Building and monument's lighting design in your city

[Acajack]

I have noticed that in Montreal and Quebec in general you do see more high-profile artists performing free shows compared to Ontario. And simply more free shows in general.

The arts do receive substantially more provincial government funding in Quebec compared to Ontario. So this is probably part of where that money goes.

I wonder if in Toronto and also other places in Canada there isn't an attitude that "if it's that good, people should be willing to pay for it", so why would we provide the show for free?

[TorontoDrew]

Who were these high profile artists performing free shows last year? I don't think Montreal see's more high profile acts then lets say Toronto or Vancouver do performing for at no cost to the public. Throw in events like The Much Music awards a weekend long free concert of A list singers and I'm sure the gap is none existent. BC and Ontario do do a pitiful job at funding the arts however where as Newfoundland spends by far the most nationwide.

Originally Posted by Acajack

I wonder if in Toronto and also other places in Canada there isn't an attitude that "if it's that good, people should be willing to pay for it", so why would we provide the show for free?

No need to wonder that's an absurd comment to make.

[OutOfTowner]

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

Who were these high profile artists performing free shows last year? I don't think Montreal see's more high profile acts then lets say Toronto or Vancouver do performing for at no cost to the public. Throw in events like The Much Music awards a weekend long free concert of A list singers and I'm sure the gap is none existent. BC and Ontario do do a pitiful job at funding the arts however where as Newfoundland spends by far the most nationwide.



No need to wonder that's an absurd comment to make.

The Much Music awards lol! A listers for 12 year olds. The only adults present are accompanying parents!

[OutOfTowner]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I wonder if in Toronto and also other places in Canada there isn't an attitude that "if it's that good, people should be willing to pay for it", so why would we provide the show for free?

You've touched on something interesting. I listened to an interview with a MTL artist who regularly attends shows in both cities. She has a catalog that she gives out free. When she first began going to Toronto, few people were taking catalogs and she was told to "start charging for them" because "nobody will think them worthwhile unless there's a monetary value attached." So she still gives them out free in MTL, charges 10$ in Toronto, and the catalogs now fly off the shelf in both cities.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

But Dundas Square and Place de Festivals perform the same functions - concerts, movies, festivals, demonstrations etc. They're both square(ish), they're both downtown and they both have fountains. That's where the similarities end.

Are you kidding me? You think Toronto's art scene amounts to corporate events hosted at Dundas Square?

Stop trying to make a comparison where there isn't one. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

[OutOfTowner]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Are you kidding me? You think Toronto's art scene amounts to corporate events hosted at Dundas Square?

Stop trying to make a comparison where there isn't one. You're just digging a deeper hole for yourself.

So you have difficulty with reading comprehension? Is English your 3rd language? Where did I say that?

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

You've touched on something interesting. I listened to an interview with a MTL artist who regularly attends shows in both cities. She has a catalog that she gives out free. When she first began going to Toronto, few people were taking catalogs and she was told to "start charging for them" because "nobody will think them worthwhile unless there's a monetary value attached." So she still gives them out free in MTL, charges 10$ in Toronto, and the catalogs now fly off the shelf in both cities.

C'mon. Torontonians like free things as much as anyone else. We will line up for hours for a free trinket. It's just one anecdote. Maybe she didn't advertise it properly as free. That's one thing about Torontonians. People only take it if it says free. I don't know how many times people have approached my door when I left something out on my lawn to confirm that I was giving it away.

[OutOfTowner]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

C'mon. Torontonians like free things as much as anyone else. We will line up for hours for a free trinket. It's just one anecdote. Maybe she didn't advertise it properly as free. That's one thing about Torontonians. People only take it if it says free. I don't know how many times people have approached my door when I left something out on my lawn to confirm that I was giving it away.

So your anecdote trumps her anecdote? Ok.

You will line up for absolutely anything and everything, that I can personally vouch for!

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

So you have difficulty with reading comprehension? Is English your 3rd language? Where did I say that?

Another personal shot. Ironic too.

Of course you implied it when you said Dundas Square and Place de Festivals perform the same function. They don't. They are open hard surface spaces with entirely different functions. Dundas Square is all about making as much money by leasing it to as many private corporate events as possible. Nathan Phillips Square is not the same either but, at least it's comparable to Place de Festivals.

