying that the goverment needs more land for the hospital. They are apparently speaking with affected businesses and will be making an announcement "soon".

Is this going to be a one floor hospital? Are they aware of elevators and stairs that let you go to 2nd, 3rd, etc floors?
Based on the Ottawa Hospital cost, are they trying to save the $350M plus upkeep on a parking garage, and just make a sea of disconnected surface parking lots?
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Just heard on 104.7, rumour mill is saying that the goverment needs more land for the hospital. They are apparently speaking with affected businesses and will be making an announcement "soon".

Is this going to be a one floor hospital? Are they aware of elevators and stairs that let you go to 2nd, 3rd, etc floors?
They're going to drag this as long as they can. Promise was a new hospital within 5 years, and it took 4 just to find a site, yet they are patting themselves on the back. In 4 years, I swear, all they will have done is demolish the police station and City yards.
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Just heard on 104.7, rumour mill is saying that the goverment needs more land for the hospital. They are apparently speaking with affected businesses and will be making an announcement "soon".

Is this going to be a one floor hospital? Are they aware of elevators and stairs that let you go to 2nd, 3rd, etc floors?
I suspect that their intention was to build a hospital somewhere within the area defined in the above graphic, but not to require the entire area. Now they're just working out exactly how much of that site is needed and floating expropriation proposals to various potentially affected landowners.
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I suspect that their intention was to build a hospital somewhere within the area defined in the above graphic, but not to require the entire area. Now they're just working out exactly how much of that site is needed and floating expropriation proposals to various potentially affected landowners.
I hope you're right.
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Ok, so they're not adding a lot to the expropriation zone just the part north of Adrien-Robert to the train tracks.

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Confirmation and some more info:
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https://www.fm1047.ca/audio/496708/d...-futur-hopital
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With industrial/warehouse space at record low vacancy in the region, I wonder where these businesses will go. The market is incredibly tight, and new spaces are not being built nearly fast enough.
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With industrial/warehouse space at record low vacancy in the region, I wonder where these businesses will go. The market is incredibly tight, and new spaces are not being built nearly fast enough.
Based on the CAQ's progress on this, no doubt we have 10-20 more years to build replacement industrial space.
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Based on the CAQ's progress on this, no doubt we have 10-20 more years to build replacement industrial space.
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My guess is they're going to use some of the other proposed sites for them?
New Police HQ at old Guertin site?
The Reno-Dépot land and at the Hautes-Plaines site for some of the businesses. Not enough but it's a start probably
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Ok, so they're not adding a lot to the expropriation zone just the part north of Adrien-Robert to the train tracks.

Wow. Why? We planning a hospital or the biggest surface parking lot in Canada? This little corner putting us over the edge?
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My guess is they're going to use some of the other proposed sites for them?
New Police HQ at old Guertin site?
The Reno-Dépot land and at the Hautes-Plaines site for some of the businesses. Not enough but it's a start probably
The old Guertin site might house a new police station, but there won't be any industrial there. It will be residential and light commercial.
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The old Guertin site might house a new police station, but there won't be any industrial there. It will be residential and light commercial.
Good place for industrial might be... Haute-Plaines !

Better yet near the airport where buses could shuttle people between the industrial zones and the RapiBus.
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