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[DCReid]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

Thats probably still decades away. And when it does happen it wont be decked over as much as it will be torn down and either built into the ground floors of a new mega-development or relocated with Sunnyside Yard being the most obvious and likely location.

That's makes sense but unfortunately, it's not part of the plan now.
https://sunnysideyard.nyc/

[Busy Bee]

^That "plan" is mostly meaningless as they are doing virtually nothing to advance it.

[Mulan]

Per Mackensen

[Mulan]

Per Mackensen

The Twin Towers of the Mackensen Tower complex with a projected height of 1900 feet.

https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/whe...raper/16859/63

[NYguy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/15/n...attan.amp.html

Related Companies and Wynn to Bid for New Casino in Midtown Manhattan
The companies want to put the casino on the western half of Hudson Yards, which remains undeveloped.


By Dana Rubinstein, Nicole Hong and Matthew Haag
Sept. 15, 2022

The bid by Related Companies, the developer of Hudson Yards, and Wynn Resorts represents the first publicly announced bid for one of three new casino licenses open to city developers.

The casino would be situated next to the Javits Center on the still-undeveloped western portion of the Hudson Yards, the second half of the largest mixed-use private real estate development in American history.

The only casino-like option currently in the five boroughs is the Resorts World facility at the Aqueduct Racetrack in Queens, which has video slot machines but no table games. Last year, Resorts World had the most gambling revenue of any casino property outside Nevada.

It will likely be several months before the casino sites are announced. The state’s gambling commission has until October to create a board that will manage the application process, which is supposed to begin within 90 days of its formation.

Steven Cohen, the owner of the New York Mets, has also been in talks with Hard Rock to develop a casino near Citi Field, the team’s stadium, according to someone familiar with the discussions.

In order for the Related-Wynn proposal to proceed, it would have to win approval from a yet-to-be-formed, six-person community advisory committee. Mayor Eric Adams will have a representative on the committee, as will the governor, the local City Council member, the borough president, the local Assembly member and the local state senator.

….. While Manhattan has long been considered one of the last, best untapped gambling markets in the country, any casino bidder will likely have to overcome significant resistance.

“Related and Wynn have a steep hill to climb to convince local residents that a casino in Hudson Yards is in their best interests,” said Brad Hoylman, the state senator whose district includes Hudson Yards.

Other casino and real estate companies are eyeing sites throughout the city. Thor Equities, a real estate firm, has expressed interest in building a casino on Coney Island in Brooklyn. Earlier this year, Marc Holliday, the chief executive of SL Green Realty, a major office developer, said in an earnings call that Times Square would be the best location for a casino.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-hudson-yards

Related Pursues Giant Casino Complex at Manhattan's Hudson Yards
Developer teams up with Wynn Resorts for a proposal to build an entertainment and gaming resort in the Western Yards part of New York.


ByNatalie Wong
September 15, 2022

The firm, founded by billionaire Stephen Ross, is partnering with Wynn Resorts Ltd. to pursue a casino license on the Western Yards, according to a statement Thursday. The plan is to build an entertainment and gaming resort along New York’s Hudson River.

While Related has previously expressed interest in the possibility of being involved in a casino development, the partnership with Wynn marks an official step in its pursuit of a license. The proposal would situate a casino in the Western Yards, located next to the Javits Center, the massive convention center that recently went through a $1.5 billion expansion.

“The Western Yards provides the ideal site for a resort that will reinvigorate our tourism economy and provide billions in tax revenues for the city and state,” Jeff Blau, Related’s chief executive officer, said in the statement. He described Related's partnering with Wynn as a “perfect pair.”

The Western Yard is the second phase of Related and Oxford Properties’ Hudson Yards project, occupying the area from 11th to 12th avenues between West 30th and West 33rd streets. Related had initially planned to build residential buildings, offices and a school at the site.

“Siting a casino in Manhattan will help cement our place as the world's pre-eminent tourism destination,” said Jessica Walker, Manhattan Chamber of Commerce’s CEO. “Manhattan’s transportation infrastructure, cultural attractions and convention facilities at Javits present an unparalleled opportunity to maximize gaming revenue for the city and state.”

[Sky88]

Well the Hudson Yards would be the best place for a casino. In addition to the casino there would also be room for a new MSG. The whole area from the Empire Station District to the new PA Bus Terminal could benefit from this new project. Not only that but projects like 360 10th Avenue and Affirmation Tower could also benefit.

