71 Rebecca St | 97 m | 30 fl | Proposed - Page 9

King&James · #**161** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 6:50 PM**

Kaneff ownes 80 John South. Wonder what they have planned.

SteelTown · #**162** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 6:51 PM**

^^ Ah, that makes sense. They probably had to hit a certain number of units before making a profit.

thmx · #**163** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 7:05 PM**

source

lachlanholmes · #**164** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 7:06 PM**

Rezoning approved.

https://twitter.com/WerkHCN/status/1...999617536?s=19

TheRitsman · #**165** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 7:07 PM**

While it does look a bit stumpy, I prefer this design overall. The old 2 or 3 storey podium sets a low precedent, and I would rather a decent height podium, as it makes nearby buildings more comfortably fit.

King&James · #**166** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 9:27 PM**

Happy they received their approval , with that seaof surface parking all around (save the future park), this will be a tough sell into the market.

LRTfan · #**167** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 9:41 PM**

Despite the clear downward quality of the design thx to the city interfering in architectural design with clearly no clue, this will still be a great project. The architect is fantastic and I like this design. But for opponents of the height limit and needless set-backs in the secondary plan, it didn't take long to prove them right - the very first project subject to the plans ends up way worse than the original proposal. Welcome to Hamilton.

One nice tidbit that came up in the meeting is that the property directly N of this one is owned by Kaneff Corp and they are planning a tower project. I think maybe even 2 towers. If that happens anytime soon, you'll have new high density residential with street-front retail from Wilson to Rebecca, with the new park southward to King William. We have the makings of a brand new urban hood. This same type of design pattern can continue west and east of these blocks and really beef up the population and street-front activity downtown.

All in all, a good day at city hall with all urban projects approved.

atnor · #**168** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 9:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by King&James

Kaneff ownes 80 John South. Wonder what they have planned.

Do you mean 80 John St North?

80 John St N is adjacent to this site. I’m pretty sure 80 John St S is a Tim Hortons.

LRTfan · #**169** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 10:42 PM**

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Do you mean 80 John St North?

80 John St N is adjacent to this site. I’m pretty sure 80 John St S is a Tim Hortons.

yes, 80 John N came up today in the meeting. They had a rep make a brief presentation discussing the setbacks from this tower to their proposed tower(s) at 80 John N

SteelTown · #**170** Posted **Sep 4, 2018, 11:55 PM**

.. and the new tower on Rebecca St. will incorporate a #woonerf street for seamless connection to the 1.5 acre park being built across the street next year (where the city parking lot is today)

Jason Thorne
https://twitter.com/JasonThorne_RPP

StEC · #**171** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 10:15 AM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

.. and the new tower on Rebecca St. will incorporate a #woonerf street for seamless connection to the 1.5 acre park being built across the street next year (where the city parking lot is today)

Jason Thorne
https://twitter.com/JasonThorne_RPP

Disappointed in the city reducing the height but I definitely love this part of the development! Still a great looking building reminds me a bit of the beautiful Massey Tower going up in Toronto I just wish it was taller around 40+ floors!

Lets hope all the other parking lots follow suite and finally develop and we fill out our downtown core!

LRTfan · #**172** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 12:53 PM**

looking closely at the new rendering you can see the same wavy pattern in the balconies as the original rendering...this one just isn't as clear or sharp as that first one. I suspect this may be a case where the actual building will turn out better than this new rendering.
Also, I can't help but feel the podium was cut/paste to add the new floors of housing. I wouldn't be surprised if DPAI enhances the podium with the more random wavy pattern found in the tower instead of the cut/paste repeat on every floor.

David Premi said himself at yesterdays meeting that the building will end up better than shown here.
Hamilton is ultra bland and conservative when it comes to design (exhibit A - LED screen axed from this project) so maybe it was an intentional thing to not have a showy rendering at city council?

Chronamut · #**173** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 2:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by SteelTown

.. and the new tower on Rebecca St. will incorporate a #woonerf street for seamless connection to the 1.5 acre park being built across the street next year (where the city parking lot is today)

Jason Thorne
https://twitter.com/JasonThorne_RPP

I really like the imaginativeness of those pillars, so nice to see something other than concrete filled sono tubes..

Also loving the curved glass.. only place I can recall that still existing like this design is down on james st beside the tivoli..

The retail looks very toronto modern, but in a good way

- love the backlit sign letters

This area has been destitute for so long.

SteelTown · #**174** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 2:13 PM**

The image above kinda looks like the base of monorail columns.

