Relevé Ottawa [400 Albert St] | 78/98m | 23/29f | U/C

[trhgr]

Update received yesterday:
Rezoning application D02-02-17-0053 [...]
The applicant, in response to comments received to date, has submitted revised plans and studies. These can be viewed on Ottawa.ca/devapps and are labelled with “2020-05-27”.
[...]Heights of all three towers have been revised (Elevations):

• Building A (23 storeys)
• Building B (29 storeys)
• Building C (35 storeys)

[J.OT13]

I'm good with this.We still get two new tallest downtown, even if by the slightest margin (116 meters vs PdV C's 112 meters), amazing architecture and variation in height.

Ultimately just losing 7 meters and 3 floors on the tallest from the original proposal.

[J.OT13]

Worth noting, PdV C is at a slightly higher elevation, so the height difference will be barely noticeable, if at all...

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by trhgr

Update received yesterday:
Rezoning application D02-02-17-0053 [...]
The applicant, in response to comments received to date, has submitted revised plans and studies. These can be viewed on Ottawa.ca/devapps and are labelled with “2020-05-27”.
[...]Heights of all three towers have been revised (Elevations):

• Building A (23 storeys)
• Building B (29 storeys)
• Building C (35 storeys)

Some other interesting notes:

• The design of the urban plaza on the northeast corner looks really cool... and a great place for skateboarding if they don't employ anti-skateboarding measures. It is also proposed to be transferred to the City... I think previously it was going to be a Privately Owned Public Space (POPS).
• They substantially reduced the commercial-retail space (5,442 m2 to 2,884 m2), mostly be removing the majority of the retail from the 2nd floor. Probably a good move in light of COVID. The transportation impact assessment still assumes a grocery store for the larger retail space in the podium of the two northeastern towers.
• The number of units have actually increased from 898 to 930.
• Looking at the floor plans, there are an exciting number of 2B and 3B units.

Overall, I'm still really into it (maybe even more-so now). It was pretty much assumed there would be some sort of elevation loss as it moved through the application process.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I'm good with this.We still get two new tallest downtown, even if by the slightest margin (116 meters vs PdV C's 112 meters), amazing architecture and variation in height.

Ultimately just losing 7 meters and 3 floors on the tallest from the original proposal.

My calculations were off. Tallest will be 118 meters, with the other two at 100 meters and 81.5 meters. With the height reduction, we get more distinctive roof lines. See page 40-41 for before and after massing.

http://webcast.ottawa.ca/plan/All_Im...02-17-0053.PDF

And the DevApp.

https://app01.ottawa.ca/postingplans...appId=__ALT3E6

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

Some other interesting notes:

• The design of the urban plaza on the northeast corner looks really cool... and a great place for skateboarding if they don't employ anti-skateboarding measures. It is also proposed to be transferred to the City... I think previously it was going to be a Privately Owned Public Space (POPS).
• They substantially reduced the commercial-retail space (5,442 m2 to 2,884 m2), mostly be removing the majority of the retail from the 2nd floor. Probably a good move in light of COVID. The transportation impact assessment still assumes a grocery store for the larger retail space in the podium of the two northeastern towers.
• The number of units have actually increased from 898 to 930.
• Looking at the floor plans, there are an exciting number of 2B and 3B units.

Overall, I'm still really into it (maybe even more-so now). It was pretty much assumed there would be some sort of elevation loss as it moved through the application process.

Urban park is spectacular!! We are sorely lacking this type of space in the downtown (or anywhere really). So they plan on building the park and transferring it to the City? Good deal.

I thought the City already owned that corner. It was supposed to be expropriated for the Confederation Line for an entrance a little further out. They ended up not building it, but I wasn't sure if the City had gone through the purchase or not. In any case, it's too bad it won't have a subway entrance.

I agree, removing retail was a good move for many reasons. More residential is always a plus. Considering Moon will have a grocery store across the street though, I'm surprised M&M is still looking into a grocery store for this development. A hardware store (Canadian Tire, second location for Preston Hardware) would better meet the needs of the community. Too bad there is just one good restaurant opportunity.

This could be the most transformational real-estate project for downtown in decades, but we should probably go in with a healthy dose of skepticism. This seems to good to be true.

[rocketphish]

Updated site and podium plans:






Updated renderings:

[Glenlivet Ave]

Yes Please!

I welcome anything that has some personality in the downtown core. It may spur other developers to get a little more adventurous with residential building design.

How about that urban park in the corner?

[Multi-modal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Urban park is spectacular!! We are sorely lacking this type of space in the downtown (or anywhere really). So they plan on building the park and transferring it to the City? Good deal.

That's what the Planning Rationale says:

"The urban park has increased in size to 402 m2.

