Highway 1 Fraser Valley Phase 2&3: 216th to Hwy 11 | U/C

[libtard]

Are they making a big deal about the Glover road overpass being replaced because of the new height or what? Like why do they keep some of these vintages of overpasses and not others? Couldn’t they shoe horn and extra lane under the existing glover rd overpass?

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

Are they making a big deal about the Glover road overpass being replaced because of the new height or what? Like why do they keep some of these vintages of overpasses and not others? Couldn’t they shoe horn and extra lane under the existing glover rd overpass?

It's pretty tight under there - they probably could but it would violate modern design standards. The existing bridge is old, it would likely need to be replaced at some point anyway, and replacing it now with a new one able to handle 4 or 5 Highway 1 lanes in each direction is an investment in the future.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

It's pretty tight under there - they probably could but it would violate modern design standards. The existing bridge is old, it would likely need to be replaced at some point anyway, and replacing it now with a new one able to handle 4 or 5 Highway 1 lanes in each direction is an investment in the future.

But they did it with the 192 overpass…

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by libtard

But they did it with the 192 overpass…

True enough. I dunno, I guess there must be some specific issue with the Glover Road overpass that's prompting this. It has a lower clearance than 192nd, but you'd think if that was the only issue then they could solve it more easily simply by excavating more space underneath.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

True enough. I dunno, I guess there must be some specific issue with the Glover Road overpass that's prompting this. It has a lower clearance than 192nd, but you'd think if that was the only issue then they could solve it more easily simply by excavating more space underneath.

It’s just so inconsistent, I don’t get it. They replace some old overpasses and leave others.

[dharper]

I believe the delay to replace the 192 st overpass is completely the fault of Surrey. When BC widened Hwy 1, 10+ years ago, they were in discussions with Surrey about the alignment of the new overpass (192 St or Harvie Rd). And to this day Surrey still hasn't figured out what configuration they want.

[libtard]

Originally Posted by dharper

I believe the delay to replace the 192 st overpass is completely the fault of Surrey. When BC widened Hwy 1, 10+ years ago, they were in discussions with Surrey about the alignment of the new overpass (192 St or Harvie Rd). And to this day Surrey still hasn't figured out what configuration they want.

It’s down to 1 lane alternating traffic now, with 24/7 traffic management crews as well. Hilarious

[flipper316]

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023MOTI0027-000280

[Denscity]

Glover overpass was such a tiny low crossing I'm not too sad its being replaced. It must be the oldest one in the Valley.

[madog222]

Glover Road before pic.


Highway 1 - 216th to 264th Widening by B.C. Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, on Flickr

[madog222]

The Glover Road overpass was demolished over the weekend.

https://www.aldergrovestar.com/news/old-glover-road-overpass-demolished-in-langley/


Image from B.C. Moti

[Axe]

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[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by Axe

Only half is complete.

Could you elaborate please? The linked article says that crews "used overnight lane diversions to demolish one half of the bridge at a time". Did crews not complete the demolition?

[Axe]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

Could you elaborate please? The linked article says that crews "used overnight lane diversions to demolish one half of the bridge at a time". Did crews not complete the demolition?

Sorry I drove though before they had finished. I guess they finished the next night.

[madog222]

BC Moti Project website: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation-projects/fraser-valley-highway1

-Phase 3A 264th Street to Mt Lehman Road construction to start 2024; Phase 3B Mt Lehman to Highway 11.
-3 to 4 Lanes incl HOV + bus on shoulder each direction.
-New interchanges at 264th St and Highway 11, the latter being a diverging diamond.
-Bus loop with park & ride for the FVX at 264 interchange.
-Off highway 4m MUP from 264th to Mt Lehman Road.

Highway 11 to Whatcom Road will be in Phase 4 now including Hwy 1 through the Sumas Prairie (and the awful Vedder Canal Bridge!!!).


Project scope and design concepts: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/transp.../2023-discussion-guide-264-highway11.pdf









Images from BC Moti from the above link.

[abbymk]

Thanks for starting the thread Madog222.

I’m actually pleasantly surprised by the scope of the interchanges and hope they don’t downgrade them as the process proceeds.

I especially love the use of the diverging interchange at Highway 11. I think it should have been used at 200 st as well. Will it be the first one in Canada if built?

I also like the fact that the Mt.Lehman overpass will be upgraded to 5 lanes because right now that has to be the most congested part of Abbotsford and it was only built in 2007.

I count the bus shoulder lane as another lane in my book so I like that it’s basically 4 “lanes” the whole way with 5 lane sections with truck climbing lanes.

All in all I wish it went until Whatcom Road but I’m happy with this and please, please don’t downgrade it.

[madog222]

Originally Posted by abbymk

I especially love the use of the diverging interchange at Highway 11. I think it should have been used at 200 st as well. Will it be the first one in Canada if built?

If built today it would be the fourth, though it will definitely be the first in BC. The others are in Calgary, Regina, and Niagara, ON.
It will be Canada's first diverging diamond with bike lanes.

Originally Posted by abbymk

All in all I wish it went until Whatcom Road but I’m happy with this and please, please don’t downgrade it.

I agree but will trade the increase in scope eastward any day, especially to address the Vedder Canal Bridge (did I mention that yet).

[abbymk]

The only worry I have with not taking it to Whatcom Road is the current Whatcom Interchange is one of the worst designed areas I’ve seen. You have two highway exits and two on ramps with the North Parallel and South Parallel roads also right there. It’s a complete gong show currently.

So my problem is that if phases 3A and 3B are on time, according to things said during the previous election, we’re looking at 2028-2029 until they open. That means the mess that is Whatcom won’t be fixed until the 2030s now and that side of Abbotsford is getting more congested by the year.

I feel they should do the Whatcom interchange with phase 3B and leave the freeway upgrades with phase 4.

[Klazu]

Wow, this news made my day and the fact that widening up to Chilliwack is ultimately in the cards, is great news. This is so badly needed already today, it isn't even funny.

It is hard to tell from the website, but the plan is to basically have only 3+3 lanes past 200 Street and not to continue the 4+4 configuration? Am I also reading correctly that there is some "bus lane on the shoulder" type of crap past Mt Lehman, so no proper six lanes?

Out of curiosity, the median on Highway 1 must have been built with space for 4+4 in mind, if not even ultimate 5+5 lanes, am I correct? BC was so forward-looking back in the 70s...

I hope these phases keep happening fast!

[idunno]

This is a really exciting shift in MoTI's toolkit. Diverging-diamond interchanges? Check. Additional flyovers to reduce left turns from overpasses? Check. Strategically planned multi-use paths, parallel to the highway for many kilometres? Check! Bus on shoulder lanes to prepare for future improvements to transit service? Check.

It's also worth mentioning that they are revisiting/improving overpass designs from only 10-15 years ago. Great stuff!