Speaking of which, next month I'm going to Las Vegas for an event and I can't wait to try the monorail haha, such a nerd. Sadly service to Las Vegas in Hamilton doesn't start until November

Davis137 · #**175** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 2:13 PM**

Great to see/read that a number of these tower proposals have been approved. It seems as though the height restriction thing with relation to the escarpment is very similar to the planes of view of the Parliament Center Block/Peace Tower (92.2m) here in Ottawa...that there were rules in place for there to be unobstructed views of it from all over the city, and that buildings could not surpass it's height within a certain distance/proximity to it. This is why the downtown core is a table top of 20-30 floor buildings built from nearly lot line to lot line. The developers here have tried to do a work-around, where they build taller buildings in prominent locations (or soon to be ones) further away from the Parliamentary district, such as ones like the Claridge Icon (143m/45 floors) , and the Trinity Station towers (130.1m/32 floors, 192.7/55 floors, 230.9m/65 floors) which have all been approved, and some are already well under construction.

Perhaps Hamilton will end up doing the same, with taller buildings built closer to the waterfront, rather than between Main and the Mountain.

LRTfan · #**176** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 2:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Davis137

Great to see/read that a number of these tower proposals have been approved. It seems as though the height restriction thing with relation to the escarpment is very similar to the planes of view of the Parliament Center Block/Peace Tower (92.2m) here in Ottawa...that there were rules in place for there to be unobstructed views of it from all over the city, and that buildings could not surpass it's height within a certain distance/proximity to it. This is why the downtown core is a table top of 20-30 floor buildings built from nearly lot line to lot line. The developers here have tried to do a work-around, where they build taller buildings in prominent locations (or soon to be ones) further away from the Parliamentary district, such as ones like the Claridge Icon (143m/45 floors) , and the Trinity Station towers (130.1m/32 floors, 192.7/55 floors, 230.9m/65 floors) which have all been approved, and some are already well under construction.

Perhaps Hamilton will end up doing the same, with taller buildings built closer to the waterfront, rather than between Main and the Mountain.

well, our Downtown Secondary Plan is currently under appeal, and the height limit specifically is under several appeals.
On top of that, Brad Lamb has taken the city to the OMB for TV City - if he wins, he will be able to build the new tallest in Hamilton, higher than the escarpment.

Personally I'd be fine with Hamilton deciding that the escarpment height limit matters south of Hunter or Forest Ave downtown. North of there it's irrelevant and already surpassed by a couple buildings.

King&James · #**177** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 7:40 PM**

^^^^ where is the secondary plan being appealed (under which body is it governed). What is the countdown clock set to the OMB hearing for TV City (T minus.... Days)

lachlanholmes · #**178** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 7:50 PM**

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^^^^ where is the secondary plan being appealed (under which body is it governed). What is the countdown clock set to the OMB hearing for TV City (T minus.... Days)

DTSP is under LPAT rules. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL180548 TV City is under OMB rules, starting October 26th. http://www.omb.gov.on.ca/ecs/CaseDetail.aspx?n=PL180255

Crapht · #**179** Posted **Sep 5, 2018, 11:31 PM**

Personally I'd be fine with Hamilton deciding that the escarpment height limit matters south of Hunter or Forest Ave downtown. North of there it's irrelevant and already surpassed by a couple buildings.[/QUOTE]

I would agree with this. From Hunter to the escarpment seems more appropriately suited to mid-rise structures. With lower Hamilton being an east/west city it makes sense to grow that way. But we should be very careful not to spoil views that belong to all of us. Our waterfront and Sam Lawrence Park are gifts. The views from The escarpment could be forever destroyed by building 30 storeys below the brow. I know there are alot of people who love those Corktown Plaza and MetroCity developments but it seems to me they are going to destroy the view from the escarpment. That would be regretful. They would make fantastic mid-rise projects. There are any number of downtown projects including this one on Rebecca that should be encouraged as is. This would have been an incredible 40 storey tower. I would like to see the Royal Connaught absorb some of MetroCity as I believe it may be the same developer? I could be wrong. The Connaught could be 60 storeys and I'd have no problem with it. The same applies to southeast corner of King and Bay. It could easily be 60 storeys. Or Hamilton City Centre. If Brad Lamb wants to build 50 or 60 storeys, go for it. Design and materials and integration with the street level go a long way in attracting people and business to your city. Anyway, thats my little concern over height limits.

Innsertnamehere · #**180** Posted **Sep 6, 2018, 12:05 AM**

according to the staff report, this is 97m BTW