• The park is undergoing final with City Parks staff subject to final public meetings.
• The stratified park space will become a City owned and operated park"

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I thought the City already owned that corner. It was supposed to be expropriated for the Confederation Line for an entrance a little further out. They ended up not building it, but I wasn't sure if the City had gone through the purchase or not. In any case, it's too bad it won't have a subway entrance.

O ya? I mean of course the City has an entrance on the southwest corner of Lyon & Queen, but I didn't know they were also planning an entrance on the southwest corner of Lyon & Albert. Someone on this forum always claimed a construction worker at Lyon Station told him they had built a stub-tunnel to connect to a future LRT one-block south. I always found this to be a bit of a tall-tale, but maybe the construction worker was confused and they built a stub-tunnel to connect to a future entrance further south.

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I agree, removing retail was a good move for many reasons. More residential is always a plus. Considering Moon will have a grocery store across the street though, I'm surprised M&M is still looking into a grocery store for this development. A hardware store (Canadian Tire, second location for Preston Hardware) would better meet the needs of the community. Too bad there is just one good restaurant opportunity.

Keep in mind the only document the mention of a grocery store is in the transportation impact assessment where it says:

"As the tenants for these retail pads have not been confirmed, for the purposed of this study the Tower A/B retail store is assumed to be a grocery store and the retail land use in Tower C is assumed to be generic shopping centre"

To me the Tower A/B space doesn't quite seem right for a grocery store. I think it will end up being something else, maybe even broken up into a couple smaller units.

[J.OT13]

Here's an accidental rendering released by RTG early on.


http://www.leaderpost.com/news/ottaw...144/story.html

[Harley613]

This really makes my day. I thought it was going to end up being another stump in stumpland. Although it will be a little scaled down from the original proposal its still going to be kickass if built as planned. Ottawa needs this.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

That's what the Planning Rationale says:

"The urban park has increased in size to 402 m2.

• The park is undergoing final with City Parks staff subject to final public meetings.
• The stratified park space will become a City owned and operated park"

That almost makes it sound like a done deal. It gives me a little more confidence.

Originally Posted by Multi-modal

Keep in mind the only document the mention of a grocery store is in the transportation impact assessment where it says:

"As the tenants for these retail pads have not been confirmed, for the purposed of this study the Tower A/B retail store is assumed to be a grocery store and the retail land use in Tower C is assumed to be generic shopping centre"

To me the Tower A/B space doesn't quite seem right for a grocery store. I think it will end up being something else, maybe even broken up into a couple smaller units.

OK, so it's just for the purpose of completing the application. Hardware store would still be my #1 choice (urban format Canadian Tire, Home Hardware or second location for Preston Hardware). I'm sure there are a lot of other holes in the area that I'm not thinking of.

The second floor of Tower A/B and the ground floor Tower C space would be perfect for restaurants with terraces.

[OTSkyline]

This proposal looks really nice, my favorite in the CBD/downtown for sure. Wish it was taller but given regulations I'm just happy it wasn't reduced any further to 25/27 stories... And yes, the corner plaza will be a nice addition.

This puts Claridge Moon to shame IMO.

[kevinbottawa]

Originally Posted by OTSkyline

This proposal looks really nice, my favorite in the CBD/downtown for sure. Wish it was taller but given regulations I'm just happy it wasn't reduced any further to 25/27 stories... And yes, the corner plaza will be a nice addition.

This puts Claridge Moon to shame IMO.

We need more out of town developers to build in Ottawa. Most of the interesting designs that were built already or are on the way are from Toronto or Montreal developers (Lamb, Dream, Mizrahi, Broccolini, Trinity, Main + Main).

[UrbOttawa]

I was curious about how this would look from different views so I modelled it up and added it to google earth. Heights and footprints are fairly accurate. It's quite prominent from a lot of different views which is great to see, the claridge buildings fortunately don't obscure it too much.













And just for fun with the previous massing of trinity bayview

[rocketphish]

Originally Posted by UrbOttawa

I was curious about how this would look from different views so I modelled it up and added it to google earth. Heights and footprints are fairly accurate. It's quite prominent from a lot of different views which is great to see, the claridge buildings fortunately don't obscure it too much.

Nice job!

[Harley613]

Wow, super cool! I probably spent 30 minutes on earth and maps today spinning around the site trying to figure out how it would look and then this! Amazing!

[kevinbottawa]

I imagine if this gets built the planned building heights for the technical high school will change. It would be nice to see a few more towers in there in the 35-40 storey range.

[Harley613]

Originally Posted by kevinbottawa

I imagine if this gets built the planned building heights for the technical high school will change. It would be nice to see a few more towers in there in the 35-40 storey range.

Definitely. It would be a logical rise in the CBD skyline according to view plane restrictions and the taller buildings that sit on lower ground on Lebreton.

[J.OT13]

Thanks for taking the time UrbOttawa. These towers will have a huge impact on the traditional skyline, one we haven't seen in close to 30 years.