You'll hit China soon.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

So your anecdote trumps her anecdote? Ok.

You will line up for absolutely anything and everything, that I can personally vouch for!

No. It's actual my experiences. It's your anecdote.

[OutOfTowner]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

No. It's actual my experiences. It's your anecdote.

Well then I suppose it wasn't her actual experience and nobody actually told her to start charging for the catalogs and your anecdotes aren't actually anecdotes and..

[OutOfTowner]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Another personal shot. Ironic too.

Of course you implied it when you said Dundas Square and Place de Festivals perform the same function. They don't. They are open hard surface spaces with entirely different functions. Dundas Square is all about making as much money by leasing it to as many private corporate events as possible. Nathan Phillips Square is not the same either but, at least it's comparable to Place de Festivals.

You'll hit China soon.

Oh dear, I should have issued a trigger warning! I'll refrain from replying to you until you've had time to emerge from your safe space.

[Acajack]

It would be helpful if there wasn't so much one-upmanship here and especially denial of the fact that Montreal and Quebec obviously do certain things fairly differently.

I still think of the famous discussion I had with Gerrard about full-frontal male nudity on the 6 o'clock news. "We do that in Toronto TOO!".

Yeah right.

Anyway, it detracts from the fact that it's actually pretty cool to have two cities with somewhat different approaches to things and different cultures in the same country, only 5 or 6 hours apart.

[Martin Mtl]

More testing of the Jacques Cartier bridges including the gigantic stone pillars.


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[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

Well then I suppose it wasn't her actual experience and nobody actually told her to start charging for the catalogs and your anecdotes aren't actually anecdotes and..

Yeah, these are my first hand experiences. You telling someone else's story makes it anecdotal evidence. Sorry, but given your tendency to turn everything into a competition and basic human nature makes it hard to believe. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it isn't a complete fabrication. It still doesn't make any sense the way you tell it. No one is going to $10 for something that is "advertised" as free anywhere. That is where I speculated it wasn't properly marked as free.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It would be helpful if there wasn't so much one-upmanship here and especially denial of the fact that Montreal and Quebec obviously do certain things fairly differently.

I still think of the famous discussion I had with Gerrard about full-frontal male nudity on the 6 o'clock news. "We do that in Toronto TOO!".

Yeah right.

Anyway, it detracts from the fact that it's actually pretty cool to have two cities with somewhat different approaches to things and different cultures in the same country, only 5 or 6 hours apart.

The only one doing any one upmanship is outoftowner because someone from Toronto many pages ago critiqued a particular lighting scheme. No one is denying communities are different otherwise what would be the point of travelling. Of course, you tend to lump community together by language and embellish the differences.

I don't know who has more free stuff and I don't really care. There's a ton of free stuff and plan free events ongoing in Toronto . There a whole whack of random spur of the moment stuff as well. On occasion a donation may be asked for or tickets are reserved in advance because demand far exceeds capacity of the facilities. I'm sure these situations are present everywhere.

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

Oh dear, I should have issued a trigger warning! I'll refrain from replying to you until you've had time to emerge from your safe space.

Pathetic. All you can do is throw insults.

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by OutOfTowner

The Much Music awards lol! A listers for 12 year olds. The only adults present are accompanying parents!

LOL, at people who think only their demographic counts. The absurd notions here that somehow Quebec is more artistic then the rest of the country is laughable. Yes BC and Ontario invest way less in the arts which is sad does not mean less arts happen in those two provinces. Both governments really heavily on corporate sponsorship to provide "FREE" for the people music and art. You are just as likely if not more to find a free concert in Toronto as you will in Montreal.

Again LOL for insulting something that doesn't fit into your demographic like somehow you matured from 10 to 25 overnight. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Here is a list of free concerts probablymore to your liking. It's strange I mean these are good bands, should we not be paying for them?
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http://www.afrofest.ca/\
http://www.toronto.com/events/indulg...pecaut-square/
http://indie88.com/tag/virgin-mobile-indie-fridays/
http://www.harbourfrontcentre.com/fe...aksandculture/

[TorontoDrew]

Originally Posted by Martin Mtl

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Are these pillars stone or concrete? They look a mess in kind of a scary good way.

[Martin Mtl]

/\ Mostly concrete pillars with some stones, mainly at the bottom.


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