[mrnyc]

yeah if they throw a new msg in the western hudson yards mix i would be all in.

if they want a giant casino, then what else could they add if not a new msg? residential as previously planned? i wouldn’t want to live next to monaco casino if it were even possible, much less an american mega casino.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

yeah if they throw a new msg in the western hudson yards mix i would be all in.

if they want a giant casino, then what else could they add if not a new msg? residential as previously planned? i wouldn’t want to live next to monaco casino if it were even possible, much less an american mega casino.

At one time, wasn't Hudson Yards was supposed to have a new Jets stadium? I think it was for a planned NYC Olympic bid that was never made.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

At one time, wasn't Hudson Yards was supposed to have a new Jets stadium? I think it was for a planned NYC Olympic bid that was never made.

Yes, the original zoning included a stadium on the western half. The JETS decided it was too costly, considering the Giants offer to share costs on a new stadium in the Meadowlands.

Related has said it previously approached MSG about a potential move there, something that would be more of a longshot than a casino. Related always said the western railyards (mostly condo) is what made the entire development worthwhile. Not shocking they would jump at the chance for a casino. But the western rails also is where the new school would go, and I don’t see anyone approving a casino there.

But the westside is one of 2 locations in the city (the other being Coney Island), where a casino makes the most sense. I think it should be on the block south of the Javits. That sit is large enough. But its one of 2 sites Hochul is eyeing for affordable housing.

[Sky88]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

yeah if they throw a new msg in the western hudson yards mix i would be all in.

if they want a giant casino, then what else could they add if not a new msg? residential as previously planned? i wouldn’t want to live next to monaco casino if it were even possible, much less an american mega casino.

I don't think we're going to have a mega casino on Hudson Yards. A possible casino may occupy a part of the site. Look at the proposals for a casino made in Chicago.

[NYguy]

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/manhattan/po...itical-hurdles

Proposed casino at Hudson Yards would face political hurdles


By Bobby Cuza Manhattan
Sep. 16, 2022

The proposal to build a casino at the Hudson Yards development on Manhattan’s west side has its advantages.

There’s plenty of room to build it on the currently undeveloped western portion of the site. The developer, chaired by billionaire Stephen Ross, has significant clout.

The hard part could be to win over local elected officials.

But bidders must win approval from four of the six members of a community advisory committee. That committee will comprise representatives of the mayor, governor and local elected officials.

With Hudson Yards, that would include Assemblyman Richard Gottfried, who said in an interview Friday, “I don’t think a casino belongs in Manhattan.”

Gottfried is retiring at the end of the year, so any decision-making would likely fall to his successor. But others also have concerns.

In particular, they note Related’s prior commitments on the site.

“We were promised years ago when that project first launched a school, affordable housing, open space,” Hoylman said. “So we’re not willing to relinquish any of that.”

A Related spokesman said those elements would still be included in the development, even if the casino goes forward.

Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine, who would also have a say on the advisory committee, is keeping an open mind.

“I think being located next to Javits is a potential benefit, in that this could support trade shows at Javits,” he said.

Mayor Eric Adams did not weigh in on the Hudson Yards proposal this week, but a spokesman said, “The gaming commission will decide on where these casinos will be located, but we are hoping two of the three downstate casinos will be placed in New York City.”

The Hudson Yards casino would also have to go through the city’s arduous land-use process — another layer of approvals that would test the political influence of Ross, a major donor to Gov. Kathy Hochul and others.

“This needs to be a process that’s not influenced by political considerations,” Levine said. “This needs to be a process in which we weigh a proposal on the merits.”

[NYguy]

It’ll probably be a few months before we see Related’s actual proposal. But I’m guessing the casino would go on the one commercial site, just accross from 35 Hudson.

The state should have put the casino bid on the block just south of the Javits. They’re gonna have to issue an RFP for that site anyway.

[chris08876]

Maybe a casino wouldn't be a bad idea for the area. Just in terms of foot traffic and also business for say the mall along with increasing the visible foot traffic in the area. The Vessel has been wildly successful and the extension of the High Line which have helped to turn HY into a vibrant destination. Yes its mostly residential but I think so long as there's an adequate police presence, should keep the area sane if a Casino were to rise. They can still make it work with the residential. Always good for the local economy. If it draws more visitors and folks to the area, local businesses will reap the benefits.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by NYguy

It’ll probably be a few months before we see Related’s actual proposal. But I’m guessing the casino would go on the one commercial site, just accross from 35 Hudson.

The state should have put the casino bid on the block just south of the Javits. They’re gonna have to issue an RFP for that site anyway.

Since Javits is apparently not going anywhere, why not put the casino on top of it?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Since Javits is apparently not going anywhere, why not put the casino on top of it?

The state runs the Javits Center. Putting it near the Javits is a good idea. The west side has plenty of available lots to build on, including the railyards, and the block immediately south of the Javits. Any future expansion of the Javits (it recently underwent one) should be for the Javits itself.

But I know Times Square doesn’t need a casino. Neither does Herald Square. Queens will likely get one at Resorts World. It would have been interesting to see something proposed for LIC. Coney Island could use one. If it’s going to be in Manhattan, the west side is the place. It could be designed in whatever gimmicky fashion they like. We’ll eventually see the proposals.

[NYguy]

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/ce...-moves-forward

Casino expansion for New York City area moves forward


By Nick Reisman
Oct. 03, 2022

New York gambling regulators on Monday named officials to a board to oversee siting for casinos in the New York City metropolitan area as the state seeks to expand commercial gaming halls to a lucrative market beyond upstate communities.

The Gaming Commission named former New York City Housing Commissioner Vicki Been, New York Women's Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Quenia Abreau and former Hofstra University President Stuart Rabinowitz.

Officials are expected to issue requests for proposals to win a license for opening and operating up to three casinos in the region. Licenses are not exepcted to be issued until 2023.

https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-casin...d-gets-members

NYC casino process moves ahead as key siting board gets members


By Jon Campbell
Published Oct 3, 2022

A business leader, a former university president and a former New York City deputy mayor will oversee the bidding process for New York’s three remaining casino licenses, which are expected to be awarded in New York City and the surrounding area.

The state Gaming Commission on Monday unanimously approved the first three members of the Gaming Facility Location Board, a powerful five-member panel that will analyze any proposals for the potentially lucrative casino licenses and choose the three that will ultimately move on for final approval. It remains unclear when the commission will appoint the last two members.

The three members are:

-Quenia Abreu, president and CEO of the New York Women’s Chamber of Commerce;

-Vicki Been, a New York University law professor, former New York City deputy mayor and commissioner of the New York City Department of Housing Preservation and Development; and

-Stuart Rabinowitz, former president of Hofstra University.

The appointments mark the latest milestone in the process for awarding casino licenses in New York City, each of which will require the winner to pay a licensing fee of at least $500 million. By law, the facility board now has 90 days to begin formally soliciting proposals from casino developers.

week to approve at least a majority of what will ultimately be a powerful, five-person board, which will be tasked with awarding the state’s final three private casino licenses — all of which are expected to be awarded in New York City and the surrounding area.

In 2013, New York voters approved a constitutional amendment allowing up to seven private casinos statewide — complete with poker, Blackjack and other table games. The first four were limited to areas well north of the city, with a prior iteration of the board selecting proposals that were ultimately built in the Catskills, Schenectady, Seneca County and — after a significant push from local leaders after it was initially shut out — the Southern Tier.

[NYguy]

Details of the specific casino proposals likely won't come out until after New Year's....







Since Related and Wynn will be teaming up for a proposal here, a look at some of Wynn's insights into what the proposal should entail, in their response to the earlier request for ideas from the Gaming Commission.....

[Zapatan]

A Related spokesman said those elements would still be included in the development, even if the casino goes forward.

That's good, I hope we still get a few very tall skyscrapers out of this, even if a casino happens.

[NYguy]

^ No reason the casino itself couldn't be tall. This will all have a mixed-use component (casino/hotel/resort). My question now is who gets to design it. Gehry was on tap for the commercial component. A Gehry designed casino would be spectacular, no doubt. But who knows.

[colemonkee]

The High Line Casino!!! It names itself!!!

From a design perspective, modern casinos - not counting the more ornate, stately buildings from Europe which are beautiful on the outside - are closer to convention centers in their layout; large, single-floor buildings with high ceilings, very wide column spans (which usually prevent additional floors above, when not supported by tower core + columns), and intentionally blank walls along the perimeter. It's usually the other uses in a casino complex - hotel tower, retail, grand entrances - that give a casino architectural interest from the exterior. This site is large, but not that large when it comes to modern casinos (those built in the last 25 years). If this is where they choose to place it, would expect the casino to take up the eastern 3/5 of the site, with a tower (or two) framing a grand entrance over the curve of the High Line. That would essentially turn it's back to the city - with additional, slightly less grand casino entrances on the east, north, and south - but would be the most creative use of the site constraints for a casino. But you would have mostly blank street walls for the remainder of the east, north, and south faces.